Raid Rx: Post-patch healing thoughts

That was one thorough beating I took on that last raid night. Raiding on patch day is one thing. Healing on patch day is something else entirely. There are so many factors and variables that cause troubling issues. I don't even know where to begin. If you're having difficulties healing your raid, you can rest assured it probably isn't your fault.
Well, maybe not entirely. I'd chalk it up to stuff like:
- learning the new skills and abilities
- other classes learning their new skills and abilities
- awesome bugs in Icecrown Citadel
- performance issues like lag
- lack of familiar addons
We didn't spend a ton of time on actual bosses. A good chunk was spent waiting for players to connect, finalizing glyphs, grabbing gems or acquiring updated addons. The end of the night resulted in a kill of Lord Marrowgar on heroic after a handful of wipes. So my experience largely consists of raiding with some FPS (frames per second) issues in a slightly short-handed raiding environment. We cleared trash with about 15 and started first pulls on the boss with 21. Yes, it was less than ideal circumstances.
But I really, really wanted us to play with our spells. So alas, not much of a directed discussion today. Today's post will be a myriad of scattered thoughts and observations.
I decided to go holy for most of the night. Don't get me wrong! I like discipline. I wanted to try discipline. But I felt the learning curve for playing holy was higher and I wanted to get a jump on mastering that particular spec. To be more specific, I wanted to grasp Chakra in a raid environment. I started the night sticking mostly with the Renew Chakra. Raid healing was the job I assigned myself. I need to consciously remember to actually activate my Holy Word spells. I forget that it's there. One would think with all the beta playing I've been doing, I would've remembered to do that by now.
I think what I need is an addon on my screen that says Holy Word is up or that my Chakra isn't activated. I suppose I could rely on Post-It notes. More visual cues are needed, but that could be a product of a learn to play issue on my end.
About halfway through our attempts, I decided to try a slightly different change of pace. I switched to a Prayer of Healing Chakra instead and focused strictly on AoE spell usage of Circle of Healing and Prayer of Healing. Naturally, I drained my mana more quickly than usual. I became quite envious of discipline priests and their seeming inability to drain mana. But since Rapture will activate every 6 seconds now and the fact that a holy priest is unable to tech into Archangel and Evangelism, it is understandable. I've had to push for extra Innervates. I may even need to resort back to the mana regeneration flask as well as keep my stack of mana potions topped off. From my glances at the mana bars for the healers, I think I was the only one that was whipping through mana. The rest appeared to be stable (or at least, they have enough to do the job and then some).
How are you doing, paladins? I imagine this must be a really rough moment. Having a new resource in holy power must take a bit of getting used to. Just having extra healing spells at your disposal must be daunting as you try to figure out when to use which spell at what moment.
Druids must feel awesome right now. I was looking at the numbers and they seem to be skyrocketing to the top in a big way.
Actually, it felt to me that healing was up across the board on all classes and specs. I wonder if that's a product of players just taking additional damage and our having spells that hit way harder.
The bugs in Icecrown were hilarious. We had a hard time trying to isolate why our tanks were getting destroyed in the earlier attempts. Apparently, it seemed as if the frontal cleave attack that Marrowgar does was much narrower than before, which means that it would occasionally not hit the other soak tanks. Here are some more that I picked up when I was browsing the dungeons and raid forums.
- Festergut places Vile Gas on everyone at range, no matter how spread out you are.
- Rotface does the same.
- Double the mana pool on Lady Deathwhisper (that explains why we were working twice as hard).
- Professor Putricide throws Malleable Goo at everyone who is ranged.
Did any healing teams feel the loss of Judgement of Light? Even though the reputation of the ability varies from paladin to paladin, I won't deny that in a post patch world, the loss of its presence can be felt.
Hey shaman, just a friendly request. Stop casting Earthquake. I know it is a ton of fun. Unfortunately, I can't see the bad stuff on the ground and it's affecting my survivability. I heard that has something to do with a messed up projected textures, however. Won't blame you too much, but don't get too crazy with it, OK?
That summarizes just about everything that was going on through my head. Now I have to settle the players in my guild who are understandable angry and frustrated with their lack of numbers. Ghostcrawler did toss a post up covering some of the balances they were planning to introduce.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Mugutu Oct 15th 2010 5:09PM
-- I think what I need is an addon on my screen that says Holy Word is up or that my Chakra isn't activated. I suppose I could rely on post it notes. More visual cues are needed, but that could be a product of a learn to play issue on my end.
Power Auras is still working.
Emile Oct 15th 2010 6:26PM
While reading I thought I'd comment exactly what you said, so: ^^ this
Also, I just got to updat to a fresh 4.0xxxx version =D
Talarian Oct 15th 2010 7:02PM
Though slightly unrelated to the column, I'm having Feral - Cat/Bear issues with Power Auras. The abilities were renamed and now I can't seem to get Power Auras to identify them, even though I've updated the add-on and updated the individual auras to reflect the same spell name that shows up in macros when shift-left-clicking. Any help?
Also, druid healing is pretty strong. I haven't yet seen my mana pool dip below 80% (and have never once used innervate), and I have even passed up both Wild Growth and Tree of Life in favor of other talents. I've been able to simply Rejuvenate/Regrowth/Nourish/Swiftmend my way to healing victory...
EtaoinShrdlu Oct 15th 2010 5:17PM
I actually healed 10/12 though an icc pug last night, and while admittedly it was only 10m normal, surprisingly, I almost found it easier. I had enough mana regen to constantly spam healing wave, and with a little moderation, chain heal as well. Just one data point, but thought I'd throw in my two cents.
kerese Oct 15th 2010 5:27PM
I raided ICC10 last night as a holy pally and I can confirm some of the things you posted. Firstly, Resto druids are very effective at the moment. Our resto druid was doing 2-3 times more healing than me, with no mana problems. It helped that our dps was extraordinarily good (we 9-manned fester, rot, and PP with a group that hasn't killed LK yet, 1 wipe for all three bosses).
I am having issues with holy pally healing. I did a little more than 3k hps, which in itself isn't very good. But I also just felt useless. Maybe its because I am so used to casting 20k holy lights, but my heals just felt like they didnt do anything. Even a 3-HP word of glory on a tank would disappear with the next boss melee swing. I am going to continue to adjust my spell usage (especially since I used Flash of Light too much--its hard not to when you never run out of mana) but I would love to hear some other holy pally thoughts on healing. And now they are taking away speed of light from HL, FoL, and DL...I'm not sure why the nerf is coming to us.
So anyways, healing went fine, but it was not because of my holy pally heals. Restro druids are imba right now, and RDPS is absurd. We are going to try to continue tonight, but to be honest I am more concerned about Valithria than I am for BPC or BQ.
Roggle Oct 15th 2010 5:48PM
I was in an ICC10 healing as a Holy Paladin with a Holy Priest last night, and actually I felt mostly the opposite. While Holy Light itself was nowhere near enough to maintain any sort of respectable HPS on our tanks and raid, frequent use of Holy Shock (especially on Daybreak procs) and replacing Holy Light with Divine Light on tank heals when they're taking substantial damage brought my personal healing up to a pretty satisfying level.
It'll definitely take some getting used to all the new heals and seeing such a reduction in the amount healed by Holy Light, but I'm liking the direction it's heading. And that may or may not be mostly attributed to how fun Disco Heal (that is, Light of Dawn) is when your raid actually stacks to allow it to work to full potential.
benbettis Oct 15th 2010 7:33PM
"And now they are taking away speed of light from HL, FoL, and DL...I'm not sure why the nerf is coming to us. "
I wasn't aware of this :( Do you have a link to post?
It makes some sense though, as haste has rapidly devalued for us; I've reforged most of my haste to mastery.
rainbowblack Oct 15th 2010 5:28PM
havent played since july, gunna jump back in tonight
hold me...
Matthew Oct 15th 2010 6:38PM
baby, you need more than a hold. you need a straight jacket! :-)
Camaris Oct 15th 2010 5:36PM
As a paladin, It's a bit of work getting used to new spells, a new resource and a suddenly very important cooldown: that of Holy Shock.
I'm currently working on a 'base' of Holy Shock -> Holy Light x2 -> Holy Shock, with a Word of Glory when available, and Light of Dawn for fun. Divine Light can replace Holy Light if required, but Flash of Light seems too expensive for use, and has become an emergency heal.
I do miss the group benefit of judging. Now I only get haste from it, and it seems a bit odd to have to cast a DPS spell to get a healing buff.
The Dewd Oct 15th 2010 5:36PM
I'm a feral/feral (yes, I have both a cat and a bear spec) druid for a main. I have a holy paladin in 4/5 T10 gear (thank you emblem->point conversion!) and I'm still fumbling around a lot. It's gotten a bit better now that I'm getting used to having more spells but one of the reasons I liked Paladin healing so much is that it reminded me of Druid healing at level 60 - there just weren't that many buttons.
I keep forgetting that I've got a new heal and the first instance I ran I forgot that Holy Light is the new Flash of Light and that the new spell (whose name I can never remember) is the new Holy Light. I couldn't figure out where my 15-19k crit heals had gone to.
I'm getting used to the new frontal cone heal but I'm running out of buttons to put my spells into. I've already had to make a mouseover macro for Cleanse and might wind up having to do the the same for my healing spells because there's just not enough time to click on people for healing. (I do use Clique but even binding to that feels slow at this point.)
The new "triage" mindset for healing it starting to settle in and I even brought my Pally to a 4-man ZG run just to get some extra practice learning where all my buttons are, key-wise. I'm REALLY looking forward to Cataclysm for healing, though, because the idea of being a front-line healer that gets to melee (more than I was pre 4.0.1 in outgeared heroics) sounds pretty freakin' cool.
tonz0phun Oct 15th 2010 5:38PM
Raided ICC10 for the first time since the patch Wednesday night and finished it up last night as a Holy Paladin. Once I figured out how to get HealBot working (downloaded the Alpha version ^_^) and setting up my spells for my mouse, I didn't have any problem healing.
Divine Light replaced Holy Light, Holy Light replaced Flash of Light and Holy Shock is my go to spell now. I don't even think I cast a single FoL at all last night, why bother when HS is instant and heals for more? AND OMG! I LOVE LIGHT OF DAWN! I am in love with that spell! Switching around some trinkets and my weapon to get some more Spirit was a big help to keep mana regenerating during the fight, as well as the mana regen flask.
I love the way paladins heal now. I'm doing a lot more than just casting Holy Light! ^_^
Michael Oct 15th 2010 5:43PM
I haven't raided with my resto druid yet, but my general experience in heroics so far is that the Tree of Life button gives resto druids their own personal bloodlust/heroism with only a 3 min cooldown. Making Regrowth instant cast for 45 seconds out of every 3 min is awesome. My guess is they'll end up nerfing that down to a 5 min cooldown before Cata hits. But, right now, I'm loving it (which was NOT what I expected when they made the change.
Finnicks Oct 15th 2010 5:46PM
I don't expect them to nerf it.
Yes, instant Regrowths are crazy powerful, but 30 seconds of instant regrowths eats through 40% of my 40k mana pool.
However, Lifebloom spam in Tree Form? Holy god. AMAZING.
Lissanna Oct 15th 2010 5:52PM
At level 85, you can't spam regrowth constantly for 30 seconds or you run OOM, so mana issues at 85 cause it to be more balanced.
Finnicks Oct 15th 2010 5:44PM
Our ICC raid last night's main problem, aside from healing difficulties, was people so busy learning their new class that they forgot to get out of the proverbial fire.
Watching 6 people get blown up instantaneously by a 60k Empowered Flame Orb because everyone was within 5 yards of Prince Taldaram, including the Empowered Flame Orb target? Not fun. Watching both tanks get one-shot because they forgot to run away from the Deformed Fanatics in Heroic Deathwhisper? Equally unfun. Watching our hunter die because she jumped to the other ship before the offtank, who had forgotten his jump pack and had to run the long way around? Humorous.
(I also tanked Keleseth as Destruction for the first time last night because Searing Pain no longer sucks, it seems. I had over 400k threat before the orb jumped to him. Soulfire spam as Demonology pre-patch would see me to 230k or so.)
Homeschool Oct 15th 2010 5:52PM
We cancelled our Tuesday night raid for some practice heroic chains, but Wednesday we went in to Icecrown. Here's how we did:
Marrowgar: "...Wait, he's dead?"
Deathwhisper: "I CAN'T SEE Death and Decay!" "ADDS ARE UP, ADDS ARE UP!" "GHOSTS!"
Gunship: "I fell off the side, and now I'm at the graveyard without a ghost gryphon... Crap."
Pre-Saurfang: "Can't res, I'm stuck in combat...?" "Something's hitting in me!" "Why are we dying?" ... (Turned out to be an invisible mob named "Martyr Stalker (IGB)". Once we found it, the Mage killed it in short order. After three people died. ;))
Saurfang was the best. Given how much extra DPS and healing we were putting out, the raid leader decided to try Heroic-mode AND one-healing... But I somehow missed this. ;)
So, I (as the Disc Priest) was solo-healing Heroic Saurfang, and at this point, it's about possible. Had I known, I might have been better prepared to pop more cooldowns at the appropriate points, but even with two Marks up (one on me, one on a tank), we nearly made it. Got him down to about 10% before the damage output got so drastic that both I and the tank dropped at about the same time.
I'd say at this point, Disc's sheer numbers aren't quite high enough to breeze through unaided, but just about. As long as the damage is spread pretty stably, it's easy enough to keep up, and mana is no concern at all.
It was a fun night!
Wraithanne Oct 15th 2010 5:50PM
Holy priest here, seemed like I was burning through mana like crazy no matter what I did during our normal 10-man. I found I was using Greater Heal more than I have since Vanilla since Flash Heal spamming guarantees wiping the mana pool. Also the longer cooldown on Prayer of Mending has really thrown my timing off. I found I was using the AOE chakra more than the renew one. Heal seems a bit useless.
We cleared up to Plague Wing with zero problems the first night, Sindragosa with some on the second night. DPS is way the hell up.
The upside is, I was putting out some really wicked heal numbers, sometimes doubling the other healers on some fights.
We had someone playing Disc in the same raid and he never once had mana problems but his healing throughput wasn't as good. I think that may be learning the new playstyle tho.
Our Holy Pally on the second night was also having mana issues. Resto shams seem fine as well as druids.
TTFK Oct 15th 2010 5:53PM
"YOU NO TAKE EARTHQUAKE!"
:P
Be careful about making Elemental Shamans angry... The fact that they can burn 75% their mana pool on spamming 741mana (with clearcasting) near-GCD-locked 8-13k Healing Surges when things get tight without worrying about being OOM afterwards thanks to the new regen talents, those Earthquake fanatics just might be your saving grace when the poo-poo hits the blades.
Yomamma Oct 15th 2010 6:39PM
OK, I will admit it...I have been an earthquake spammer the past couple of days. Ele Shamans have been without a nice AOE spell, and now that we get one, I'm like a kid in a candy store. I just want to share that giant rumbling reces peanut butter cup with everybody!! Not to mention when I combine it with Magma Totem, and fire nova, I'm topping the DPS charts on AOE trash. And although I really miss instant cast Ghost Wolf, how cool it is to be able to cast it indoors now! It's a great time to be an Elemental Shaman!!