Shifting Perspectives: Hopes for balance PvP in Cataclysm

It is a rather well known fact that I am not the most hardcore of PvP players. I enjoy it from time to time, especially battlegrounds, but when it comes to high-end arena play, that's just a little bit out of my league. I know the theory of it, as much as there can be theory on PvP. I read what those in the higher echelons are doing and say, and I watch those better than me to refine my skills, but it's just not meant to be. I am fine with my own status in the PvP world; I don't particularly seek to top any bracket. I mention this as a preface to the rest of this article because I want to talk about the issues that I have personally seen and read about, with the understanding that I am not a PvP guru.
As a further introduction to the topic, it's important to reflect a moment on how balance PvP stands right now. In its current state, balance PvP isn't so much broken as it is excessively difficult; perhaps even "difficult" isn't the correct word to use, either. Balance druids are more of a support class when it comes to PvP, but they rely upon the support of others in order to function. We have never really been able to fend for ourselves, so to speak; we bring great control tools, but only in a limited sense. We have a decent amount of burst, but we still require the assistance of others in order to both finish players off and to help set us up. We aren't exactly in a bad position, but neither are we in a great one. We float along in limbo, and our major hope for change is with Cataclysm.
Brand new expansion, same old problems
One item that has been an on again, off again issue for balance druids is that of mana. When it comes to mana management, balance druids are perhaps one of the worst specs in the game. In terms of talented and other means of passive mana regeneration, we rather get the short end of the stick, though it isn't entirely a fault of our talents themselves.
As it stands in Wrath, we have two talents for passive mana regeneration, Dreamstate and Intensity, one operating off spirit and the other off intellect. Unfortunately, neither of these is sufficient in PvP. Intensity itself is not an issue as much as the lack of spirit on our PvP gear. Our other source of mana regeneration is the crit return from Moonkin Form, which also doesn't function very well in PvP due to resilience's lowering our critical strike chance.
Out of those three mana regenerations options, all of them have been removed in Cataclysm. Instead, every class has a standard baseline mana regeneration amount while in combat. Balance druids can further talent for additional mana regeneration through Euphoria, which returns mana upon gaining an Eclipse proc. Just as the mana return from Moonkin Form was ineffective in PvP, so too is Euphoria. Eclipse is only gained through the use of three spells -- Wrath, Starfire and Starsurge -- and only two of those ever see any sustained use in a PvP environment. It is very difficult for a balance druid to cast multiple Starfires throughout the course of a PvP encounter; the cast time is simply too prohibitive. This leaves the impact on mana that Euphoria has limited; couple that with Euphoria's currently not being effective enough in a PvE setting where the druid can chain cast freely, and you have a bad combination. It simply is not possible for a balance druid to sustain damage output in PvP. Factor in non-Eclipse generating spells such as Entangling Roots, Cyclone and Wild Mushroom, and the system simply cannot work.
A few patches ago, Blizzard did toss a bone in balance druids' direction by reintroducing Dreamstate as a talent that allows Innervate to return additional mana when used on yourself. Again, as with Euphoria, the talent is insufficient even in PvE -- so it is less effective in PvP, where mana consumption is higher. Further, this brings about a very troubling aspect of balance's mana issues. Blizzard intends to balance our mana regeneration around the fact that we will use Innervate on ourselves every single cooldown; that simply isn't feasible in PvP. Not only are we busy with other tasks, but Innervate has no dispel protection, meaning that our main source of mana, which we can both talent and glyph for increased effectiveness, can be stripped away in an instant. A new, passive system of mana regeneration has to be introduced.
Always an expansion behind
Two of the key elements of balance druids are their mobility and their control tools. We are one of the few classes with access to two completely different forms of crowd control on separate diminishing returns, allowing us many unique opportunities that other classes simply do not have. Cataclysm has only further expanded upon our control abilities by giving us things such as instant-cast, AoE Entangling Roots, an AoE silence via Solar Beam, and a ground-based snare effect through the Fungal Growth talent. From a straight observation, it would seem as though balance druids should be rising up to become the new frost mages, in terms of control. Sadly, this is far from the truth.
Solar Beam is a great talent, and it is wonderful to finally have a means of countering other spellcasters in PvP. Yet while Solar Beam holds some potential to be the most powerful silence in the game, it is also the weakest. Solar Beam absolutely has to be used in conjunction with Entangling Roots; otherwise, the player hit by it can simply move out in less than a second, making it the shortest silence in the game. Given that it takes at least two GCDs to be viable by any means, this also makes Solar Beam the only silence in the game that requires more than a single cast to be effective. Further, Solar Beam has a minute-long cooldown, which is much longer than any similar spell in the game.
In short, while Solar Beam seems fantastic, in comparison to every other similar spell in the game, it is the worst interrupt/silence out there. The fact that it has a 5-yard range, which is ridiculously short and will rarely if ever hit more than one player, does not make up for all of the additional maladies that plague the spell. Honestly, if the fact that a Solar Beam and AoE Entangling Roots combination is too overpowered is what is holding the spell back, then I would much rather ditch the AoE root than an effective silence from Solar Beam.
Wild Mushroom -- or rather, the snare left by Wild Mushroom with the Fungal Growth talent -- was originally thought to have great potential as a kiting tool to finally help balance druids counter melee players who seem to eat us like candy. Sadly, this too has failed to fill that niche. Planting the mushrooms themselves requires a cast time (albeit a very short one), which prevents them from being used while on the move. That is a manageable flaw, but the horrendously short range of the mushrooms is not. Wild Mushroom now only has a 3-yard range on their explosion, which is shorter than melee range (5 yards) and makes any pre-emptive planning for snares beyond difficult. The spell can be used as a defensive ability by surrounding either a friend or yourself with mushrooms to counteract any melee players who think it's wise to come and play with your face, but using them as a mobile, on-the-fly snare is simply out of the question. The reduced range on the mushrooms has completely neutered the spell (although it isn't the only flaw). The mushrooms are also targetable, much like totems, and have low enough health that they can be safely one-shot at range by anyone. Further, the mushrooms don't act like a trap at all; in fact, players can tap dance on top of your mushrooms all day long if they wish. The only way the mushrooms will go off is if you cast the detonate spell.
The damage of Wild Mushroom is ridiculously high -- so the spell at least has that going for it -- but beyond using them as a trap while hiding out in the WSG flag room, there really isn't a place for the spell in the heat of action. It feels far more like a buff or a little defense grid that you set up prior to the encounter rather than anything that you would use beforehand. Perhaps other druids are having a better time of it than I am, but that's the feeling that I've gotten from the spell.
Although we have a plethora of control tools, all of them are relatively weak. I value quality over quantity in this situation. I would much rather give up a few of the weak tools that we currently have in exchange for having just a few control tools that function exceptionally well.
Let them burn! ... or not
Let's face a simple fact: PvP is all about damage. All of the fancy tools and control abilities are dandy, but at the end of the day, it boils down to who can blow up who faster. In that race, balance druids lose hard. We have never really had any means of controlled burst that we can perfectly time in order to take down an opponent quickly; instead, we have relied upon timing Starfire casts with Cyclones and praying for some lucky procs.
Things in Cataclysm are honestly no different. We have a few burst tools, but they really, really fail. Our only choice of burst comes in the form of the aforementioned Wild Mushroom. As I said, the damage from the mushrooms is high, very high, and you can certainly use them to quickly decimate a player in a matter of seconds. Sadly, just as with all of our other tools, the spell just does not compare to what other classes have. Yes, we may be able to put out the same amount of damage (possibly even higher) if everything rolls in our favor, but every other class has equal damage output that's far easier to set up and reproduce.
Balance druids need to have some burst, but we simply cannot seem to get it. Starsurge is respectable, but it just isn't in the same realm as other classes. We need something more -- this is a hot war arms race, and we're losing.
Defensive tools or the lack thereof
The last topic that I would like to brush upon is the matter of defensive tools. Balance druids have never really been known for our defensive capabilities. We are actually one of the weaker classes all around, and Cataclysm has done nothing to address that. Our primary defensive tool has always been our higher than average armor mitigation, yet that is starting to slip drastically. In Cataclysm, all non-plate wearing classes are having their base armor increased in order to better equalized the disparity between cloth and plate, in an effort to better balance physical damage output. Unfortunately, this has not worked out well for balance druids. Moonkin Form's armor bonus has once again been equalized due to this change, but a level 85 balance druid actually has less physical damage reduction than a current level 80 balance druid has. We are losing armor, once again, and it's bringing the rest of our defenses down with it.
Beyond our standard passive damage reduction, we also have Barkskin. Although I am in love with Barkskin and think it is the best thing since sliced bread, it really doesn't hold up against some of the other defensive tools that other classes have.
There is also the issue of magical damage reduction. Most classes, especially other casters, have some form of passive magical damage reduction; balance druids do not. This places us yet another step behind other classes in terms of PvP combat. It isn't so much that balance druids lack the tools to be an exceptional PvP spec; it is that our tools are not balanced up to par to what other classes possess.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
mistairdvant Oct 1st 2010 8:13PM
Just from looking at the post, most of it assumed the position of a bad player. Anyone who would use the new abilities such as Solarbeam or Wild Mushrooms ineffectively. However I'm not going to lie, I didn't read the entire article, I just wanted to say that put in the hands of a good player, these changes are game-breaking as opposed to what we have now.
What do we have now?
1 Snare (2 if you're lucky with Brambles + Treants), 1 Full CC, 1 Sleep (beasts)
What do we get?
Numerous snares, a silence, a stun (Starsurge), an interrupt (Skull Bash), and an enrage remover (lol BM Hunters/Warrs). We lose animal control with Hibernate.
Again this isn't bashing the post, just saying that in general the changes mad to Boomkin PvP will make Boomkins extremely viable. With the less-effective MS change, we will be able to fit spots that Hunters and Mages previously replaced us as.
Then again... they both did get Heroism.
JiBJUB Oct 1st 2010 8:41PM
Starsurge knockdown ("stun") was removed weeks ago. =(
Blizzard builds us up to knock us down.
Bobbo Oct 1st 2010 9:01PM
If you actually read the entire article before commenting (which I know is a lot to ask but stick with me here), you would see that the new control mechanisms were very much directly addressed and highlighted as being inadequate to boost moonkin PvP in any meaningful sense. Having a silence is great... until the other player strafes a few yards out of it. Chances of that silence covering several players that have been aoe rooted? Much less likely now that previously. The mushroom boom of power is great... if they're setup enough at least four seconds before anyone gets within range to kill them off. Oh, and if someone happens to step within 3 yards, which, without researching, I have to assume is the smallest radius of anything in the game at the moment. Oh, but we still have that knockdown effe... nah, nevermind, that's gone now too.
That's all not to say that we don't have more options than we do in Wrath, but to call boomkins "extremely viable" is a stretch at best, especially in light of the recent downward adjustments (since it's beta, I won't call them nerfs),
moardotz Oct 1st 2010 9:22PM
From my pvp experience in wrath... (2k in 3s so nothing near a gladiators experience)
Being a holy pally and given a nice pole, a balance druid could never kill me.
In cata however... The mushrooms will be a gamechanger because it effectively will stop players from kiting around poles AND deal a good amount of damage to them.
Triques Oct 1st 2010 10:29PM
Skull bash is only usable in cat or bear form and druids rarely change our of their "default" form.
The Starsurge stun has been removed.
mistairdvant Oct 1st 2010 11:54PM
Now knowing that they did remove the "stun"/knockdown effect from Starsurge, I'm extremely disappointed. And yes calling Boomkins extremely viable may have been a stretch.
I guess it just depends on the player, since moving 4 yards seems to be the issue, I'm not sure why it's even noticeable with the root (which should be instant cast now), pushback + slow and fungal growth.
Overall I agree that these should have been things implemented a long time ago but I'm still happy that I get to laser fire beams at my opponents now.
Greg Oct 2nd 2010 9:50AM
@ Triques
Druids who rarely change out of their forms in PVP will have a hard time reching high levels of competition. The druid's shape shifting is the key to it's performance.
The most useful abilities in any form are (arguably) the bear's bash and the cat's maim. Dash and stealth are also important- as well as bear form and barkskin for surviving melee burst. But the two feral forms each provide a stun and interrupt. The moonkin itself can also interrupt with typhoon. Combined with line of sight rooting and cyclones and the moonkin can be a very potent stymie to any healer.
Good druids need to change forms to reach their full potential.
Wildebeast Oct 4th 2010 10:12AM
@Greg
Thank you for your thoughtful post, I was about to type something horrendously rude until I read your reply.
@Everyone else
Greg is absolutely right. I made it to 1300 bracket after 250 games in 2v2 because I stayed in Boomkin and left my shaman healer do all the work. I'm embarrassed to say that once I was educated by rooftrellenx about how we can LoS them the same way they can us I finally broke that 1800 wall. If you didn't know it; for a long while now entering and leaving combat is VERY frequent now in arena. re-stealthing is an incredibly viable option. and lastly... heal for the love of all that is good, boomkins can heal!! what a concept.
I'm eagerly awaiting Cata because there will be numerous patches for balancing and re-balancing (no pun intended). You're thinking too small scale if you think boomkins will be stuck at the mere list of proposed changes in beta. Track DK history... I felt bad for them after a while, then I died to Path of Frost in ToC and hated them again lol.
Have a good day everyone who read this far!
Balian Oct 1st 2010 9:09PM
Hmmm....
That sucks, hopefully moonkins will have their day at some point.
Lissanna Oct 2nd 2010 9:29AM
It lasted for like a week when we hit 85 in Beta, and then they started taking away all my toys. :(
Ed Ross Oct 1st 2010 8:47PM
Are you kidding, poster? Balance is pretty nice in PvP. Snare, HoTs,Instant shapeshift, hurricane... more than enough to blast any meelee, at least.
Or the problem is that casters are terrible OP in PvP compared to meelee...
Scomparsa Oct 2nd 2010 1:31AM
Instant shapeshift? If you have a cast time on your druid's shapeshifts...you're doing something wrong...
Bobbo Oct 1st 2010 9:13PM
I have to assume that you're calling Hurricane a blast mechanism since it's the only one in that list that causes anything but minor damage. If that's a blast, especially against the hp levels we'll be seeing in Cataclysm, boomkin are in worse shape than even this article makes them out to be.
Also, while I'm here, for the love of whatever Azerothian god, goddess, or spirit you worship, it's melee. Pronounced "may-lay." Mealy is how you describe a distastefully powdery food, not someone who hits you over the head or goes stabby-stabby. And since these mistakes often seem to overlap, reagents is "re-agents," not "re-gents." Let us do all we can to cleanse our land of these scourges.
Bobbo Oct 1st 2010 9:15PM
And that's a reply to Ed Ross in case additional comments get in the way of the very much non-replied reply...
elstor Oct 1st 2010 10:03PM
When I first read this title I thought it said Hopes for balanced PvP.
Good luck with that. But balance pvp on the other hand is gonna be great in Cata
Greg Oct 2nd 2010 9:50AM
The article does not give enough weight to the affect of the Moonkin's superior mobility in the upcoming rated battlegrounds. When you combine all the tools of the Moonkin- with the ability to escape, reset, heal, and cast again- I believe Mookins will be a BG force to be reckoned with.
Lissanna Oct 2nd 2010 9:30AM
So, we're back to Vanilla WOW where balance druids were really good at running away but couldn't kill anything. Wooo!!
Greg Oct 2nd 2010 9:50AM
I'm going back to the battlegrounds where the ability to pull people away from nodes and defensive points is incredibly important to team success.
Again, people are arguing from a one v one stance. In a battleground with many teammates, coordination makes the boomkin powerful.
And the boomkin is not the only class that can kite or root. If anyone else took care of that, then the boomkin can become the dot throwing, starfalling, starfire/wrathing monster that it is.
Robert Oct 21st 2010 5:43PM
Moonkin are a kiting class in pvp, basically like hunters. Unfortunately, the only damaging spells they can cast on the run are moonfire and insect swarm (and starfall, technically, but... starfall kiting in pvp generally doesn't work so well).
As of right now, the only instant cast spell we have that slows our kite is typhoon. We have roots, but it has a cast time, which significantly limits its use in pvp. As a result, we spend most of our time running away and once every twenty seconds or so we can chain cast some wraths off.
Instant-cast roots in cataclysm is what will make or break moonkin pvp. The mushrooms, in their current state, are going to have fairly limited use, unless the roots can buy the moonkin enough time to get away that they can feel free to cast something with a cast time.
Greg Oct 2nd 2010 9:50AM
Kiting is exceptionally effective in PVP right now. And the rated battleground landscape will only improve it's status.
Rogues, warriors, death knights, and even paladins of ten complain about being kited while slowly dying to dots just like moonfire and insect swarm. In arenas, boomkins are one of the only classes in the game who can do significant damage to the other team while completely on the run via starfall and force of nature (treants). The cooldown on these abilities does make them situational (opening for quick pressure, or finishing when the healer is stressed), but they are still excellent kiting damage spells. And once the moonkin is free- then comes the roots and starfall (starfall since the arcane lockout just leads to wrath spam, equally devastating).
In the rated landscape druids will bring these abilities, and more, to bear with an entire team. Much of the article here focuses on the druids balance versus other classes in one on one situations. Solar beam is not the greatest ability when combined with the same druid's roots. But, in a BG, with all the snares of an entire team at his/her disposal and a little coordination, the boomkin's aoe silence can become devastating to casters who tend to group up. Shadowfury, frost nova, solar beam, all combined with warsong gulch or the limited mobility flag area in eye of the storm equals flag carrier bliss.
In group combat sense of rated battlegrounds, I think boomkins are going to be quite powerful. They may never be as good at one on one kiting as a hunter, mage, or resto druid, but their mobility and offense as well as ability to heal will make them a cataclysm force with which to be reckoned.