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9-22-2010 @ 9:08PM
"this addon manages to obtain the correct button and simulates a click on it."I have a feeling people are going to get banned for this. Blizz always says they want a physical click so that people don't afk, like this addon enables.
9-22-2010 @ 9:58PM
Yeah, this really looks like an epic way to look to a GM exactly like you're using glider.Hopefully blizzard breaks it, but hopefully no one cool soaks a ban for using it.
9-22-2010 @ 10:12PM
Simulating clicks? How can anyone think this operates within the rules? Why is wowinsider advertising such an obviously illegal addon? I'm just a little shocked. Editorial control, please!
9-22-2010 @ 10:29PM
I look forward to a slew of suspensions and bans with girlish glee.
9-22-2010 @ 10:32PM
"now that some people use it, anyone who doesn't use it is basically allowing himself to be priced out of the market."Or, instead of using it, you can petition GM's and email the Blizzard hack report email to try to get them to break such an obviously unfair addon. The only reason it's not broken yet is because not a lot of people use it and it doesn't impact a lot of people.Speeding on the interstate because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it any less illegal. Using this addon because everyone else is using it doesn't make it any less wrong or unfair. This addon pretty much only works for Glyphs since they're the only things that are cheap enough and stack well to make its use feasible. If you are up against someone using it, find another market until Blizzard breaks it. One guy robbing banks and not going to jail doesn't make it okay for you to stop working and rob banks too.
9-22-2010 @ 10:38PM
I asked on the Customer Service forums, and it actually looks like the addon is "ok".http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26859119513&sid=1Which is unfortunate, because this addon is pretty disgusting.
9-22-2010 @ 10:41PM
@Hih:Looks like they may be hedging their bets. Addon name has been edited out of the OP and the Blue post now says:"Searching the Auction House for a deal is fine, using that information to undercut others is as well. What you must always be mindful of is... does what you are using automate actions? If it is able to actually place the sales for you without you actively participating, yes, avoid using it."
9-22-2010 @ 11:34PM
that gm said he's not familiar with the addon. this addon allows you to do multiple things with one button spread out over time - the way blizzard has set up macros makes this impossible; why would you think they would allow an addon to do the same thing?also, what happens when a hundred people on your server have this? or five hundred? then everyone gets undercut til the last person's bottom threshold is met. this would destroy markets due to people who have excess gold via buying it illegally, people who set their threshold lower than mat costs, and people who just want to be dicks to screw everyone else. shame on you wow.com for advertising this addon like it's a good tool.
9-22-2010 @ 11:48PM
Hih:I saw that post as well. What the Blue actually said was "If it is able to actually place the sales for you without you actively participating, yes, avoid using it." It sounds like this addon does just that. I too am very disappointed to see this being recommended on this site.
9-23-2010 @ 12:06AM
While I agree that this seems sketchy, further down the thread a blue says that if they don't like it, they'll break it.I think, the thing that differentiates this from a bot is that this is LOA instead of being an outside program. I think Blizzard handles these situations differently.
9-23-2010 @ 12:26AM
Jaya, I'm glad to see this addon featured. AVR didn't get broken by Blizzard until it was featured on MMO-Champ and became popular. Exposing this addon is the best way to get it broken the fastest.
9-23-2010 @ 12:36AM
@ toggle just abovewhile they say that they'll break it if they want to, that will not help anyone who gets a ban for happily posting auctions ever 10 seconds while a GM psts them to ask about reports that they are botting and doesn't get a reply. skeeeeetchy.
9-23-2010 @ 4:54AM
I suppose the text was a bit vague in the past. Basically it's nothing different from a /click command in a macro, except that it still won't allow secure code to be ran (so it remains completely legal). I changed this part out of the text to prevent confusion.
9-23-2010 @ 5:20AM
@Oriflame "Yeah, this really looks like an epic way to look to a GM exactly like you're using glider." Glider sends a keypress to WoW through an external application, simulating a hardware event. Older versions did a /script PostButton:Click() (note that won't work, just using "PostButton" as an example) which Blizzard should be able to recognize over an actual keypress. The last version quit using this functionality and just calls the direct function of the Quick Auctions addon, similar to how QA calls the "PostAuction" (again, just pulling names from a void) function of the WoW API.@Skrotus "Simulating clicks? How can anyone think this operates within the rules? Why is wowinsider advertising such an obviously illegal addon? I'm just a little shocked. Editorial control, please!"Again, sorry for the confusing text. It merely activates the keypress event bound to the button, it doesn't really click it but it would give the exact same results.@Sleutel "I look forward to a slew of suspensions and bans with girlish glee."I have yet to see any record of bans occuring for using such addons. It's a know fact addons used to speak cross-faction are illegal and WILL get you banned, but I have yet to find a single record of the use of any other addons resulting in a ban.@Heilig "Or, instead of using it, you can petition GM's and email the Blizzard hack report email to try to get them to break such an obviously unfair addon. The only reason it's not broken yet is because not a lot of people use it and it doesn't impact a lot of people."Precisely. I feel like Basil's post is here not to encourage the use, but to get the addon functionality disabled. This is one of my wishes too, I would much prefer an AH where I'd have to post no more than once every 4 hours (preferably even longer) rather than have to keep my other account logged in all day long but my realm has been plagued with campers doing similar activity and if I find it impossible to beat them (and Blizzard doesn't want to investigate it), then I'll join them as well as I could without risky my account.@Hih, thanks for verifying it again, and again. ;)Again, Blizzard can just set a flag to shut this specific addon down and it only requires a server restart to take effect. To disable similar functionality within other addons would require them to change a similar flag, but that would probably require a tiny patch (similar to AVR).
9-23-2010 @ 7:06AM
When I post auctions, I search the current auctions, check the price differences, the amount of stacks currently posted, consider the demand, the time of the day and more. With other words, I put a lot of thoughts into how I undercut other sellers and try to uphold a healthy economy.So this guy has undercut drastically and I avoid undercutting further because that's just idiotic. You either buyout his wares and re-sell them at the intended price or just let it sell out on its own, knowing your items will be next in the line. Now this add-on comes into play and puts 20-30 new items at an even lower price because the auctioneer didn't actually scan the auction house himself but just "automated the process" to "save time" "playing a game".I'm sorry, but if the auction house doesn't interest you, don't try to make shortcuts by making some robot do your auctioning for you. You're ruining it for the rest of us.
9-23-2010 @ 11:39AM
In reply to Zerotorescue,I'm no addon expert, and i certainly believe you that this adheres to the current letter of the law and could be differentiated from something like glider with some investigation, I don't think it makes it much less risky to use.GMs are great folks I'm sure, but they are sure far from consistent, and they have a lot of discretion in how they administer their duties. If you look like you're botting (and with this addon, you certainly will), you risk getting banned for botting. Looks like a bot, smells like a bot, gets banned like a bot... might not be a bot technically, but that will not help with the ban most likely.
9-23-2010 @ 1:30PM
Blizzard can ban us for this when they start banning the Chinese gold farmers. How about that?
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