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10-23-2010 @ 10:54PM
I was hoping they would announce that vanilla character models would be redone for Cata but I guess that was just a pipe dream. x_x
10-24-2010 @ 12:17AM
And racials.There was a comment about racials being something along the lines of the fact that they didn't want racials to be like "if you aren't X race, you are doing it wrong." It would seem that that will be the case for cataclysm unless they change things.Totally agree with the models too. Really blizz, months and months and months and months on one model, and they can't even give a week or two to everyone else out there?
10-24-2010 @ 12:24AM
It was said in the Q&A they want to do a revamp of the orginal races at some point, maybe in a Cata patch.
10-24-2010 @ 3:03AM
We'd all love for some love to be given the Vanilla models, but who can blame them for being slow to change them when they get the horrible backlash nearly every time they DO change a model? (New Tree of Life, anyone? That's just the most recent example.) That, and a model change means they have to re-rig how all the armor, mounts, and animations work for each race/sex. Anybody looked at how your character looks on a DK Skeletal mount since the patch? That likely had to do with rigging for Goblins and Worgens. It's a lot more work than most people know or consider and a truly low priority, which means it's like dance studios. 'Something for the animators to do when they don't have more pressing work.' (That's a paraphrase/best recollection of one of those interviews/Q & A's that popped up here.)My point? They just upped the graphical quality of a lot of things, maybe we'll see it (racial model changes) soon. Learn patience, be less spoiled. As for all the time they spent on the female worgen? How much QQ did we get/are we still getting because it's 'too cute' 'not feral enough'? People are bitching about the Mastiff, a DOG which looks like a DOG- OMG! How long did people ask for a dog that looks like a dog? And now it's not 'bad ass' enough. I'm so glad I'm not a game designer. I'd probably rage-quit, then wait for the next Blizzcon and paintball people waiting in line.
10-24-2010 @ 3:32AM
I was at the art panel. They were asked about this. They said they knew the player character models had fallen behind, and that they were next on the list for refinement.
10-24-2010 @ 5:46AM
Starlin, ty for the update. It's appreciated. :)"but who can blame them for being slow to change them when they get the horrible backlash nearly every time they DO change a model? (New Tree of Life, anyone? That's just the most recent example.)"I'll blame them.The new ToL didn't get "backlash" so much as it got some funny reviews... personally it's not that bad, and depends on how it moves. I think it will turn out fine. And how about all the cat and bear updates? Pretty much all praise, no backlash. Didn't they also update models for Varian Wrynn and Jaina Proudemoore? I thought those ended up being positive changes overall. And the old ToL was virutally universally panned. Yes, I know a lot of druids love their beloved tree form, and I feel for them, but even the most ardent tree-lover would admit that it looks like a piece of dead broccoli.To this point:"That, and a model change means they have to re-rig how all the armor, mounts, and animations work for each race/sex."I'm not a 3d modeler, but my very rudimentary understanding is that if they keep the same basic geometry, it shouldn't be overly taxing. (The discussion in the queue on how robes over-write tabards helped; it was something like each piece of armor has it's own "graphical" slot, so if that's the case, just plugging textures into those slots shouldn't be much more difficult than creating new pieces of armor.)To your other points, you are basically quoting how a lot of people QQ on forums. Forums are where people do nothing but bitch generally. I think the greater wow community is a-okay with a Mastiff; just because a few mouth-breathers want a rabid-looking Rottweiler doesn't mean that most of us think like that.
10-24-2010 @ 7:40AM
I can't be the only one who sees the Mastiff and thinks "Mabari Warhound" can I? Come on. Everyone who played Dragon Age knew Dog (default) was awesome. It makes me want to tame one for my hunter and just name it Mabari.
10-24-2010 @ 8:58AM
Oh, several questions were asked throughout Blizzcon. They said they want to do it and the animators are very excited to do it. They just didn't have the time. They agreed that it was required though and they want to do it rather sooner than later. They said they might get around this in a patch, or a future expansion (of which they're already planning on), so that looks like it is definitely going to happen.
10-24-2010 @ 12:19PM
Redoing old models is probably more challenging than creating whole new ones. The characters need to look way better, but at the same time remain recogniseable in order to be accepted by players. I for one would rather keep the old model of my female Troll (though she really, really at least needs something done with her face), than have her transformed into some character that does no longer resemble her. I want her to blink and look more lively in the face - but at the same time I want her to keep as much of the old expression as needed to not look totally different from the character I created.More important perhaps are animations. New models need new animations as well. I love how my Troll runs, the way she shows the soles of her feet while running is what made me fall in love with the race in the first place. If that was to change, I would be seriously pissed. Same goes for her bow animation or the way she jumps. Movements I see her perform all the time and that are her characteristics to me. They are, at least to me, more important than shiny new models. -- my guess is that they know that there is a thin line not to be crossed when redoing the old models, and thus don't want to hasten the matter. But maybe it's just me being unhealthily attached to my character(s). =)
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