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10-18-2010 @ 7:47PM
While I don't care for Knaak, I did enjoy his WoW books for at least expanding the lore and giving me an excuse to read more about it. I don't understand this constant whining about his super powered characters, when we're the ones that 10-manned Arthas while Rhonin sat in some tower somewhere. If you're going to complain about Knaak, complain about his tendency to repeat specific words and phrases. I swear he ends almost every sentence with the word 'Surely'.Christie Golden is a great writer, sure. I'm not denying that in any way. But saying that 'she gave Blizzard their first New York Times bestselling novel' is just not true. The Wotlk release, coupled with thousands of hungry WoW fans and ridiculous amounts of advertising gave Blizzard their first NTY bestselling novel. Don't kid yourself into believing that she did all the work. She's not even writing her own material, for craps sake.
10-18-2010 @ 8:48PM
Good point, but there's a difference between "10 or 25 nameless heroes who played into Arthas's convoluted plan, and had to saved by Tirion and the ghost of Terenas" and "Hai! Let your orbs behold the visage of Mage Rhonin, the fiery-haired Mage! Deathwing wanted me as a minion, and all the other Dragons are my best friends. The 3rd Windrunner is my personal baby-cannon. I can train Raptors as an army of Hunter pets, even though I'm a Mage. Did you know my visage was the Priest who married Malfurion and Tyrande, even though I'm a Mage? MAGE!"
10-18-2010 @ 9:03PM
"...the 3rd Windrunner is my personal baby-cannon..." I laughed until I farted with that line.
10-18-2010 @ 10:32PM
@AlI'm not denying that Rhonin and Knaaks characters aren't Mary Sue's or anything. But I at least recognize that, you know, Blizzard PAYS Knaak to write this stuff. It's not like he sits in the Knaakcave and writes random shit and calls it lore. Blizzard gives him an outline and he writes about it. Then they read it, decide whether or not they WANT it to be canon, and then they make it so.Besides, it's not like Rhonin just POOFED this shit into happening. There were books about it. He went through journeys, like all characters, and if any of the haters had actually read the books and decided to critique it fairly, Rhonin started out as a nobody. He SUCKED when he started. And hey, while I find the entire Rhonin time travelling thing to be really wacky, I remind myself that Rhonin was powerless through the first half of that book. I also remind myself that due to my night elf hunter, Arthas got to make it through the culling of Stratholme. And because of that same hunter, I helped Medivh open the dark portal. Nothing Rhonin has done has been any less 'wtf' than any of the lore moments caused by players in WoW. Blizzard no doubt knows this.I'm not necesarrily defending Knaak here. As I said, I am NOT a fan of his and I think his books are, at least from a technical standpoint, garbage. I just don't think it's fair the way he's destroyed by the haters that refuse to even think about what they're saying. Food for thought: Deathwing. You know the big fella, right? And his buddies, Ysera, Malygos, so on and so forth? Knaak played a pivotal role in these characters. He, more or less, created them. And it's because of Knaak's Deathwing that we're going to enjoy Cataclysm so much.Just saying. The guy isn't some sort of evil WoW fanfic writing supervillain. He HAS done some good, people just don't give a shit anymore.
10-18-2010 @ 10:50PM
Rhonin's "nobody" backstory would have been better if it had been expounded on, rather than "Woe is me, I stink.. oh well, sudenly the Kirin Tor and Prestor think I'm awesome." I haven't read it yet, but my understanding of the Sunwell series is:Naive girl who is really powerful, a Knight, a magician and a bitter woman meet up. Naive girl falls in love, then gives up her humanity and returns to her original form to stop a fallen Ruler and the giant red Demon he summoned. I'm showing my age here, but it sounds like he watched The Last Unicorn before he wrote it.
10-19-2010 @ 12:54AM
@AmetrineI can't claim that line. I think it was one of the KYL writers, I forget who exactly.
10-19-2010 @ 5:26AM
@ioncat: Pretty much sums up all my feelings about the Knaak hate train. Most people don't really know why they don't like Knaak; probably say so because "all the cool kids are doing it".@Al: The Rhonin backstory had been "expounded on", you just haven't read it, like you said so yourself.
10-19-2010 @ 5:54AM
@Sal: Try again, fanboy. I've got the omnibus edition of War of the Ancients sitting on my bookshelf next to all three volumes of the Sunwell Trilogy. And read every one of those to the bitter end, long after I'd wanted to stab something sharp and pointy into my dead, ebon "orbs".Of course, on the shelf directly beneath them are Neil Gaiman, George R.R. Martin, (P)terry Pratchett and Stephen Brust novels, which should give you an indicator of just why I think Knaak sucks. I've read fantasy authors that can actually write.
10-19-2010 @ 5:11PM
@Kylenne: Try again what? I'm just saying most people don't like Knaak citing he created too-powerful characters, which is a pretty ridiculous reason (Blizzard hired him to write those characters FFS), and probably because other people says it, including our reviewer here.I don't like Knaak's writing either, but at least I know why I don't like him. There's really no need to call my a "fanboy" because I potentially disagree with you on something.
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