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10-22-2010 @ 8:21PM
Warriors had massive buffs after the first week of patch 4.01 and are doing more damage than anyone I'm seeing right now. Plus, I love the changes to the dps rotation. Love where warriors are right now.
10-22-2010 @ 8:45PM
"Warriors had massive buffs after the first week of patch 4.01 and are doing more damage than anyone I'm seeing right now."Color me skeptical. IME, while things *have* gotten more balanced since the patch dropped, Warriors aren't back at the top of the pack. And I'm in a Light of Dawn guild with some very skilled and well geared DPS.
10-22-2010 @ 9:14PM
I'm punching above my weight on trash and adds with well-timed Bladestorms and Sweeping Strikes — that's for certain. While the spec is as dependent on weapon damage as ever, it also means that upgrades are memorable events.I still think Arms could use a touch more oomph, perhaps simply in the form of a damage boost to or cost reduction for Slam; or damage redistributed to white attacks; but at the moment I'm happy to be both contributing *and* competing. Overpower, comin' atcha.
10-22-2010 @ 9:16PM
World of logs would like to have a word with your warriors then who are likely underperforming the current state of warriors.Looking at WoL now, and these are all scores posted in this week (all on heroic 25man): 2 of the top 10 scores for Marrowgar (there are 3, but one of them is a doubling of the same guy)3 of the top 10 on Lady Dnone for Saurfang or Fester but there are some in the top 50 and plenty that are close to the top dps for those fights7 of the top 10 on Rotfacenone on putricide (favors ranged/casters)3 of top 10 on Princes2 of top 10 on BQLDreamwalker scores are bugged because of a-hole unholy dk's that case Unholy Frenzy on the dragon, but fury is trouncing mages on that fightnone in top 10 for sindra, but 4 in the top 50None in top 10 for LK25H, but plenty in the top 100Also, our fury warrior's best dps on Saurfang pre-patch was 16k. He did over 20k this week. That score was good enough for a top 20 for fury warriors on 25m normal.The bottom line: The numbers don't lie. Warriors got buffed and are doing damage that is comparable with top dps specs in the game. If the warriors in your guild are lagging, it's a problem with what they are doing, not how the spec is doing.
10-22-2010 @ 9:45PM
@Pyromelter:That's not "more damage than anyone I'm seeing." That's "good damage." You can tell which damage is "the most" by who is "#1."
10-22-2010 @ 10:12PM
Sleut, my evidence is not in support of my statement. The only thing I can do to support my statement is tell you how far above and beyond the fury warrior in my guild is above me (a mage) and the 2 locks who are very good in my guild.My point was in refutation of your statement "Warriors aren't back at the top of the pack."The evidence would show that they are. Your warriors, assuming they have shadowmourne and are equally geared with the rest of your guild's dps, should be in the top 3 on marrowgar, lady d, saurfang, festergut, rotface, princes, bloodqueen, and dreamwalker (assuming your unholy dk's aren't asshats). Otherwise they are lagging.
10-22-2010 @ 11:02PM
@Pyromelter:Let's look at those numbers, shall we? Here are the current top-10 counts for every ICC25 Heroic boss.Marrowgar:Arcane 1Fury 3 (#2, 3, 8)Balance 4Fire 2LDW:Balance 3Destro 1Affl 1Arcane 1Fury 3 (#6-8)Fire 1Saurfang:Arcane 2Fire 5Balance 1Affl 1Destro 1Fester:Arcane 2Balance 6Fire 1Affl 1Rot:Fury 7 (#1, 2, 4, 5, 8-10)Affl 1Balance 2Putricide:Balance 5Arcane 3Fire 1Affl 1BPC:Affl 2Balance 5Fury 3 (#3, 6, 10)BQL:Arcane 5Balance 2Fire 1Fury 2 (#8-9)VDW:Unholy 10Sindri:Destro 2Arcane 1Fire 5Affl 2LK:Affl 6Shadow 1Balance 2FrostDK 1Out of eleven (11) bosses, there are five (5) where Fury ranks anywhere in the top ten (10). Out of those, there is only one (1) boss where a Fury Warrior is #1, and only three (3) bosses where they are in the top three. That is *not* a spec that is "doing more damage than anyone I'm seeing right now." It's also not a spec that's having *problems,* but that wasn't the claim I'm objecting to.
10-22-2010 @ 11:36PM
"Your warriors, assuming they have shadowmourne and are equally geared with the rest of your guild's dps,..."Here is the part I have an issue with. Don't see it? I'll make it clearer."...assuming they have shadowmourne..."You do realize that IF they have Shadowmourne they ARE NOT complaining. It's the REST OF THE WARRIOR COMMUNITY WITHOUT IT that is having issues. You cannot compare Warriors WITH Shadowmourne to Warriors WITHOUT it, It's like comparing a fresh 80 to someone in Heroic ICC gear. AND, if you're being out DPSed by ANY Warrior right now YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!! I've seen T9 geared mages pull 13k and our top mage can hit 24k DPS, and he's not even heroic 25 geared.
10-23-2010 @ 12:07AM
"You do realize that IF they have Shadowmourne they ARE NOT complaining."Sleut said he's in a top guild "light of dawn." Most guilds of this caliber have multiple shadowmournes. My points were addressed to him. Also, anyone topping WoL will have close to BiS gear which would, again, include Shadowmourne.My fury warrior does not have shadowmourne. I feel he does appropriate damage for his gear. Fury warriors in top-end gear are doing top-end damage, which is how they are designed. I'm using Citadel Enforcer's Claymore in my MH, and my execute hits are hitting for 9-10k, crits for 18-20k. Heroic strikes are hitting hard. Sleut, you have a complete reading comprehension fail. I said top damage I was seeing. And the evidence I pointed should show you that if your fury warriors are not in the top 3 on the melee-favorable encounters, then they are as fail as your reading comprehension."VDW:Unholy 10"Fury warriors do more damage to the adds than unholy dk's. (Well-played ones anyway). The reason unholy dk's hold the top 60 spots is that they do 7 million damage to Dreamwalker herself! So I will end my commenting here, if you don't have brown streaks at the top of your recount, then it is your warriors who are failing as bad as your reading comprehension.
10-23-2010 @ 9:50AM
Pyromelter:You're moving the goalposts. First, you said that Warriors were "doing more damage than anyone [you are] seeing right now." I said that while Warriors were performing *well* again, they weren't outperforming *everyone*. You then posted a bunch of stuff that showed... that while Warriors were performing *well* again, they weren't outperforming *everyone*."More damage than anyone" doesn't mean "appears in the top ten on *fewer than half* of the fights." *Period.*My guild's geared Fury Warrior just got back from a hiatus, and yes, he is one of our players with Shadowmourne. However, my point remains: Fury is not *the* top, #1, beat-everyone-else spec for even a simple majority of fights right now. Is that nitpicky? Yes. Did you make a claim about your personal experience that couldn't be shown to also apply to *actual* top performance versus *other geared and talented players*? Yes.P.S. I'm a she, not a he.
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