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10-15-2010 @ 11:11AM
I know what I'm about to say is comparing apples to oranges....but when I go to work I leave the personal baggage at the door.....when I log on to WoW and in vent I leave the irl baggage at the door.....precisely for this reason. Not that being a mormon is a big a shock to people as being gay, transgender, or disabled in some way, but its still opening the door to a bunch of crap. I keep trade off for this reason unless I have legit us for it. I just don't understand why you would take into the game things you already get enough IRL crap over.And for those who don't understand my mormon angle, I live in Cali, where even though I have gay friends and plenty of proffessional working relationships with gay people, I'm still labeled a hateful discriminating bastard by many just because of a religous belief.
10-15-2010 @ 11:38AM
As mentioned in a reply to the previous comment, it's not often possible for gay people to "leave their baggage"Imagine if you had an annoying, immortal parrot grafted onto your shoulder that shouted "MORMON!" every time you pressed your Vent mic button. Transgendered people can't generally change their voices until and unless they actually get medical assistance. Talking on Vent is like a permanent sign telling people you're not normal.
10-15-2010 @ 11:49AM
As was already clearly explained in the post, leaving "the personal baggage at the door" isn't an option when voice reveals the difference. Some guilds require vent and some people make friends online and that's harder to do if you have to hide who you are. So your advice, well-meaning or not, doesn't seem to apply too wel in this case. As for Mormonism, I'm sure you have a ton of gay friends, but how much of your money went to Proposition 8?
10-15-2010 @ 1:25PM
@Cyrus, not a penny....as I have a personal belief against funding political campaigns regardless of candidate or issue.Although considering now that corporations have a green light to pump millions into political campaigns (thank you stupid Supreme Court)....any piddly donation I would make wouldn't matter anyway.
10-15-2010 @ 11:57AM
Exactly. I totally understand how the issues the reader has mentioned would make shim feel uncomfortable, but...It is up to the player to set the boundaries that are right for them. Their are guilds out there that will welcome you with open arms even if you never talk on vent. Maybe a server-transfer and a name change are what's needed for a fresh start.
10-15-2010 @ 12:12PM
I agree with Randy.It is my belief that while certain things are right and wrong, it is not my place to hurt someone. My question becomes, do I have the right to ask that certain kinds of conversations be postponed till I am no longer required to pay attention, such as during a raid, without ending up being considered a "Hater", or without hurting someone's feelings? I do not have a problem with someone being what ever they are. I do have problems with people going out to hurt others. And I do have a problem with ANY issue being shoved down my throat. If I don't agree with a situation, I ignore the situation, and focus on something else. It just occurs to me that would not be possible in a raid type situation.
10-15-2010 @ 12:21PM
Frankly? If you voted for Prop 8, you ARE a hateful discriminating bastard.Also, the "some of my best friends-" line gets really old. You're not a good friend if you vote to strip them of their civil rights.
10-15-2010 @ 12:44PM
I'd like to point out that Randy didn't specify that he voted for or against Prop 8; he only mentioned the assumptions people make when they find out his religion. I am a mormon, I did not vote for or support prop 8, and none of my money went towards prop 8 support or promotion. There are actually a lot of mormons who were opposed to it ~ the mormon community is predominantly conservative and (usually) republican, but that does not mean there aren't some of liberal / democratic mormons out there as well.
10-15-2010 @ 12:48PM
Randy didn't say anything about supporting Prop 8, so don't jump to conclusions - otherwise you're doing the exact same thing that other people are complaining about the Mormons doing.
10-15-2010 @ 4:16PM
@Randy You're lucky you can, just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to pass as the opposite gender on vent? Have you ever tried to have a passable voice? If you can whip that out right away, damn, good on ya. If not, well, how able do you think you will be able to "leave your baggage" when it is part of your very body (your throat). Sure, you don't need to tell anyone about what is between your legs, but if you DO need to tell them "healer is iceblocked" they will find out anyway.
10-15-2010 @ 1:29PM
True, which is why I said "if". Randy didn't say one way or the other, but I do know people who voted for it and have used the "religious belief" argument, and I wanted to make it clear that IF he fell into that category, then being called a "hateful discriminating bastard" was fully justified and called for. Or as Dan Savage said about a related topic, "I'm sorry your feelings were hurt by my comments. No, wait. I'm not. Gay kids are dying. So let's try to keep things in perspective: Fuck your feelings."If this doesn't apply to Randy, then kudos to him.
10-15-2010 @ 3:40PM
"I have a personal belief against funding political campaigns regardless of candidate or issue.""Randy didn't say anything about supporting Prop 8, so don't jump to conclusions - otherwise you're doing the exact same thing that other people are complaining about the Mormons doing."Fair enough, maybe I shouldn't have made assumptions. I brought it up because he said he was a Mormon IN CALIFORNIA, and this thread is about a closely related issue, so it seemed relevant. According to Wikipedia, about 45 percent of out-of-state contributions to the main Proposition 8 group came from Utah (over three times any other state), 80 to 90 percent of early volunteers were members of the LDS church, and the church was fined for violating campaign finance policies. That being said, maybe Randy didn't financially contribute to or volunteer for the church during that time, and if so, my assumption that he did was infair and I apologize. If he did, though, then, well, yeah, he supported Proposition 8.
10-15-2010 @ 6:17PM
Barely contributing here, but I can change my voice on vent to be more than passable for female. We had a voice-acting contest the other day, it was interesting. I got 2nd (1st went to our guild leader. I can do female, he can do MORGAN FREEMAN).
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