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9-22-2010 @ 7:13PM
So, very much old-school 'murder everyone' despot then ?
9-22-2010 @ 10:55PM
Not really. To the orcs, in fact, he was a refreshing change FROM despotism. Blackhand was far far more despotic to his fellow Horde.Doomhammer basically did not care about who he killed outside of the Horde. If you were unfortunate enough not to be his ally, you were his enemy, and as we saw with the draenei he was very comfortable with killing anyone who he didn't consider his responsibility.
9-23-2010 @ 2:17AM
Heh, so anyone criticising the Horde in this article gets downvoted ?
9-23-2010 @ 2:47AM
No, just people who didn't pay attention to the article.
9-23-2010 @ 7:29AM
Righto boss, I shall endavour to analyse each article with a big 'ol magnifying glass. Who knows I might even find something positive to say about a bunch of orcs trying to kill two worlds.
9-23-2010 @ 7:54AM
Yeah, reading the article isn't necessary to post a good comment. Just as long as you get in 'FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111'
9-23-2010 @ 7:57AM
Oh yeah, /sarcasm.
9-23-2010 @ 8:50AM
Very good Lore topic.However, although I like the orcs as a race and they have one of the best leaders in the game, It makes me feel that the orc have a very basic background unlike the other races.
9-23-2010 @ 2:40PM
They've retconned him to be some kind of tragic hero, but you're pretty much right.He killed his way to power, killed the Shadow Council and gained control after the First War. Rather then bring his people through the Dark Portal and begin colonizing, while setting up a defense line to hold the conquered land (apparently everything south of Arathi on the map, except Dun Morogh) he instead decided "Some people lived? Let's go charge blindly after them, and attack any other Races we come across! Gul'Dan, wanna come betray us again?"
9-23-2010 @ 3:36PM
To be fair to Hurbster, Orgrim Doomhammer does fall into the group of lore characters that aren't easily put in the "Good Guy" or "Bad Guy" list. This doesn't mean he didn't read the article. Pretend it's not Orgrim Doomhammer for a minute... pretend it's a news article about real life events you're reading. Try filling in "George W. Bush" everywhere you see Doomhammer's name. Some lore characters (and I'm talking about the Mary Sues here... that's a whole other issue) are characters who do their best to do what's good, regardless of what's "right". Others are obviously villans, and even being sympathetic about how they ended up that way doesn't change it. And some fall in between. Not just because of one faction seeing their actions in a different light than the other faction does, but because sometimes basically good people do really horrible things. Sometimes people have a serious change of heart and go from good guy to villian, or villian to good guy.In the case of Orgrim Doomhammer, I struggle to remind myself that his actions are part of the Old Horde. That's not the Horde I signed on with. That's not how Thrall does things. It's a bit like knowing how wrong and harmful racism is, but then having to accept that some very loving little old lady still has some very misguided ideas about other people because of the time she lived most of her life in, and how that society shaped her. And having to accept that it makes her a good person with some very sad views about things, not a horrible person.The Horde has no more right to whitewash their history than the Alliance does to keep looking at the Horde as nothing but animals and monsters. In the classic sense, each clan chieftain is a despot within his clan. It's really only in the more modern, pejorative sense than Doomhammer freed them from despotism. And only murdering the other side's people with little to no thought about the morality of such actions isn't really less bad than murdering everyone. Doomhammer's history isn't pretty. Neither is most anyone else's. Learn to live with it.
9-23-2010 @ 3:40PM
I meant I was NOT talking about Mary Sues. Still WTB edit button.
9-24-2010 @ 9:52AM
Alliance fanboyism much?I bet all your toons are human Paladins.
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