Scattered Shots: BM not the premier spec for Cataclysm extreme soloing
Welcome to Scattered Shots, written by Frostheim of Warcraft Hunters Union and the Hunting Party Podcast. Each week, Frostheim uses logic and science (mixed with a few mugs of dwarven stout) to look deep into the hunter class. Got hunter questions? Feel free to email Frostheim.
Like an elf telling you about his most favoritest butterfly, the Cataclysm beta goes on and on. But unlike elf stories, the beta feels like it's getting somewhere. We're now seeing fewer major class changes and more and more tweaking to shot damage -- something that was nearly entirely absent in the early days of beta.
While shot damage, spec DPS and stat weights may still be up in the air, we've now got pet scaling nailed down, and our talents seem mostly fixed (though surely they've got to do something about Counterattack eventually). It's time for us to turn our attention to extreme soloing in Cataclysm.
The first shocking thing that leaps out at us is the fundamental fact that it appears that BM will not be the extreme soloing spec of choice in Cataclysm. In fact, BM may well be the worst extreme soloing spec. Join me after the cut for the shocking changes to pushing your hunter to the limits and beyond.
More health is good
We know from our previous discussions on extreme soloing that the most important things are pet health, damage mitigation and healing. We don't care about DPS or threat, since we can eventually kill anything if our pet can keep tanking it, and we can drop threat or slow DPS as needed.
Cataclysm brings us a very healthy boost in stam, both to hunter and to pet. With blue-level gear, you can easily get your tenacity pet in the 70k-80k health range. This is a massive improvement to the amount of damage your pet can absorb.
More health means more healing
The new Mend Pet now heals your pet for 25 percent of its total health over 10 seconds. This means that the more health your pet has, the more Mend Pet will heal. This is also true for the Spirit Bond talent and the Silverback pet talent. All of these heals are based on a percentage of your pet's total health.
The new Glyph of Mending (now a major glyph) was nerfed to only provide a 3 percent increase to pet healing (and doesn't currently work besides), but the Blood of the Rhino pet talent is still giving us a 40 percent boost, along with the 10% from Spirit Bond. It is very easy for your Mend Pet to heal for over 5k per tick.
This, combined with more than doubling pet health, opens up a lot more content for soloing from vanilla through Wrath. Cataclysm content, unfortunately, is built with massive damage that more than equals our pet health and healing increases.
Why BM is no longer the extreme solo spec of choice
Currently on live, BM is the only spec you'd want to extreme solo with 98 percent of the time. This is because the spec offers the following advantages:
- Endurance Training
- Thick Hide
- Spirit Bond
- Catlike Reflexes
- Beast Mastery (because it enables us to get both Wild Hunt stamina increase and Silverback self-heal)
Finally, the four extra talent points from Beast Mastery are no longer necessary for us to get all of the extreme soloing talents -- with the change to Wild Hunt, it's no longer a stamina boost and we don't need it for extreme soloing.
So BM no longer offers any must-have extreme solo abilities; however, it still gives us harder-hitting pets and some more pet talent points that could be of marginal use, like for Last Stand or Great Resistance.
Unfortunately, BM actually brings a disadvantage.
A big part of extreme soloing remains the tier 5 two-piece set bonus that heals our pet for 15 percent of the damage that we deal. And as we do more damage, we heal our pet for more. But -- and this is a big but -- this only heals for damage from the hunter, not damage from the pet.
Not only does BM get a much larger percent of its damage from its pet, but BM's signature shot is Kill Command, which is considered to be made by the pet. Your tier 5 will not heal your pet based on Kill Command damage. So now we have all specs able to get pets with just as much health and just as much mitigation, but MM and SV will be able to heal their pets significantly more than BM can.
I have a hunch that MM may become the extreme solo spec of choice, just because of its ability to combo up the Chimera Shot self heal with the Spirit Bond self-heal.
The crit factor
The big unknown right now for Cataclysm-level extreme soloing is your pet's chance to be crit. Our pets still have the Grace of the Mantis pet talent that reduces their chance to be crit by 4 percent. Alas, in Wrath, raid bosses have a 5.6 percent chance to crit. Previously we managed that other 1.6 percent through resilience, but in Cataclysm, resilience will no longer provide crit reduction -- or any affect at all in PvE.
I spent far too much time over the weekend measuring raid boss crit chances to see if perhaps they have a lower chance to crit in Cataclysm than they did in Wrath (or, Titans help us, a higher chance). This was time that could have been much better spent consuming frothy adult beverages that make one irresistibly charming to the opposite sex. Alas, testing vanilla through Wrath bosses demonstrated only that raid boss crit is currently bugged (or at least bugged for pets) and my charm remains resistible.
It's a pretty safe bet, however, that boss crit chance will stay at 5.6%.
What we'll be soloing
Right now, the massive damage dealt by Cataclysm mobs, combined with our likely lack of ability to make our pets crit-immune, suggests that unless something changes, we won't be soloing much in the way of significant Cataclysm content. However, a lot of previously unsoloable BC and Wrath content will open up to us. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some Wrath raid bosses pretty easily soloable by the Cataclysm hunter and her trusty pet.
Filed under: Hunter, (Hunter) Scattered Shots
Patch 5.3 interview with Ghostcrawler
Mystery of the Unborn Val'kyr
The latest patch 5.3 news
All of the latest Mists of Pandaria news





Reader Comments (Page 2 of 5)
Thiron Oct 4th 2010 9:49AM
I think you'll be able to get 2 pieces solo and without them...I don't know exactly how good cata hunters are, but considering health and dps I've been hearing about - soloing void reaver and leotheras would be possible...I mean, they're both almost soloable now. I don't think Karathress can be done without a healer, though chimera shot might do...and I' pretty sure Vashj and Kael stay unsoloable.
Elmouth Oct 4th 2010 1:16PM
Void Reaver only needs 5k5 sustained dps in order to die before the enrage.
Now the main problem here is that you need to kite during the whole encounter which cuts down your dps and you need tof eign death every 30 secs because you pet will lose aggro.
Right now its easilly 2mannable if you get a tank that can keep themselves alive (AKA a ret pally with good prot gear on), forget DKs, Void Reaver's immune to diseases.
Also, good luck soloing TK trash, they got a nasty MC that will make you kill your pet so you're probably gonna need help anyway.
Thiron Oct 4th 2010 3:10PM
Well, you just need bestial wrath for every group of trash. Don't remember their health though...
If 10 seconds are not enough to kill, might just skip groups with sacrificing pet. They'll be 15 levels below, so there should be safe spot between groups.
Sean Oct 4th 2010 9:31AM
Frost, Does BM offer any advantages over MM and SV in the way of your pets threat seeing as it is the spec with the highest pet damage?
jason leighty Oct 4th 2010 9:55AM
considering the Glyph of Misdirection there shouldn't be any threat issues
loop_not_defined Oct 4th 2010 11:01AM
The threat still drops off after 30 seconds, though. I cannot definitively say what that means without hopping in Beta and trying it myself (Brewfest has eaten all of my time :( ), but I don't think Glyph of Misdirection will make pet threat problems simply go away.
If Tier 5 gets nerfed, then Cataclysm essentially brings the survival aspects of pet tanking on every spec together, leaving BM in the lead only by increasing permanent threat on the pet and allowing faster kill times.
Still severely hampers extreme tanking....although that might be intentional.
loop_not_defined Oct 4th 2010 11:03AM
Er...I meant extreme soloing. You get the idea.
Frostheim Oct 4th 2010 2:22PM
Glyph of MD makes pet threat problems go away -- as long as you're constantly using MD, you'll never have any threat from your shots.
loop_not_defined Oct 4th 2010 6:16PM
Ah...so threat doesn't transfer back after 30 seconds, it just disappears? In that case, I'm either cramping my Alt+V finger or fitting Misdirection into every single macro, with the appropriate conditionals.
Weasel Oct 4th 2010 9:43AM
Oh wow, drool! I love soloing, because I love running old content that 99% of the other emblem farmers in this game don't care about. I still haven't gotten the tier-5 set for my hunter but it's on top of my to do list.
Hal Oct 4th 2010 9:44AM
What are the odds that T5 set bonus will ever crop up again in another fashion? Could it ever become an actual talent or glyph? Perhaps it could recur as a set bonus again?
Grovinofdarkhour Oct 4th 2010 9:45AM
Patchwerk want to play?
Iirdan Oct 4th 2010 3:55PM
Patchwerk was fun. Three hunters, a priest, a druid and a shaman standing around while a bear, a wolf and a cat attacked Patch.
Good times testing boss crit chance, good times.
darktreader Oct 4th 2010 9:47AM
You sure about those maths Frosty?
You're basing your whole argument here on an extremely dated set of gear that provides 15% extra healing based on hunter damage. As you mentioned, the goal is healing, and the healing as you mentioned is all based on percentages of pet health, and pet health is all based on scaling with the hunter's gear, therefore the better the gear, the more health the pet has ... so how can this BC level gear compete with tier 11 gear for overall pet health and therefore % heal? Your total damage will surely also drop wearing these Karazhan rags....
Just my thoughts.
P.S. I think you are hoping that MM will be the premier spec, methinks you have a slight prejudice :)
Shue Oct 4th 2010 9:56AM
You won't get the 15% healing from hunter damage if you don't have the 2-piece T5 which doesn't drop in Kara.
Natsumi Oct 4th 2010 10:03AM
It's based on the fact that about 30% of a BM hunter's damage is from the pet and a MM hunter pet only provides about 10% give or take. That means that the MM hunter's shots are stronger and, if both specs are wearing exactly the same gear, the MM hunter will heal the pet for more than the BM hunter, thus making MM better for keeping the pet alive. There is no skewed number here, just basic logic.
Your assumption that 2 pieces of old gear will make MM somehow worse than BM is illogical, as both specs would be wearing the same gear anyway. And, unless I am totally crazy, you wear the gloves and shoulders from T5 as those 2 slots are the smallest detriment to your DPS stat-wise.
darktreader Oct 4th 2010 12:01PM
Blue iLvl 333 shoulders/gloves : 300 + 260 stamina = 5600 hp * 78% = 4368 HP * 40% = 1747/tick from mend pet
Rift Stalker Shoulders/Gloves : 47 + 44STA = 910 HP * 78% = 709 HP * 40% = 283/tick from mend pet
Difference = 1464/tick from mend pet.
437 - 71 = 366/tick from spirit bond.
Total from two sources = 1831/tick difference. This is not taking into account armor scaling for effective health or any other cataclysm-only factors. Stats and pet scaling in cata change everything and asking to see proof isn't illogical.
I don't have the beta. Go put your t5 on and solo something and heal your pet and then do the same with it off and show me the parse of your healing output, and make sure you have at least blue level 85 gear to compare with as I did above. Otherwise, do the theorycrafting and beat my 4th grade maths and show me how much dps you need to do to beat nearly 2k per tick of healing.
And until you do that, stop downranking a post that *gasp* challenges Frostheim's lack of proof.
Tom Oct 4th 2010 12:06PM
The point of the T5 is that it does the healing. Soloing things by having your pet kill it while you spam Mend Pet is *really* boring.
firstlordmoth Oct 4th 2010 12:25PM
What you are missing dark, is that the healing done by the T5 set bonus is based on damage done by the hunter, NOT from mend pet. So the math that you are doing is completely unrelated to the discussion. 15% of all the damage that I do as a hunter translates to pet healing.
sherekhan88 Oct 4th 2010 12:31PM
While I don't deny that 2pc T5 is indeed a powerful bonus, I have personally seen that it is completely unnecessary for extreme soloing. Two dungeons which have been said to require it - Karazhan and MC - I have done all without using 2pc T5. If at current gear levels this bonus is not required, I believe it would hold true going into Cata.
As I explained above, the Golemagg fight is about pet positioning to prevent avoidable damage, and in fact, with Patch 4.0s 'Move Here' command for pets, it'll be cake for any hunter that knows what he/she's doing. Especially also, with the improved percentage based Mend Pet.