BlizzCon 2010: Dungeons and Raids Live Blog

Eastern: 4:30 p.m.
Central: 3:30 p.m.
Pacific: 1:30 p.m.
This live blog is happening right here on WoW Insider, not on Joystiq. The live blog right after the break.
1:23 p.m. PDT - People are filtering in. Starting soon.
1:30 p.m. - Here we go!
1:30 p.m. - Cory Stockton, Scott Mercer on stage, talking about the dungeons and raids coming up in Cataclysm.
1:31pm - Patch 4.1 info coming out.
1:32pm - Classic Heroics are key aspects of the new expansion.
1:32pm - Initial release of Deadmines and Shadowfang Keep. New quests and encounters in the dungeons.
1:33pm - All quests for the dungeon will appear in the dungeon right at the front, including all classic dungeons. No info if it's Wrath and BC.
1:34pm - Normal difficulty versions of old world dungeons are updated as well for Deadmines and Shadowfang keep.
1:35pm - Goals of classic dungeon redesign:
- Less confusing
- Shorter. Mara is bad for new players.
- More fun.
- Dungeon wings (like S.M. wings)
- Uldaman and Maraudon getting broken up? They're showing examples of how to break up old classic dungeons into smaller wings / dungeons.
- Trimming things that don't work well from dungeons, sections that might be to long, etc... No fighting trash for too long.
- Sunken Temple is going to get trimmed up. Cut off the last big half of the dungeon (bottom floor). Sunken Temple changes will be in on release of Cataclysm.
- Wailing Caverns is getting trimmed up.
- More raid zones for ship
- Coolest encounters yet
- Bite-sized chunks -- Really want raids to be done in one night.
- Content for everyone
- Flexible (ie: Flexible raid locks)
- Evolution of Lich King raids (Ulduar - Heroic Encounters, Trail of the Crusader - Heroic Raids, Icecrown - Dynamic Difficulty )
- Blizzard knows about getting easy heroic loot off the boat (no nerf announcement though).
- Normal difficulty raid progress is saved on your character.
- You can join multiple normal raids of either size
- You can only defeat each boss once
- Heroic difficulty works just like it did in Wrath (once you kill a heroic boss, you're locked to that raid group with that raid id).
- Helps players with erratic play schedule
- Real life emergency doesn't end your raiding for the week
- Raid leaders have more schedule and roster flexibility
- Firelands raid (Elemental plane of fire). Part of Hyjal.
- Firelands raid sends you to the home of Raganaros!
- Will give the backstory of Rag and the quest lines of Hyjal.
- Firelands raid will have 7 bosses.
- Layout of Firelands raid (coming up in pictures soon)
- Will fight Rag in Sulferion Keep.
- Will be similar to Hyjal raid in that you fight bosses out doors, but then you'll go into Sulferion Keep and fight Rag. You'll be able to use your mount to get to various places.
- Abyssal Maw Dungeon (Elemental Plane of Water).
- Blizzard will always try to deliver a 5man dungeons with a patch now.
- Abyssal Maw will be nothing like Oculus.
- You'll play under water, on risen areas, and travel from one to the next. You'll not be on mounts (it sounds like), but you will be under water.
- New Cataclysm Tech: When you touch the ground under water, you lock to the ground and can then "walk" under water.
- Abyssal Maw is going to feel a lot like Throne of the Tides, we want them to feel similar, but get different experiences.
- Response for Wrath maps was very strong.
- Every single dungeon in the game will get 2D maps in Cataclysm.
2:02pm - Enhanced maps:
- Tried to make it into Cataclysm, couldn't.
- Details boss info on your map.
- Shows what loot drops per boss.
- Lore, loot, and abilities of the boss on the map.
- They want you to get WoW Head info inside of WoW and not have to go out of the game.
- 3D portraits of the bosses.
- Will work in both dungeons and raids.
2:07pm - Q&A time
Any plans to make a more strict looting system with the LFG system to prevent ninja looting?
In the beta we're more strict to allow people roll on items. If the people can't wear it, they shouldn't be able to get it.
With 10 & 25 man raids having the same loot, what do you think of the balancing and making them the same difficulty?
It's very hard, we think we can make difficult encounters for both 10 and 25, roughly the same difficulty. There will be bumps and bruises along the way, but we can get to the same difficulty. We know it's an extremely high priority.
It's kind of weird that we have 7 or 8 bosses on heroic ICC that are easier than normal Lich King.
Lich King is a special encounter for us, it's Wrath of the Lich King, so we wanted to make it super hard difficulty. There's always going to be a little bit of variation in difficulty.
Are you going to go back and change the way the shadowmorune fragments drop, make them drop on 10man?
That's a good point, we don't know the answer. It's a great suggestion. I don't see why we woudln't.
Are you going to change BRD?
Breaking up BRD is really super tricky. What we did was put in teleporters. Similar to Ulduar. Teleporters at the entrence, bar, and the city somewhere. Graveyards are super close. Graveyards no further than 30 seconds away from any dungeon.
Have you ever considered a raid observation system? Could they spectate through, say the view of the main tank? So they can learn the fights and be involved at least watching.
We don't have a plan for that, but it's a cool idea.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Rathwirt Oct 22nd 2010 4:48PM
@nangus
Yes most do Eastern and Pacific, but Mr. Holisky lives in Central time, so I'm sure it's just natural for him to write that as well.
Al Oct 22nd 2010 4:49PM
Point taken, everything should be about you.
Kylenne Oct 22nd 2010 5:02PM
@nikdaheratik: Don't forget a New York Minute. Time is money, friend.
Grovinofdarkhour Oct 22nd 2010 5:08PM
An American blog by American writers about an American game made by an American company should do a better job of making sure you don't feel excluded just because you happen to live outside of America. Yeah, if I was them I'd put a ton of effort into that.
Maybe a better solution would just be to resist the urge to feel slighted at the drop of a hat?
I know it's hard, but seriously, they're not out to hurt your feelings. I promise.
Al Oct 22nd 2010 5:14PM
You're quite right Grovin, pointing out the pointlessness of mentioning the time zones only one hour apart while skipping GMT was being a crybaby.
I guess it's harder for Americans to add by 1 than for everyone else to root around changing their clock settings. (Huh.. this Reductio ad absurdum is fun, I get why everyone's doing it.)
Galestrom Oct 22nd 2010 5:24PM
You know what's profoundly rad? Analog-style atomic clocks. We're coming up on a time-change you know, and I'm not going to have to lift a finger to set the one I have. It'll totally adjust itself. Like Magic.
Pretty swanky, eh?
Al Oct 22nd 2010 5:30PM
By "we", you mean you, of course.
"He said something wasn't about him! That means he doesn't think it should be about us! That GMT universal time is the tool of the devil!" That's your cue to downvote this.
eyeprod420 Oct 22nd 2010 4:23PM
I liked Wrath. All the bosses don't need to have their own mechanics. It's nice to go into a fight and not always have to learn special mechanics for every boss.
Moonfaxx Oct 22nd 2010 4:25PM
"Wow, grandpa. Tell us more about how when you were younger, it was the cool thing to say 'First' on an Internet thread. It's so fascinating. The time you lived in must've been really cool."
*Grandpa finds himself in a rest home*
nangus Oct 22nd 2010 4:31PM
someone needs to do a bit of Javascript so that we can leave the window open and not need to hit refresh constantly. It is like 3 lines to have auto refresh.
Malenx Oct 22nd 2010 4:55PM
It's super quick to install a simple addon into Firefox that auto-refreshes your page.
Ed Oct 22nd 2010 4:31PM
I have a feeling this year's WoW panels are going to basically be Blizzard showing us beta footage of stuff what we've already seen on youtube from people like TotalBiscuit.
Kylenne Oct 22nd 2010 5:04PM
That's why I didn't bother buying the PPV or fighting for a ticket this year. To me the only possible reason to go this year would be for the usual nerd camaraderie but I can't justify that kind of expense in this economy.
RetPallyJil Oct 22nd 2010 4:31PM
If it's anything like the keynote address:
"There will be raids and dungeons in Cataclysm. Bosses will drop loot. Now - HERE'S THE ORIGINAL WOW CINEMATIC! WOO!"
Galestrom Oct 22nd 2010 4:33PM
Thats it. If I'm not AT Blizzcon next year, I'm totally buying the feed. :)
Pyromelter Oct 22nd 2010 4:36PM
"All quests for the dungeon will appear in the dungeon right at the front, including all classic dungeons. No info if it's Wrath and BC."
This just makes sense. I'm glad blizzard continues to improve the quest and dungeon experience. Never seemed to make sense why someone a continent away would care about a dungeon; if there's something going on in there you want done, you would be right there wouldn't you?
Angus Oct 22nd 2010 4:43PM
I don't know. It seemed pretty important to the people in the Barrens to see what was going on in the wailing caverns... Made sense for the people at the Crossroads to have adventurers go check when they were constantly having to wait on the Rez timers from all the Alliance attacks...
Poddo Oct 22nd 2010 4:43PM
That's why all of the presidents in history have camped out at the base camps for wars, amirite?
nangus Oct 22nd 2010 4:50PM
As far as I can remember I do not think that any president has ever assigned individual missions. Excepting of coarse during anytime spent as a captain or general.
(cutaia) Oct 22nd 2010 5:02PM
"As far as I can remember I do not think that any president has ever assigned individual missions."
You don't remember the time Reagan was offering 23 dollars and a leather vest to anyone who brought back the heads of 8 Russians?