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10-25-2010 @ 3:07PM
You can take the Elitist Jerk out of the Hardcore Guild, but you can't take the Jerk out of him.
10-25-2010 @ 3:18PM
Wow. That guild leader need to grow a pair and /gkick the troublemaker. He refuses to leave? I'm an Officer in out guild and when we have a troublemaker and it's obvious we are better off without him, I give him two options... leave the guild now on your own, or I'm kicking you.
10-28-2010 @ 2:25AM
On the flip side, Storming the Citadel can be done naked, so you have to feel their frustration.
10-25-2010 @ 3:47PM
Wait, why'd I get darkened out? I mean, obviously these guys shouldn't be berating everyone, but, seriously? 2 bosses? They gotta be frustrated.
10-25-2010 @ 3:54PM
So I *did* read that correctly.The problem isn't ennui; it's poor guild leadership.
10-25-2010 @ 4:44PM
If they're frustrated, maybe they should be reconsidering their decision to join a casual guild, rather than morphing the one they joined to suit them (and failing) . This definitely sounds like a failure of leadership though. If two new guys are destroying your raids, you don't ask them to leave, you boot them out.
10-28-2010 @ 3:21PM
Maybe call a guild meeting and figure out what your guild's priorities are. If everyone is content to down a few bosses and call it a week, then let the hardcore raiders know that your guild isn't what they're looking for and ask them to move on. If they refuse, kick them. It may be that others would like to see more raiding as well, not just the few "elite" players. If this is the case, you have two options:1. Approach the two hardcore players with the suggestion that they break off to form a second guild that will be associated with your current one, but not actually part of it. Individuals who are interested in taking on more than a couple of bosses could be encouraged to join this second guild. Emphasise to the rest of your guild mates that this won't be seen as abandonment or jumping ship, and that should they choose to return to your guild that option will be available. You could create a chat channel to speak back and forth between guilds so that people don't feel as separated from their friends. This way, the people who are content to take out one or two bosses a week can continue to do so and people who enjoy the challenge of taking on new bosses get to see new content.2. Suggest that the "hardcore" raiders stay within the guild but create their own raid team. Let them take on the challenge of organizing raids and give them the option of letting people outside the guild be part of their team. People who are willing to commit to the raid team can be encouraged to join, but emphasize the fact that the hardcore players will be in charge, and that ultimately it will be the hardcore players who decide whether a player comes to the raid or not. This may very well lead to the hardcore group breaking off to form their own guild anyway, in which case you get them out of your hair. :)
10-26-2010 @ 8:33AM
I have to agree with Kurly and not with the blog. There's no three solutions, there's one really simple solution to this. If he won't leave willingly, it's to type "Everyone get in your goodbyes to so-and-so" followed by /gkick so-and-soIf he's got a relative in the guild, tell them if they cause any drama because of it, they're free to go or can be kicked. Likewise for anyone who supported the turd. This honestly belongs to the drama mama's, not the officers' quarters.After the gkick, inform the 3 members you lost and try to get your good thing going again. Grow a pair and gkick these people.If your guild leader won't have the courage to fix the problem, then yes, it's time to start a new guild and invite over everyone who wants things to go back to the way they were under new, stronger leadership... You. You HAD a good thing. People WERE happy. It's time to make those two sentences be present tense instead of past tense.
10-26-2010 @ 1:06PM
There is a world of difference between "hardcore" and "casual", but in this case, to stop after Lady and not do Lootship? That brings casual to a WHOLE new level considering lootship is easier then Marrow or Lady.Even though the guild is supposedly _casual_, I would venture to guess that more then the new guy want to go farther then 2/12 in ICC at this stage of the game. I think that's the real problem ... defining exactly what _casual_ is. Is _casual_ doing 2/12? is it doing 6/12? is it not raiding at all? is it doing doing 10's instead of 25's? Does _causal_ mean you don't bother with fish feasts or flasks? Does _casual_ mean you can bring a PvP spec to the raid? Does _casual_ mean that if you wipe more then twice your calling it cause it's just not really that important?Casual vs Hardcore ... I think those are just PC terms used when you don't want to take responsibility for your actions ... or you want to disparage another group.
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