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9-23-2010 @ 8:02AM
@arawn.chernobog:"@Alliance members going "Horde is evhul and genocidal"- Alliance Interment Camps (Orc Slaves yay!);"I take issue with most of your points to greater or lesser extent, but I am going to call you out on this one, because frankly, I am sick and tired of this point being repeated essentially verbatim when it is utterly and completely wrong.Simply put: no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.Let's condense the storyline of the first two warcraft games a bit:There's a bunch of medieval nations. One day, without warning, a giant mob of aliens opens up a portal and attacks this group of nations. They don't negotiate. They don't discriminate between man, woman, and child. They kill everything. They summon unholy demonic creatures and grisly specters of death to kill everything in their path. Everything that can be learned about them suggest that their entire society is built for war and destruction.For the better part of a decade this medieval bunch struggles to throw these psychotic, raving savages off their planet. They fail. They cut off the source by closing the portal, but they're left with hundreds, or thousands of these creatures held prisoner. What's more, without the demonic bloodlust they'd been sustained by, these creatures just seem to drop like drug addicts in a downer state.So what do these dark ages - equivalent nations do with these things?-Kill em all and let God sort em out? No.-Kill some and try to rehabilitate the rest? No.-Turn them loose somewhere, leaving them to rot in the grip of their withdrawl - and possibly suffer another war years down the road if they rally? No.Sure, some members of the Alliance thought it would be morally correct to kill the orcs, but they were shouted down.Instead, the Alliance went through the trials and tribulations of building keeps and camps to house the orcs, giving them food and shelter, and guess what? The most the orcs did was sit around or perform some menial labor, because the Alliance didn't know what else to do with them!The only orc - the ONLY orc - who can really said to have been a slave was Thrall, and he was a completely seperate and special case - all the rest were prisoners.Saying that the orcs were slaves to the Alliance is a complete distortion.Painting the internment camps as an -EVIL- deed by the Alliance is outright lunacy.The only reason the orcs are still around today is because Terenas Menethil stood up to his fellow leaders who were howling for blood and said, "no. We will not sink to that level. We will not exterminate an entire race of people. We are better than that. We will do the right thing and help those in need of it."Of course, most orcs nowadays seem to conveniently forget this fact, running around screaming "VICTORY OR DEATH!" all the while never seeming to realize that if the Alliance had followed their own code of honor, their entire society have been twenty years dead now - dead at the hands of the victorious Alliance.
9-23-2010 @ 10:33AM
"The only reason the orcs are still around today is because Terenas Menethil stood up to his fellow leaders who were howling for blood and said, 'no. We will not sink to that level. We will not exterminate an entire race of people. We are better than that.'"And people wonder why I insist he was the greatest leader our generation of heroes ever had.
9-23-2010 @ 6:29PM
I'm glad you adressed these already. I'm commenting to late to do any good.It helps at this point that even Mr. Cranky-pants-Varian argued to not slaughter the Orcs like Cattle. He was still a very young man at this point and the death of his father and the fall of his city would have been pretty fresh still. I really don't like the guy but, if we are talking about nuances, I'd like to point out an Alliance leader that has shown some. I also doubt VERY much that he'd advocate the slaugter of non-combatant horde members, even if he'd kinda like to. Saying again - I don't like him, not even a little. :)
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