Drama Mamas: Transgender bullying
Drama Mamas Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are experienced gamers and real-life mamas -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of the checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your realm.
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Drama Mama Robin: First of all, congratulations on being brave, open and truthful. Bravo! But blech, no matter how rational you are about the haters, their comments and reactions still hurt. Bravery has a big cost, but it can be worth the pain in the long run. For example, when I was growing up there were zero openly gay couples and now there are gay pride parades. It's a different world and I expect it to only get easier for you ... eventually. But that doesn't really help now, does it?
Let's go over your options as I see them, complete with pros, cons and recommendations.
Give up raiding.
Drama Mama Lisa: I'm going to drive off the beaten path here, Gender Reroller, and turn you over to the capable care of Guest Drama Mama Seraphina Brennan, senior editor at our sister publication Massively. Sera has personal experience with this issue, and I'm betting you'll find her guidance both realistic and reassuring.
Guest Drama Mama Seraphina: Well hey there, Gender Reroller! First off, as Robin said, good for you for being you! For as much as being transgender is accepted, there are still so many people who are willing to send out venomous vibes. It's sad, really.
Anywho, Lisa asked me to offer a few tokens of advice, as I'm transgendered and a former raid leader from the Ravenholdt (US) server. Now, I was able to be pretty open with my guild (luckily) and people on my raids were usually quite behaved (most likely because I ran a tight ship and was entirely willing to use to use the Holy Banhammer of Justice skill). But if the topic would come up ("Why does everyone call you she when you're a dude?"), I would very simply answer it and ask for it to be respected. For the most part, people would respect it because we were there to raid, not there to start drama.
So, my advice to you is to try to be open and yourself if you stick around. If those players don't want you around, then that's their loss. Your guild sounds welcoming, so try to stick with them and enjoy some upper-level content. If you need to step into a raid and someone has a problem with your being there, try stick it out and show him you can raid like a pro. That can usually get him to quit the griefing, because raids aren't about insulting the other people with you. (That's just bad raiding, and I don't care how "hardcore" you think you are. Raids are teamwork.) This is the harder path, however, because the person may not want to change. Some people are just morons through and through, and doing this may not be worth it for you.
The other option is to move servers, as you said. You're there to have a good time and see some content, not be assailed by morons every five minutes during your raids. If this drama is locking you out of what you want to do, then by all means transfer servers. You might find a much more welcoming environment, another great guild of people, and a great server community that's competitive but awesome at the same time. In the least, it will give you a fresh start and a chance to have some fun doing what you want to do.
You play this game to have fun, and if you're not having fun because of your environment, then change your environment. Enjoy yourself, enjoy your raids, and enjoy Azeroth. Don't let a few jerks get you down, and never stop being true to yourself.
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Hello Drama Mamas,
I've been playing WoW for about a year and a half now. While I've always been a member of some minority groups (I have a few disabilities, for example) and have always had a problem with the pro-bullying majority environment on WoW, the problem kind of got a bit worse for me about six months into that time when I joined the most maligned group yet and came out as transgender. I really enjoy the game and I'm in a guild that handles this (and many other) things about me quite expertly, but the backlash I get in pickup raids mostly because of Vent (which is how quite a few people on my very small server know my trans status), has me seriously considering quitting the game or at least quitting raiding, which is my favorite part of the game.
The frustrating thing is that WoW was originally an escape for me, where I could function as preferred-gender much more easily than I did in the real world. But ironically the reverse is now true. I'm pretty much done with the process outside of WoW and yet because of rumor creep, a huge amount of people in the game know about me, and even my guildies have trouble with pronouns because my voice hasn't sounded preferred-gender for incredibly long.
To top it off, I'm kind of interested in getting into some more hardcore raiding, but on my server the three hardcore guilds in existence are full of transphobic comments and all sorts of other crap. If I were personally being harassed it would be almost easier because there'd be a clear path to solving it. But it's like a server-wide bucket of crap that's making me think I just want to change servers and not tell anyone in my new guild, preferably to a place where hardcore mature guilds exist and there's a lot of people. Am I letting people get to me when I could just fix the situation, or is this a good idea?
Gender Reroller
Let's go over your options as I see them, complete with pros, cons and recommendations.
Give up raiding.
- Pro You don't have to put up with the haters anymore.
- Con You love raiding. You let the funsuckers win.
- Recommendation No.
- Pro You give people courage to be themselves. You are making the concept of transgender more familiar and therefore more accepted. You get to do what you like. You can show them that physical world realities have nothing to do with in-game skills and personality.
- Con It still hurts. A lot.
- Recommendation Only do this if you want to lead by example and are willing to tolerate the intolerant.
- Pro You get to be treated like a "normal" person. You get to raid without nastiness.
- Con You go back to hiding. Moving away from friends is hard.
- Recommendation If you would really like to be accepted as your preferred gender and don't want to be "out" anymore, this is the choice for you.
- Pro You get to be yourself -- completely out and accepted for who you are. You get to raid without nastiness.
- Con Moving away from friends is hard.
- Recommendation It is so relaxing to be exactly who you are among tolerant people, no matter how you play. I recommend at least creating a character there to try out the culture and see how you like it.
Drama Mama Lisa: I'm going to drive off the beaten path here, Gender Reroller, and turn you over to the capable care of Guest Drama Mama Seraphina Brennan, senior editor at our sister publication Massively. Sera has personal experience with this issue, and I'm betting you'll find her guidance both realistic and reassuring.

Anywho, Lisa asked me to offer a few tokens of advice, as I'm transgendered and a former raid leader from the Ravenholdt (US) server. Now, I was able to be pretty open with my guild (luckily) and people on my raids were usually quite behaved (most likely because I ran a tight ship and was entirely willing to use to use the Holy Banhammer of Justice skill). But if the topic would come up ("Why does everyone call you she when you're a dude?"), I would very simply answer it and ask for it to be respected. For the most part, people would respect it because we were there to raid, not there to start drama.
So, my advice to you is to try to be open and yourself if you stick around. If those players don't want you around, then that's their loss. Your guild sounds welcoming, so try to stick with them and enjoy some upper-level content. If you need to step into a raid and someone has a problem with your being there, try stick it out and show him you can raid like a pro. That can usually get him to quit the griefing, because raids aren't about insulting the other people with you. (That's just bad raiding, and I don't care how "hardcore" you think you are. Raids are teamwork.) This is the harder path, however, because the person may not want to change. Some people are just morons through and through, and doing this may not be worth it for you.
The other option is to move servers, as you said. You're there to have a good time and see some content, not be assailed by morons every five minutes during your raids. If this drama is locking you out of what you want to do, then by all means transfer servers. You might find a much more welcoming environment, another great guild of people, and a great server community that's competitive but awesome at the same time. In the least, it will give you a fresh start and a chance to have some fun doing what you want to do.
You play this game to have fun, and if you're not having fun because of your environment, then change your environment. Enjoy yourself, enjoy your raids, and enjoy Azeroth. Don't let a few jerks get you down, and never stop being true to yourself.
Note: We will be monitoring the comments and moderating them heavily as needed. If you don't want to get deleted or banned, don't be That Guy.
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Reader Comments (Page 18 of 18)
Ben F. (Hagios - Runetotem) Oct 16th 2010 5:28AM
For the option of transferring to Taint.
I am a proud member of Taint and love my guild very very very much. I would like to say Taint is not this individual's only option. There are numerous LGBT guilds on multiple servers. Just Proudmoore is like the LGBT refuge with multiple LGBT guilds or guilds that are strongly welcoming. Its to the point here I would honestly say for active guilds that there are more guilds who are welcoming than who are not, and if someone even in a pug raid says something out of line watch out people don't let that kind of crap fly around here. But what I am trying to get at saying is Proudmoore offers every type of space from small to large guild, conservative to liberal, to everything in between for the LGBT community on Horde and Alliance side. We always welcome in new folks into Taint but Taint is not the only option it is just one out of many many many great options, but I believe personally one of the best places to begin if you come over to Proudmoore.
ColbyWolf Oct 16th 2010 8:17AM
The problem, that so many people people don't get is that this ins't gender reroller's problem. She/he doesn't have a problem with being transgendered. to them, it's a fact of life. The problem lies in the people around them, every day. For some reason--whatever reason--most people are somehow threatened by someone who defies what they belive the gender lines are. Maybe they think a man becoming a woman lessens their masculinity, or insults their feminitiy. Maybe they think that they're gay but won't admit it, maybe they feel that they'll steal of the good women/men because they are/were a woman/man themselves and can obviously identify better with them. Or maybe the problem is just that they don't fit neatly in the boxes that people have made around themselves. And these peopel are often threatened. Or maybe they're just confused. or angry. or closest somehow themselves.
But most people don't take it 'nicely' and move on. It may only be one person in 100 that becomes truely agressive about something--calling names, threatening violence--but one person can make so much difference.
and in a world where we force people like gender reroller to try and conform to one box, or the other box, it's easy to become battered and bruised, over sensitive, fearful of every sharp word.... is it really surprising that they fear and crave acceptance? That the fear each stranger's reactions, and every stranger's face is a new potential rejection?
I long for the day when people can simply BE without worrying about sexual or gender orientation, skin color, or.... well, other petty differences. These are the things that make us special. Why can't we embrace it?
Danielle Oct 16th 2010 8:51AM
I can relate to Gender Re-roller's issues... I'm also a Transgender WoW player. I came out while my progression raiding guild was working on Sunwell. I stayed till the end of Sunwell, and then retired from the game.
Not because of taunting in guild, which happened but was minor, I'd been with this raid group for almost 2 years at that point. More because I needed to time to work on my personal life.
When I came back 18 months later, most of the faces in the guild were new. They knew who I was, because I was infamous on the server, but they hadn't raided with me, so I could constantly feel the strain of unacceptance. One of my toons on that server is 71, the rest are still 70... I just didn't feel like part of the family any more.
I went and played with some old guildies for a couple of months, levelled up my one horde toon to 80 and ran ICC a few times... this arrangement with a small 10 person guild probably would have worked, if not for the fact they raid at west coast times, and I'm on the east coast. I left the paladin over there (along with a 76 warlock I started from scratch) so I will go back and play with them, but I probably won't raid till 2 in the morning.
About that time, a friend of mine told me about this great LGBT guild on Proudmoore, so I decided to check it out. I levelled quickly to 10, got a guild invite, and I can honestly say I'm having a wonderful time in Taint. My mage is now level 51 after a couple weeks, and I have a warrior in her 20's. Not blazing speed levelling, but that's ok, I didn't come back for the hard core raiding. There's always people online, the guild chat is always lively, the women in the guild accept me as one of them with no questions, and I'm not the only Trans person over here, and no one cares.
If you're not sure if you want to move to Taint, do what I did... make a test toon, give us a try. I'm only waiting on Goblins to be available to transfer my old Alliance toons over.
Shabaella (Proudmoore-US) Oct 16th 2010 12:34PM
Hi,
I play wow for like 3 years now, and I got discriminated in game for being gay in real life too. After someone from my own guild discriminated me, I decided to server and faction xfer to Proudmoore, it was not to Taint, there is plenty of GLBT and GLBT friendly guilds in Proudmoore, and there is even the GLBT channel(/j GLBT).
Although I think Proudmoore is the US WoW server with more gays, it's not the majority of the server players. On trade chat there is always some people discriminating us, most of them just to cause drama
But the big difference I see, is that if you join a guild that is GLBT or GLBT friendly the GL will normally keep the raids a safe place for us. I've seen GL kick players for using the f word or just saying "that's gay".
On the taint site, there is a list of GLBT guild on WoW, not just in Proudmoore.
http://taint.rtgc.org/guide.php?guideid=58
lissag Oct 16th 2010 1:15PM
As a transgendered player, I get where you are coming from. One of the things I do to mitigate the problem is to type rather than speak in vent. I just do without unless I'm among friends most of the time. I let them form an opinion about me based my actions and my guild/tells before I hit them with my voice. I have a small advantage in that my voice is pretty well trained. For that, I can recommend something for you, but it's a lot of work with a very longterm sort of payoff(it took me about a year before phone conversation weren't ever sirred), so, not a lot to help with there immediately. I've been in gay guilds and that was fine but drama was not insignificant and it was mostly guys which is kinda boring, honestly.
Also, I have to say, I'm really impressed. that was a well done and sensitive article and I'm more than a little surprised. ^_^ Thanks for restoring some recently lost faith in the community in wow.
Bouncing Gnome Oct 16th 2010 7:07PM
You are always most welcome in Night Watch (Alliance, Terenas EU).
I'm the ex-GM, and have recently retired and passed on leadership to my boyfriend. We've always been a social guild, and act as a sanctuary for mums-with-younglings, shift-workers and young professionals. IE those people who do not like rudeness, lol-speak, or complaints about the times you log on.
We are a social guild, and all raids are done for giggles, but we got up to the Litch King pre-patch so we're not too awful.
I know a sanctuary may not be the term you're looking for, but even if it's just for a while to get you're breath back then you're most welcome here :)
Luke Oct 16th 2010 9:36PM
Looks like I'm a little late to the party but I'd like to throw my hat in.
I have several friends in the LGBT community, so sometimes being on a backwater server like Balnazzar can get discouraging. I wish I had the money to move off the server and onto one with a better community but alas I can't afford to move that many characters.
I've always played characters of both genders, as I find all kinds of roleplay fun. In any case it can be difficult even just from a roleplay stand point, to explain to people that this is what you enjoy doing so they should back off.
I was recently happily surprised by a conversation I had with someone asking me a post 4.01 related question. Their response to the question was, "that's gay..." to which I explained to them that many people find that particular use of "gay" offensive. You know what? They were surprised, apologetic and completely understanding.
Here's to that player for being mature, and being capable of adapting their behavior when given new information to work with. Reroller, I hope you meet more people like the one I did, that can handle accepting something unfamiliar with a gracious hand. I also wish you luck in your endeavor. By no means would I recommend you come to Balnazzar but if you ever do send Sixteentons a message.
Now as far as music goes, I fell in love with Janelle Monae recently. I think her music is amazing and her album The ArchAndroid is a concept album, the story of which has many parallels to what the LGBT community is facing in America.
Here's a link to an amazing song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqmORiHNtN4
Tyrandir Oct 17th 2010 12:33PM
I'm a gay transman and after I moved servers (for another reason, but the timing coincided quite well with my coming out) I was just able to be myself. I'm lucky in that I have a fairly masculine voice even though I'm not on hormones, but only a few people mistook me for a girl and I quickly corrected them.
My partner and I are both very active members of our guild and they are very accepting of us. If you can, I'd suggest finding an adult only guild, they tend to be more mature about this stuff from my experience.
There are jokes about me being gay, but everyone knows it's in good fun -- just like how I joke them about stuff.
Also, Drama Mama's you rock for posting this...so many people in WoW make transphobic comments without actually knowing anything about transfolk at all.
Glory Oct 19th 2010 8:21AM
I started reading the various comments about half an hour ago. I dont have time to finish going through them. First, I want to give kudos for having the courage to be who you are, 99% of the general populace cant do that. Second, kudos for having the courage to reach out and ask for help, regardless of what people might have to say about that. 99% of the general populace cant do that either. Both of those are strong indicators of a person thats comfortable with themselves, or working on becoming that way. Third, people are idiots. Not all people, just most people. Thats just the way it is. Doesnt make it right, certainly not fair, but when we were given the handbook to life, noone ever said it was fair. Just like parenting, you learn as you go along, becuase let me tell you, the handbook for raising children with strong morals, with strong core values, and the brains to look past a persons skin color, religion, gender, sexuality, whathaveyou, is freakin defective.
What im trying to get at, is keep the faith my friend. Be who you are, be proud of who you are, and people with either get with the program or get off the bus. Should you ever decide to make a horde toon on Blackwater Raiders, please feel free to look me up. Glorymadness. Ive yet to meet a person on that server ( I transferred over at 80 to play with a RL friend that has since quit playing) that wasnt helpful, respectful, and accepting of differences. I"m sure they are out there, the morons, but I personally havent met them. I wish you the best.
Wolf Oct 19th 2010 12:14PM
Best of luck to you. I am transgender as well. For years I never used a mic in vent because of fear of what my voice would sound like. I got sick of hiding things from my guildmates however who would chat in vent and in guild chat about various real life and wow related things. I have moved to a more accepting guild with my alliance characters but still haven't told anyone though I do talk in vent now and I make it a point to not tell people my gender but then they assume one based on my voice or way of "talking" in guild chat. On the alliance side some simply assume I am male and some assume I am female, which bothers me less because I have both male and female characters there. I am also in the "gender queer" camp so I am not 100% comfortable with either gender designation though I do have one that I strongly prefer and pass as in real life as there isn't much room for in-between folks just yet. On the alliance side I feel I have to hide a lot of details about myself from my guild which is agonizing but I'm just not sure how to explain myself.
My horde characters are a different story. I recently heard that Proudmoore server was a fairly glbt friendly server so I paid to transfer all my horde characters there. I researched and found the guild Taint and applied. I have only been in the guild for a few weeks or so, so far. It is a good guild, but very large and very easy to get lost in. So far I have felt very ignored and overlooked but I think this is due just to the sheer amount of people and my being a new face. Despite all that it is very nice to be in an environment and guild that isn't full of hateful comments and even the server itself seems to be generally lacking in the gay bashing and other hate chat I see all the time in trade on my alliance server. I am glad to be on the Proudmoore server and hope to be able to find more of a place in the guild. I would consider rolling an alt there to test out the environment or maybe just up and moving like I did, but I know it is hard to leave guildies behind. If you do happen to join, there is a transgender chat channel, that is sadly often quiet, but that I am always in when I am online. Any guild officer should know it, I would think, and can tell you the name. Pop in and say hi!
Love and best of luck to you, no matter where you end up.
Roseberry Dec 6th 2010 2:35PM
So glad to see this topic on WoW Insider, and great article! Thanks Drama Mamas and Seraphina!
I wanted to share some thoughts on voice...
I just happen to be a transgender (trans woman) WoW player myself, and indeed, there was a time when I was afraid to talk on vent. I have a VERY low voice, and for those that don't know, female hormones DO NOT affect change in the voice of an individual that transitions from male to female. Testosterone, on the other hand, does wonders for those going the other direction *cheers trans guys!* That being said, most trans women have pretty low voices, and although one can develop a "more feminine sounding" voice through vocal exercise and practice, it's actually not all that easy, and will never reduce the size of the voice box or vocal chords. I have personally had a real love/hate relationship with my voice because of this, and there was certainly a time when it made me extremely self conscious. But I got over it. I learned to love my voice.
I do not, in fact, have a very feminine sounding voice, but it's mine, and I'm proud of it. Before I transitioned, I used my voice quite often. I was a singer for many years in bands, a DJ, and have done voice over work as well. I finally realized, that I can still do those things. Sure, it throws people off, perhaps even scares or disgusts them. Last year I was even one of the winners at the Blizzcon sound alike contest. I was dressed down quite a lot, but based on the youtube comments, some folks were a bit confused. Oh sure, some hateful stuff as well, but I don't care. I got a really nice iPod and other prizes out of it! The truth is, I know who I am, and I don't require anyone's approval or disapproval (though I certainly get my share of both, whether I like it or not.)
I agree with Seraphina. Try to be open and confident. You know who you are, and that's all that matters, really. Stick with those that DO respect you, and do your best to educate those that don't... gently. You can't demand respect from everyone, but you can certainly ask for it. In my experience, the more that I just try to be myself, and not worry about what anyone might think, the more often that I gain the respect from others that I desire and deserve. JUST BE YOU! :)
Gender Reroller Oct 27th 2010 1:30AM
I had never imagined this would be published, let alone barely any time after I'd sent the letter. My disbelief was such that I have just now had the chance to read this concentrated sauce packet of awesome. It's amazing to see that the world's come to a place where this could happen, and it kind of makes me wanna get really serious about WoW.
To clarify for anyone still hitting the comments, I'm a trans woman, MtF, i.e. I go by "chickie" or "girl" if you feel like being polite ;).
Before this I'd kind of taken for granted that there's no way I'd be able to get together a group of folks accepting enough to make a raid group. Now, I think I'm going to transfer to Proudmoore or Wyrmrest Accord and set up my own raid team, as I've always wanted to be a raid leader. Now let's just root for me in the fight to get my girlfriend to start playing WoW...
Thank you, Drama Mamas, and thank you all who chipped in their two cents. I had no idea so many trans people existed who even read this site.
Roseberry Oct 27th 2010 10:49PM
To Gender Reroller:
How cool is this?!?! Apparently there are far more of us trans folk playing WoW than any of us ever imagined! I have personally been planning a move to Proudmoore myself, as I met a number of really wonderful LGBT folks at Blizzcon this year, and would really like to join the awesome community that already exists on that server. That being said, I love the idea of many trans gamers coming together in one place, and hope that perhaps some of the other trans folk that posted here might be interested as well! If you do, in fact, start your own guild, I would love to know about it, and would be quite excited to be a part of it! I am Roseberry on the Cenarion Circle server, and would love to get in touch!