Officers' Quarters: Content is easy

It's been a while here at Officers' Quarters since we've tackled some good, old-fashioned guild drama. This week's email comes from a guild leader dealing with an abrasive officer (and real-life friend) with a penchant for long, sudden and unexplained AFKs.
Hi Scott,
I am the guild leader of a new 10-man guild. I created the guild equally with several real-life friends and we co-share the leadership. The problem lies in this: One of the real-life friends has been doing things like going AFK for 45 minutes in the middle of a raid. This was a guild-led, non-scheduled ICC-25 PUG, but he gave me little warning and then disappeared for 45 minutes, which included the first two bosses.
I am the guild leader of a new 10-man guild. I created the guild equally with several real-life friends and we co-share the leadership. The problem lies in this: One of the real-life friends has been doing things like going AFK for 45 minutes in the middle of a raid. This was a guild-led, non-scheduled ICC-25 PUG, but he gave me little warning and then disappeared for 45 minutes, which included the first two bosses.
He returns and expects to be let back into the raid, and when I privately questioned him, he got angry at me for being upset and claimed that the bosses were "easy" and we didn't need him there. While this is true (we 24-manned it easily), I think it is unfair of him to expect to take up a slot in our raid and not contribute.
I have confronted him on several issues similar to this, but he always makes an excuse or says that content is easy and we don't need him there or in Vent, etc. I am beginning to think that he is taking advantage of his position as officer-without-a-job to get into raids and then do things that he would normally get kicked for.
These confrontations have gotten on my nerves and I have snapped at him over silly things, leading him to say that he would quit our scheduled guild 10-man if I gave him any more attitude. I don't know what to do, since speaking with him obviously doesn't work. The other real-life friend is aware of the problem and commiserates but doesn't have a solution. I don't want to make him leave the guild as he is a friend and does good DPS, but I don't think he would stay if I demoted him from officer status. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Hi, BaRaaHP. A common mistake that many new guild leaders make is promoting their friends to officer rank for no other reason than their real-life relationship. And your situation is a great example of why you never should. It's one thing if your friends are actively helping you set up the guild, recruit, create a website, lead raids, manage the bank and so on. Then you can say they deserve to be officers. It's another situation entirely if they are simply given the rank by virtue of their friendship and then expected to do nothing.
The Drama Mamas wrote a great column on the topic of friends behaving badly back in July. I particularly like Lisa's reply, and I suggest you check it out.
To her advice, I'll add my own comments. First of all, if your friend is any kind of decent DPSer, he understands basic math. When he goes AFK, it doesn't mean you won't progress through the zone (normal ICC is fairly easy with the 30 percent buff and average gear levels these days). Still, it does mean you're progressing more slowly on the whole. Missing even one DPSer is a noticeable hit, especially if it's one of your better players. In a 25-player partial PUG, a great DPSer could account for as much as 10 to 15 percent of the overall damage. That's not even accounting for any unique buffs that his class brings to the table that could also speed up the clear, provide mana or prevent deaths.
Thus, when he's gone, he's breaking my Golden Rule of Raiding (GRR): Don't waste other people's time. To demonstrate the impact, use Recount on a night when he's actually at the keyboard and show him what percent of the damage he's doing. You're probably going to boost his ego, which is a bit contrary to the goal here, but at least he'll understand better how his AFKs are hurting the raid.
On a side note, I'd like to know what the heck he is doing for 45 minutes that's so damn important. You're well within your rights to ask, since he's making your job harder and then giving you attitude about it to boot.
The bottom line
The bottom line is this: You can't allow an officer in your guild to act this way. It sets a terrible, terrible example for everyone else in the guild. What would happen if five people decided to take long, unscheduled breaks? Or 10 people? Nothing would ever get accomplished. What makes him special that he deserves the break and other people don't? Not a thing.
It also reinforces an us-versus-them mentality between officers and nonofficers, since anyone else who acted that way would never get away with it. Officers can't be above their own rules, or the entire social framework of a guild breaks down. It's particularly problematic when people in the guild know that this guy is your friend, because then you're also sending a message that friends of yours get special benefits that others don't. It's a double whammy for you. Maybe if you explain it that way, your friend will understand, but you know him better than I.
Fortunately, you have an ally in your other friend. Enlist his or her help in this matter, since communication from two people in this case is going to be more effective than your own, lone voice of reason. It's important for him to realize that his behavior is unacceptable, not yours. Having a third party to weigh in would be extremely helpful.
Stand up for yourselves. Do what's right for the guild. Then let him decide if that's a deal-breaker. If it is, then quite honestly, you're better off without him. I don't care how awesome he is as a player. His DPS when he's AFK is 0.
Finally, as a general word of advice: If your officers aren't helping you, they shouldn't be officers, whether they're your friends or not. Find people who will chip in, or you're going to burn out on this whole leadership thing very fast!
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Beli Sep 27th 2010 1:14PM
My vote: 10 minutes of unexplained AFKing, boot him from the raid and find a replacement. When he comes back 45 minutes later, it's oh well too bad. A guild rule/policy to this effect beforehand would help soften the blow/show you aren't "singling him out". Plus it sends a message to the rest of the guild that you find his behavior unacceptable.
I find people who are as self-absorbed as this tend to take care of the problem for you, if you stop caving to them. One of two things will happen: either he'll shape up and become more of the officer you want him to be, or he'll nerd rage and quit. Either way, things will be easier and more pleasant for you in the long run.
Arrowsmith Sep 27th 2010 1:17PM
I'm ashamed and proud to admit that every single time I was put in an officer position, it was either because my best friend (who's more of a leader than I am) was the Guild Leader, or because I was becoming the guild snitch to said best friend (no secrets between us) and leadership would just thrust me into an officer position.
Granted, I suck at being a leader, but I do try and be an active member of the guild. This guys however seems like...well if it were me, unless he had a DAMN good reason he wasn't going to be in a guild raid anytime soon. Friend or not, there is a certain level of trust that should be maintained.
God I hope what I just typed made sense...
Aureliusz Sep 28th 2010 1:19AM
Why is this downrated, guys?
He's only been put in a leadership position for non-leadership reasons, but he admits this, and says he does his best regardless and understands the weight on his shoulders that comes with such responsibility.
He understands his own limitations but tries his best regardless, in a situation that is less-than-ideal. Not only that, but he puts forward that even him being an officer doesn't protect him from the guild's rules.
I think this guy should be upvoted instead.
u9k13 Sep 27th 2010 1:24PM
@Scott
The bottom line is you have a responsibility to the other 23 people in the raid. Remove him from it if he /afks without permission and get another person in, stop messing around and show some leadership, all you are doing is anoying the rest of the raid and getting a bad rep as a raidleader in whose raid you can not pull your weight.
And as he obviously does not care about you and difficulties you is causing you, I'd not overly worry about losing him from the raid, guild, or life in general. Friendship works bothways and he is taking advantage of it.
Microtonal Sep 27th 2010 1:31PM
Unfortunately, there are some situations where you have to choose between your guild and your friendship. This is one of them.
Frankly, if one of my RL friends constantly took advantage of me in-game like this, they wouldn't be my RL friend for very much longer, to say nothing of being my guildmate. Total dick move.
Finnicks Sep 27th 2010 4:16PM
I actually have the opposite problem (although not so much anymore, it's gotten better).
I was made an officer of my best friend's guild because I was his friend. But I earned my keep, setting up a vent, a website, laying out rules, leading raids, ect.
The problem was that my guild leader is a "follow his whims" type person. He does what he wants, when he wants, and gets really mad if he's interrupted. He'll decide he wants to some random thing and he'll pour all of his energy into it, to the point of refusing to attend raids (and even getting iritated and mouthy when you so much as ask him to come) because he's decided he wants to focus on something else (like the Insane in the Membrane title, which he's still working on). For a long time his contributions to the guild itself were next to nothing and for all intents and purposes I was essentially the guild leader.
And for a very long he had a bad case of long-unnannounced-AFKitis when he actually DID raid. Either he'd spontaneously get to up to go make coffee, or else to go for a smoke break, and he'd be gone for 10-15 minutes.
Ultimately it took about a year of me being very point-blank tough on him to get him to stop (having twins with his wife also helped teach him a bit of responsibility too). Nowadays he's better, although he still refuses to raid unless it's a raid he really wants to do, preferring to focus on his pet projects instead.
scherbaddie Sep 30th 2010 12:05AM
You had twins with his wife?
veil Sep 27th 2010 1:39PM
as micro already mentioned...total dick move. and i personally couldnt give proper feedback since the RL friends i play with wouldnt act this way. my recommendation would be to boot him from the raids when he pulls this. he will either 1. see the error of his ways and come around, or 2. quit the guild. i wouldnt hold my breath for the former. if he quits himself, its on him and not you. if your RL friendship suffers as a result of this...him behaving badly in a computer game...then sadly you are probably better off not counting him as a friend.
i also want to point out your other RL friend is doing you no favors by not getting involved...
Moobs Sep 27th 2010 1:39PM
Being a leader is the hardest job of all!
In the end you need to act, demote him, and when he comes to a raid warn the whole group that being AFK is unacceptable and will result in being kicked from the raid. The same can be said for VENT, no VENT no loot or no raid.
If this person is a true friend then they will mend their ways, if not then why waste your time being concerned.
Hahahaha Sep 27th 2010 1:57PM
Yep being the leader is quite hard specially when your judgement can be clouded.
If his only problem is unwanted behaviour just during raids just appoint someone else as raid lead. The new guys rule/judgement during raids ofcourse moderated by you. If your friend has any objection to it you three can talk it out, the only difference here will be your friend would be arguing against someone who's not his real life friend with you just being a facilitator if you will.
vertigobliss86 Sep 27th 2010 1:41PM
No contribution, no service. Plain and simple. He is taking advantage of you guys as he thinks he's all high-and-mighty. Boot/demote him.
Randolyn Sep 27th 2010 1:42PM
I don't understand why you would want to be real-life friends with someone who is such an utter asshat in-game.
If this guy is selfish and egotistical in-game, he's going to be selfish and egotistical in real life as well. Maybe you should reconsider whether this is someone you want to have in your life until he grows up.
Cure4Living Sep 28th 2010 3:44AM
yeah my thinking exactly, friends don't misuse their friends like that. Sure its only a game but the guys problem has nothing to do with the game. He's not a very nice person, which is odd since in my experience most people confuse friendly with friend and I too don't know how this guy can be all that friendly in real life.
Veloxe Sep 28th 2010 8:43AM
I'm going to disagree here. I know it's come up in a Drama Mama's somewhere but people can change drastically when they get into the game, for whatever reason. I raid with a co-worker and in RL he is hard working and often steps up to lead us out of a bad situation/towards a better situation in the work world all the time. However, once he gets into game he becomes very lazy and doesn't want anything to do with leadership at all. It's probably because he plays the game for fun and not to be a second job so he slacks off all the time.
The point is, just because someone is a way in game doesn't mean they are guaranteed to be that way in RL. If anything, it just tells you have people will act when you aren't within punching distance and can't easily get there.
dwebster3 Sep 27th 2010 1:53PM
If you are the guild master. I believe you have one other option. Create a new officer level, perhaps "Llieutenant" or "Raid Officer" promote your actual officers, and leave him behind.
You can then rename the "Officer" rank to "bum" all without actually demoting him... Technically anyway..
Anyway you do it.. Suck it up and get it done. I've seen guilds fall apart over lesser issues.
Good Luck
Erzfiend Sep 27th 2010 1:52PM
Last night while in ICC, we had a guild member DC. Our leader called and asked what happened, and he said that his router was having issues. Now this dude is the leader's RL friend, but he made the decision to try and enlist someone who had previously offered to fill a spot if need be. He stated that if this new person was available and would join us before the first person returned, then that would be that and we would move on. It was a tough decision, but when you've got 9 other people there and ready to go, it was one that had to be made.
And to BaraaHP, it doesn't matter how good his DPS is, he brings a bad attitude to the guild/raid which in my eyes is totally not worth it. You can always find people who are sufficiently geared and who have the right attitude.
Aedilhild Sep 27th 2010 3:26PM
Here's where the kids are separated from the adults. Most players with sudden connection problems or emergencies are apologetic and all but supportive of their replacement. Hell, one time half my city went black for hours, so I asked a friend with a then-inactive account to get on Vent and tell the raid to replace me.
Erzfiend's right. Bad attitudes destroy raids *and* guilds.
Mortenebra Sep 28th 2010 12:39PM
Just to add to Erzfiend's comment (who has it nailed head-on) and Aed:
Communication is key. For the people whom the raid leader/guild leader/officer(s) don't have direct, non-WoW contact with, we set up a time limit and communicate that to the guild as a sort of rule. Then everyone knows what to expect and what to do in case of people getting DC'd and the sort. AFKs can happen for all sorts of reasons and some of them can be seriously urgent (like the baby just puked all over herself in the crib-- been there, done that), but even rapping out quick a "[expletive] afk!!" can tell your group quite a bit and might be the difference between drama-filled and drama-free. The group itself can decide what they want to do if/when the time gets to be too tedious. To parrot Ade, adults will respect the decisions or, at least, peaceably try to negotiate some compromise and understand the situation.
When I respond to applicants to the guild, one of the things I stress is communication, and I urge them to utilize any avenue available to them, be it in-game or out. There's an entire thread on our guild forums where people have posted sudden last-minute things happening in their lives and how it will affect the raid, if they'll make it or not, etc. And we figure out what to do with that information in mind-- do we postpone, do something else or just take a break for the night?
There's a serious lack of communication on the part of the 'friend' and 'officer' of BaRaaHP, among other things, and that just breeds bad juju in a raid group and guild. To be perfectly honest, the guild and the OP are probably better off without him.
Sean Sep 27th 2010 1:57PM
I agree completely with Scott's opinion on this matter. Just because this officer is a friend of yours doesn't mean he gets to AFK during your raids. Make it a guild-wide rule that ANYONE going AFK unannounced for extended periods of time, say more than 10 minutes or any length of time that will cause you to miss a boss fight or just slow the raid down, will be met by an automatic boot from the raid and absolutely NO chance of being re-invited to the raid for that night.
"I don't care how awesome he is as a player. His DPS when he's AFK is 0."
Vitasia Sep 27th 2010 1:58PM
This is one of the reasons I insist that people outside my immediate circle of friends are officers, and people who ARE my real life friends are given extra scrutiny. It would be easy for other members of the guild to accuse me of nepotism, which weakens my authority as a whole.
That's not to say my friends are excluded. One of my top officers is a RL friend of mine, in part because of the invaluable access we have to one another in discussing strategy, makeup, recruitment efforts, etc. Still, there are others in our circle who have complained that they aren't officers. If you calmly explain the situation that YOU are in, and are still upset, then they wouldn't be a good officer in the first place.