i second that emotion

If warlocks are stupid, mages are morons.

Warlocks have 3 viable CCs (the new Fear glyph, Banish, and Seduce)
Mages have... 1 (Polymorph)

Not only that, but Warlocks can CC 3 mobs at once AND still put out competitive DPS. How can a pitiful wretch of a mage compete with only 1 CC? Answer: He can't.

/point
/laugh

/sees Natsumi
/turns Natsumi into a sheep and sets his/her succubus on fire
/proceeds to do the same to Natsumi
/gently pats Natsumi's smoldering body
/cackles maniacally

Improved Cone of Cold, Frost Nova, Water Elemental freeze and Deep freeze all say hi.

unfortunately the succubus turned out to be a felhunter and completely devoured the mage while the lock was resting in sheep.




regardless, locks have more and better cc. and cc 3 targets at the same time and still dps like nothing happened? yum!

@Natsumi

Fear - pulls more mobs (20 sec for Rank 3)
Banish - only works on Demons and Elementals (30 sec for Rank 2)
Seduce - must have a specific demon out to use and only works against humanoids (15 sec)

Polymorph - graphically changes the target and renders them a mindless warlo-, I mean, sheep. Works only on humanoids, beasts, and critters. (50 sec for Rank 4)

Thanks, but no thanks. As both a tank and healer, I'll take the mages CC. It's more noticeable, lasts longer, and doesn't risk pulling more mobs.

@Caligulla

The thing is, that for every Wrath kiddie who whines about the game being to hard and quits, we have users from two other incarnations of WoW -- classic and TBC -- who quit out of boredom that Wrath was too easy or because they were bored with the game. I'm willing to bet a lot of them will come back just to try Cataclysm... and when they see that the game has returned to a form they actually find fun and challenging they'll stick around.

So while yes, they'll undoubtedly lose players over this change, it all comes down to: Are these the kind of players we really want in our game anyway? I know I sure as heck don't. At the same time, Blizzard is a company out to make money, and they wouldn't be making this change if they didn't think it would positively effect their bottom line.

@Duffman

Glyph of Fear causes the target to tremble in fear instead of fleeing in fear, so come Cataclysm Fear is reliable form of crowd control.
Plus in instances like Vortex Pinnacle you'll need either Banish or Bind Elemental because it's flooded with elementals.

First, I have a Mage, I love my Mage, in ways that are probably unhealthy. But here's the thing, if we're talking crowd control...


Blind
Cheap Shot
Dismantle
Distract
Garrote
Kick
Kidney Shot
Sap

And you can even use the ones that require stealth every minute give or take if you're Sub.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Shadow_Dance

So just saying, don't forget to bring your friendly neighborhood Rogue.

You're gonna need them.

"Fire is the clear favorite for now, with frost close behind and arcane bringing up the rear."

At last. No more being asked to cast slow or hear the astonishment when you aren't specced arcane. No more feeling you're the last fire mage on your realm or being replaced by one of our arcane brethren.

"I am the god of hell fire and I bring you:

Fire, I'll take you to burn.
Fire, I'll take you to learn.
I'll see you burn!
You fought hard and you saved and learned
but all of it's going to burn." - Arthur Brown

@ the idiots that are saying Fear brings more mobs

You obviously havn't seen the new Glyph of Fear, it makes mobs COWER IN PLACE. Thanks for playing. In addition, Fear, Seduce, and Banish all gave a graphical indication when used. If you can't pick out the mobs that have Floating hearts or Skulls over them you need to get your eyes (or screen resolution) checked.

Fear affects all the creature types that Polymorph does, in addition to elementals, dragonkin, and Demons, making it superior
Banish does indeed only affect Elementals and Demons, but did you stop and think about how many Elementals are in the new dungeons/heroics?
Seduce does indeed only affect Humanoids, so groups with 2 Humanoids that need to be CCd can be handled by 1 warlock, The Succubus also does good damage so having her out doesn't drop your DPS all that much (Destro Locks lose more than the other 2 but winning is more important than personal DPS).

Frost Nova, Cone of Cold, your Water Elemental's Frost Nova, and Deep Freeze are not CCs, they are snares, slows, or stuns. You also have to be Frost, so they are useless to Fire and Arcane. you still can't polymorph an Elemental.
Kick, cheap shot, kidney shot, dismantle, and garrote are not CCs. Blind is okay as a CC, but cannot be reapplied immediately. Sap affects Humanoids, Demons, Dragonkin, and Beasts, still inferior to Fear for targets, lasts longer, cannot be reapplied.

@thatguy

You can't cast Polymorph if you are Seduced, thanks for playing, you still lose. Imp out? He dispels the Polymorph. Fel Hunter? He spell locks you, eats your buffs, and makes you cry. Fel Guard? Seriously, did you think you could stop him? Voidwalker? lol, you might have a chance, but I haven't used a VW since Vanilla. You're out classes, out CCd, and even if you COULD kill me, you'd still die from the DoTs. Even in death I claim victory.

/cackle

You know....I just realized this but... in my original post, you can change all the "/" with my handle(with the exception of the "/" in between "his" and "her")

/chuckles

The warlocks nerdraging are cute.
Since they don't have an article of their own to post, they have to post somewhere that is more superior to their article, aka the archmage pants article. All that emo damage they do to themselves cannot be good to health. Also Healthstones give you explosive diahrea.
/mage > warlock

"First, I have a Mage, I love my Mage, in ways that are probably unhealthy. But here's the thing, if we're talking crowd control..."

Blind

@natsumi

You may be right about the spell, but you're downranked for being an asshole. Go be childish, whiny, and emo in the warlock comments.

Luckily, my jackass filter was on, so I was able to glean that having a warlock in a 5-man may not be an entire waste, and I know what to look for to make sure he's doing his job right (feared mob shaking in place, not running around pulling other mobs). Thanks, oh summoner of 12-year-old boys' wet dreams.

I'll remember this argument when Natsumi is begging me for a port, considering that Dal and Shat will no longer have those wonderful portals.


Nat - Hey finch, can I get a port to Dal?
Finch - Sure. 500gold please.
Nat - What? That's ridiculous!
Finch - Well, ya should've rolled a mage.
Nat - But Warlocks have better CC
Finch - Then fear yourself to Dalaran. kbai

You know Nex and Natsumi are not being down graded. Warlocks are just naturally dark and down graded. :)