Things are balanced around 85. So no, mages don't need the nerf bat, we just have to get to 85.

Signed,
A mage. x]

@Léona:

Things are *currently* balanced around 85. That doesn't mean it's the way things will stay, that Blizzard is happy with the current 80 or sub-80 balance, or that there aren't still changes incoming.

"Things are balanced around 85. So no, mages don't need the nerf bat, we just have to get to 85."

Ret paladins circa 3.0 would kindly like to disagree.

Amen to that, Heilig. My head is still spinning from the Great Paladin Nerf-fest of 3.0

I was literally cringing every time a patch came out for a while there.

Helig speaks the truth.

Ret Paladin theorycrafters:
"We have every DPS talent available at 80 at 70, we have hit our top for DPS just because of this and scaling will be a problem, please help. Our numbers are huge because we don't have anything we can take to improve them for 10 levels, so we are stupidly good at 70."

Everyone else: "Ret has always been a free HK, now they are killing me, NERF RET!"

GC: "TO THE GROUND!"

Suddenly ret's a joke at 80.

Let's not have a repeat of this again. Yea, the Ret paladin doing 150K Hammers when they pop wings is wrong, yea the overpower one shot of clothies is excessive, yea the instant one-shot pyro/frost/arcan blast stuff at 35 yards is stupid, but let's not get each other all broken to hell at 85 because we aren't the superduper class in a BG for a month.