Drama Mamas: Transgender bullying
Drama Mamas Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are experienced gamers and real-life mamas -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of the checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your realm.
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Drama Mama Robin: First of all, congratulations on being brave, open and truthful. Bravo! But blech, no matter how rational you are about the haters, their comments and reactions still hurt. Bravery has a big cost, but it can be worth the pain in the long run. For example, when I was growing up there were zero openly gay couples and now there are gay pride parades. It's a different world and I expect it to only get easier for you ... eventually. But that doesn't really help now, does it?
Let's go over your options as I see them, complete with pros, cons and recommendations.
Give up raiding.
Drama Mama Lisa: I'm going to drive off the beaten path here, Gender Reroller, and turn you over to the capable care of Guest Drama Mama Seraphina Brennan, senior editor at our sister publication Massively. Sera has personal experience with this issue, and I'm betting you'll find her guidance both realistic and reassuring.
Guest Drama Mama Seraphina: Well hey there, Gender Reroller! First off, as Robin said, good for you for being you! For as much as being transgender is accepted, there are still so many people who are willing to send out venomous vibes. It's sad, really.
Anywho, Lisa asked me to offer a few tokens of advice, as I'm transgendered and a former raid leader from the Ravenholdt (US) server. Now, I was able to be pretty open with my guild (luckily) and people on my raids were usually quite behaved (most likely because I ran a tight ship and was entirely willing to use to use the Holy Banhammer of Justice skill). But if the topic would come up ("Why does everyone call you she when you're a dude?"), I would very simply answer it and ask for it to be respected. For the most part, people would respect it because we were there to raid, not there to start drama.
So, my advice to you is to try to be open and yourself if you stick around. If those players don't want you around, then that's their loss. Your guild sounds welcoming, so try to stick with them and enjoy some upper-level content. If you need to step into a raid and someone has a problem with your being there, try stick it out and show him you can raid like a pro. That can usually get him to quit the griefing, because raids aren't about insulting the other people with you. (That's just bad raiding, and I don't care how "hardcore" you think you are. Raids are teamwork.) This is the harder path, however, because the person may not want to change. Some people are just morons through and through, and doing this may not be worth it for you.
The other option is to move servers, as you said. You're there to have a good time and see some content, not be assailed by morons every five minutes during your raids. If this drama is locking you out of what you want to do, then by all means transfer servers. You might find a much more welcoming environment, another great guild of people, and a great server community that's competitive but awesome at the same time. In the least, it will give you a fresh start and a chance to have some fun doing what you want to do.
You play this game to have fun, and if you're not having fun because of your environment, then change your environment. Enjoy yourself, enjoy your raids, and enjoy Azeroth. Don't let a few jerks get you down, and never stop being true to yourself.
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I really, really wanted to embed People are People by Depeche Mode, but Warner Brothers won't let me. Rather than rage about that here, you can go to my tweet, if you wish. So instead of an awesomely appropriate video and song, you get a screenshot taken at the <It came from the Blog> Brewfest 2010 event -- because people are still people, even when they are multiboxing druids dancing with blood elves in bunny ears. Let's just move on to the letter.
Hello Drama Mamas,
I've been playing WoW for about a year and a half now. While I've always been a member of some minority groups (I have a few disabilities, for example) and have always had a problem with the pro-bullying majority environment on WoW, the problem kind of got a bit worse for me about six months into that time when I joined the most maligned group yet and came out as transgender. I really enjoy the game and I'm in a guild that handles this (and many other) things about me quite expertly, but the backlash I get in pickup raids mostly because of Vent (which is how quite a few people on my very small server know my trans status), has me seriously considering quitting the game or at least quitting raiding, which is my favorite part of the game.
The frustrating thing is that WoW was originally an escape for me, where I could function as preferred-gender much more easily than I did in the real world. But ironically the reverse is now true. I'm pretty much done with the process outside of WoW and yet because of rumor creep, a huge amount of people in the game know about me, and even my guildies have trouble with pronouns because my voice hasn't sounded preferred-gender for incredibly long.
To top it off, I'm kind of interested in getting into some more hardcore raiding, but on my server the three hardcore guilds in existence are full of transphobic comments and all sorts of other crap. If I were personally being harassed it would be almost easier because there'd be a clear path to solving it. But it's like a server-wide bucket of crap that's making me think I just want to change servers and not tell anyone in my new guild, preferably to a place where hardcore mature guilds exist and there's a lot of people. Am I letting people get to me when I could just fix the situation, or is this a good idea?
Gender Reroller
Let's go over your options as I see them, complete with pros, cons and recommendations.
Give up raiding.
- Pro You don't have to put up with the haters anymore.
- Con You love raiding. You let the funsuckers win.
- Recommendation No.
- Pro You give people courage to be themselves. You are making the concept of transgender more familiar and therefore more accepted. You get to do what you like. You can show them that physical world realities have nothing to do with in-game skills and personality.
- Con It still hurts. A lot.
- Recommendation Only do this if you want to lead by example and are willing to tolerate the intolerant.
- Pro You get to be treated like a "normal" person. You get to raid without nastiness.
- Con You go back to hiding. Moving away from friends is hard.
- Recommendation If you would really like to be accepted as your preferred gender and don't want to be "out" anymore, this is the choice for you.
- Pro You get to be yourself -- completely out and accepted for who you are. You get to raid without nastiness.
- Con Moving away from friends is hard.
- Recommendation It is so relaxing to be exactly who you are among tolerant people, no matter how you play. I recommend at least creating a character there to try out the culture and see how you like it.
Drama Mama Lisa: I'm going to drive off the beaten path here, Gender Reroller, and turn you over to the capable care of Guest Drama Mama Seraphina Brennan, senior editor at our sister publication Massively. Sera has personal experience with this issue, and I'm betting you'll find her guidance both realistic and reassuring.

Anywho, Lisa asked me to offer a few tokens of advice, as I'm transgendered and a former raid leader from the Ravenholdt (US) server. Now, I was able to be pretty open with my guild (luckily) and people on my raids were usually quite behaved (most likely because I ran a tight ship and was entirely willing to use to use the Holy Banhammer of Justice skill). But if the topic would come up ("Why does everyone call you she when you're a dude?"), I would very simply answer it and ask for it to be respected. For the most part, people would respect it because we were there to raid, not there to start drama.
So, my advice to you is to try to be open and yourself if you stick around. If those players don't want you around, then that's their loss. Your guild sounds welcoming, so try to stick with them and enjoy some upper-level content. If you need to step into a raid and someone has a problem with your being there, try stick it out and show him you can raid like a pro. That can usually get him to quit the griefing, because raids aren't about insulting the other people with you. (That's just bad raiding, and I don't care how "hardcore" you think you are. Raids are teamwork.) This is the harder path, however, because the person may not want to change. Some people are just morons through and through, and doing this may not be worth it for you.
The other option is to move servers, as you said. You're there to have a good time and see some content, not be assailed by morons every five minutes during your raids. If this drama is locking you out of what you want to do, then by all means transfer servers. You might find a much more welcoming environment, another great guild of people, and a great server community that's competitive but awesome at the same time. In the least, it will give you a fresh start and a chance to have some fun doing what you want to do.
You play this game to have fun, and if you're not having fun because of your environment, then change your environment. Enjoy yourself, enjoy your raids, and enjoy Azeroth. Don't let a few jerks get you down, and never stop being true to yourself.
Note: We will be monitoring the comments and moderating them heavily as needed. If you don't want to get deleted or banned, don't be That Guy.
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 18)
Blaez Oct 15th 2010 11:20AM
It Gets Better.
Toon name of the guild leader of the guild mentioned: Tyrathin.
Spriestess Oct 15th 2010 12:17PM
You honestly have a guild named It Gets Better? That just completely made my day :D Many kudos to your guild! That alone makes me want to start a character on Wyrmrest.
(Can you tell I'm a huge Dan Savage fan?)
Heather Oct 15th 2010 11:18AM
Reroller! I know exactly what you're talking about with hardcore raiding guilds and homophobic comments - which drive me nuts, I might add.
One of my very good friends is transgendered, and I love her to death. She's one of the nicest people I know, but she doesn't come out to very many because of the issues that many people have with it (out of fear, I honestly think).
I would echo Robin's advice of looking into the Taint family of guilds. They have at least one hardcore raiding subguild that I am aware of - Taint Invaders. I had the good fortune of joining that guild back in April, and I have to tell you, they have some FANTASTIC people there, who really know what they are doing. And the guild environment? Blessedly free of homophobic and harassing comments. I came from a guild where I was getting sexually harassed for being female on a daily basis, so joining TI was amazing.
Seriously, check them out! I know they are recruiting, to boot. :)
Nina Katarina Oct 15th 2010 11:19AM
We have a transgender DK raid leader in our guild, she has had a similar problem. She suffers from several decades of testosterone poisoning so her voice still sounds quite male. So she can't be the person she is (have a female character and be addressed as a female) and be on vent outside the guild without being called out or harassed. Our M-to-F shadow priest has fewer problems because most people just assume he's 14 and are astounded at his maturity.
Look for a liberal guild; we're out there.
If you don't head for us or Proudmoore and you want an anonymous start, look into voice changer software for your vent. We have someone in guild who uses that, and it takes his very bass voice and makes it quite girly.
Muse Oct 15th 2010 2:20PM
Ooh, does that voice changer work the other way around?
Toad Oct 15th 2010 2:22PM
Testosterone is not poison, it's part of being biologically male. Implying that it's poison really isn't going to make any steps towards tolerance.
Next time, try saying something along the lines of "as someone who started their transition in adulthood, their voice is not yet retrained."
Oteo Oct 15th 2010 7:01PM
@Toad
You might find this helpful: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facetious?r=75&src=ref&ch=dic
collinsm81 Oct 15th 2010 11:19AM
Unfortunately, the web is rampant with people willing to capitalize on the innate anonymity of the internet. Everything that is said that offends you I find is best countered by throwing it back in their face. Oftentimes, in TradeChat, when I feel particularly offended by the homophobic comments thrown around, throwing it back can usually get more support than you expect. One dissident voice can often be quelled by several voices of support for the offended.
Just my experience. Hang in there, Gender Reroller! We're all in this together! :)
Baba Oct 15th 2010 11:20AM
I wouldn't take Option 3 - simply because if you talk via Vent then you may start to create new rumours about your gender and there's a risk that it'll start all over again. If you transfer you might as well take the time to find a specific guild (Taint looked good).
Jay Oct 15th 2010 11:21AM
Get a voice mask :>
Jay Oct 15th 2010 11:22AM
Crap.. wrong reply thing D:
Saeadame Oct 15th 2010 11:22AM
Probably, the switch server option would work out the best if you a) don't want to give up raiding but also b) don't want to be getting grief. But the response was pretty good.
Just don't come to Mal'Ganis, the sexuality/other random bigotry slurs run rampant all day long, and Goon Squad's little addon just eggs everyone on /sigh. I often feel fairly offended by trade chat and I'm not even part of a minority group =\.
Amaxe Oct 15th 2010 11:24AM
Seems to me this is more of a cyber bullying thing than a transgender bullying thing and should be approached in this way. Setting aside all moral arguments one way or another, if the letter writer is being bullied in game then it seems like one should see what Blizzard's policy is on the subject.
However when it comes to twelve million people playing WoW, there **will** be differences in views of what is and is not acceptable. I am not speaking of moral relativism here of course. I believe there is objective right and wrong. However the fact that someone may be offended by a particular moral issue is not the problem: How they express it can be a problem.
Nina Katarina Oct 15th 2010 11:24AM
The problem, woecip, is that a transgender person can't 'keep it to herself' when they're on vent. And honestly, non-homophobic, non-transphobic raiding guilds exist. This post is a good way to find them.
Truefame Oct 15th 2010 11:26AM
Not all people that play wow are complete prats - but one does seem to bump into them all too often. Unfortunately, it's an ideal place for bullies as they hide behind their character and be as cruel and nasty as they like with no social conscience or consequence.
There are, however, some great people that play who will accept you for who you are and who you want to be.
I wish you the best of luck and hope that you find a guild deserving of you.
Nina Katarina Oct 15th 2010 11:27AM
Sigh. Is there any chance that your switch over to joystiq will actually ever fix your comments reply system?
Baba Oct 15th 2010 11:33AM
Is it wrong to feel a sense of superiority that I can reply to this comment? :P
Cyrus Oct 15th 2010 11:55AM
"Is it wrong to feel a sense of superiority that I can reply to this comment? :P"
Yes, because it's just an RNG thing.
Stephanie Oct 15th 2010 11:28AM
I thought I could offer another tip:
Tell your guild (and anyone that seems confused) which pronoun to use. Now if you end up moving (depending on where you end up) it might not be any issue, but as your guild seems decent, just say "I prefer S/he" and I can't imagine them having confusion after that.
Personally, I'd try to find a more tolerant server. I am all about keeping the game fun for myself and as stated if the serer culture is sucking your fun, moving is a good way to take it back.
Chedder Oct 15th 2010 11:30AM
Sounds to me like this reroller person just loves the attention. Why else would he/she tell everyone that he/she is transgender in a video game where nobody can't tell who or what you are? Why not just BE the gender you want to be and play the damn game? Isn't that the entire point of switching genders in the first place?
I'm getting pretty tired of over sensitive people, outting themselves in known hostile places such as the ENTIRE INTERNET and then getting all butt-hurt about it. Grow up. Learn to cope with yourself like EVERYONE else has to do, and l get over it.