Blood Sport: Not every good PvPer is a gladiator
Listening Music: The Legend of Zelda, via symphony. You're welcome!
Occasionally, I'll meet a rank-1-quality opponent who is playing with people far below his or her level. Sometimes people are just naturally amazing at WoW. I'm not one of them. I have to use trial and error a lot before I pick something up. Oh well, at least I'm honest about it, right? I've battled opponents in the 1,900 bracket who are 2,700+ rated players; if only they would shed their partners and pick up a few gladiator buddies!
There are three primary reasons for people playing with teammates who are far below their level of PvP prowess: gear, friends and realms.
Gear
I raided with a hunter who was one of the best players I have had ever had the pleasure of downing dragons with. He was just incredible. He solo-kited all the Gluth-25 zombies in level 70 gear and blues. Maybe that's not a big deal now, maybe it is; I'm not sure. It was a giant deal when none of us had done it before, and he did it perfectly the very first time we attempted Gluth. With no help. We didn't even put a healer on him. He could do anything you asked him to and he blew you away every time. Just an absolutely unbelievable player.
I wanted him to PvP with me (obviously), so I started recruiting him hard. He had absolutely no PvP gear. When we entered an arena, we'd enter at a moderately high MMR (because of the other two people he was playing with), and he would just get trained hard and die. Now, we eventually won maybe 50 percent of our games total, but he grew bored with it and decided to not PvP anymore.
He didn't want to invest the time in obtaining a full set of PvP gear by doing BGs and many games of arena each week. He wasn't used to being the weakest link ever. He would constantly tell us that he was sorry for the game loss. His attitude was fantastic; we would just tell him, "Dude, it's fine, don't worry about it. It's your gear; it's not you." In arena, even the very best players will occasionally lose a game based on a misplay, but he didn't even do that.
The fact that we won 50 percent of our games at a high level with a hunter wearing 0 resilience is a testament to his skill. We did everything we could to get him involved in the PvP scene, but he just wanted to log on and slay dragons -- doing arena at a high level just wasn't very fun for him. He still enters the arena occasionally by helping out guildies with their 10 games a week. Meh, I guess we have to be cool with that.
Friends
Sometimes a player will have a full set of PvP gear but still be on a semi-low-rated team. I played a holy paladin opponent who knew my every move. Every time I went to move toward him to crowd control him, he would move at the exact same time behind a pillar. He was psychic at reading opponents.
However, Professor X did arena with two teammates who were not even remotely at his level. They were chilling out at a respectable 2,000 rating, but this paladin was definitely a 2,900+ player. My team had trouble making life bars go down, simply because the paladin was amazing. They would pop their immunity cooldowns at the wrong times constantly, but he would somehow dodge crowd control and get heals in when we thought there was no possible way.
So, obviously, I tried to recruit him too (noticing a theme yet?). He explained to me that while he enjoyed PvP very much, he wasn't willing to leave his friends. He knew them in real life and wasn't going to join a rank 1 team, even if it meant he didn't have a shot at gladiator.
Side note: I respect this guy very much; I just hope his friends respect him as much as I do. I actually left the realm all my real-life friends were on to get my first rank 1 title. I don't regret it at all because I got to play an aspect of the game that I enjoy most at a very high level. Would I have enjoyed spending more time with my real-life friends? Sure, I definitely would have. But I also acknowledge that I would have never achieved rank 1 on that realm. I wouldn't have this awesome job at WoW Insider.
Friends can hold you back. Sure, they might not be holding you back from rank 1 or a future possible source of employment, but you should try to keep your options open for teammates. You don't have to transfer to another realm to find gladiator-level teammates.
You can play with the best people on your realm or convince others to transfer over to yours. And that brings us to our next point ...
Realms
There are fantastic PvPers on very low-pop realms that don't have large PvP scenes. It's hard to find other good PvPers on this type of realm, so sometimes it seems finding partners is hopeless. Sometimes, these players get stuck in a cycle of trying to find teammates, doing semi-well but not where they'd like to be, repeat, then just quitting arena. It's sad. I mourn for you, extremely low-pop PvP guy. Disclaimer: Some low-pop PvP realms have a myriad of high-rated PvPers on them, but they are statistically very rare.
Sometimes, people just don't want to transfer to another realm because they're happy with an aspect of their realm. I've found the two big factors (beyond ones we've mentioned) to be raiding guilds and economy. You might laugh at the second one, but I've encountered a few individuals who didn't want to transfer to our realm because there was too much competition on the auction house for their professions. One of them was a gold-capped 214,000aire. The other wasn't gold-capped but was getting there. Both of them said certain professions on our server were too unprofitable for them to transfer over. Sadface.
Raiding guilds are a far more common reason people stick on a realm they would otherwise leave. If you want them to transfer over to your realm, you can try to direct them to the raiding guilds your server has, especially if they're well known outside your realm. We even went through the trouble of creating a guild application for one of our potential recruits. His application got accepted, so he agreed to come over. Maybe it was immoral that we worked as a team to give him all the best possible answers (especially as we knew the guild leader and recruiting strategy of that guild). Because we were exceedingly crafty, we got an awesome arena partner ... Bwahahaha. I wish we had the technology to insert an evil cackle when you read that last sentence.
If your appetite has been whet, tune in next week when we'll discuss recruiting (or being recruited) for arena.
Want to ascend the arena ladders faster than a fireman playing Donkey Kong? Read Blood Sport for pointers on arena play. Don't miss our interviews with successful arena PvPers, and see The Art of War(craft) for the inside line on battlegrounds and world PvP.Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, PvP, Blood Sport (Arena PvP)






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Garnlok Oct 26th 2010 11:15AM
I really enjoy WoW and could probably be Gladiator material or part of a hardcore raiding guild if I wanted to. Its just not what I care about though. I'm perfectly happy dropping a few bosses in ICC and leading a very small time Arena team that doesn't put enough time in to get towards the upper ratings with the people I know and likely always will be, even if those people hold me back from becoming the best of the best.
TL;DR
I have no ambition
JT Oct 26th 2010 12:42PM
"If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook."
I get terribly tired of listening to people say they could do things they're obviously not doing.
Rufio Oct 26th 2010 5:30PM
^ JT. Oh man, that's so true.
"...if I wanted too".
Truewan Oct 26th 2010 11:17AM
Thank you for this post, Im hopping to find some people to play with on cata on my realm... I have leveled a rogue, priest, dk, shaman, warrior, and soon a lock or pally to try and run comps. The problem is, its hard to find players that want to push to glad on my server. I admit Im the best at my rogue by far, followed by priest (disc), followed by warrior (arms). No one wanted a rogue this season due to all the wizards... No one wanted a disc when they can make it work (and not have to worry about mana) with a druid or resto shammy (The viable wizard priest comps just werent there for my priest either, and was forced to play shadow, to have a *shadow* of a chance of getting a good comp going, and ultimately quit because my disc gear didnt go well with the shadow gear...)
My warrior, same problem with my rogue, no one wants a warrior on my realm... at least in season 8. Can I get a break in season 9 please?
PS, vanish is still broken for rogues, and now we dont have our immunity :(
Lolololbob Oct 26th 2010 12:11PM
Me and my rogue partner have been looking everywhere for a good disc priest I'm on a small pve server me and him are well known for our PvP but we can't find anyone good for 3s =\
Truewan Oct 26th 2010 12:52PM
What server are you on? I'll try and make a toon there, as I cant afford the xfer >.
Lolololbob Oct 26th 2010 1:46PM
Shu'halo horde
Lolololbob Oct 26th 2010 4:16PM
Oh and I'm a mage btw.
truewan Oct 26th 2010 4:21PM
As long as you can peel, I got your dispels/heals/burst dps. Its what I love about playing a healer, your constantly predecting, timing, and reacting. He's about level 9, but in a few weeks to 2 months he should be at 80 (dont wait up lol)
same name as on here
Lolololbob Oct 26th 2010 5:16PM
Kk I'll whisp you if I see you on.
ryck Oct 26th 2010 11:27AM
Extremely low-pop PvP guy reporting in
Zach Pergrossi Oct 26th 2010 11:41AM
I pvp on a low pop server, with a very few pvpers, maybe 3 teams reached 2k last season (on horde side anyway) and I was fortunate enough to be leading calls on mine, and achieved rival title... its not gladiator, its not even duelist, and my team quit WoW after reaching 2k and then falling back down to 1987, so I didn't even get my shoulders. I would have loved to have gotten farther on a different realm, but what you said really hit home, sometimes it's not about pvp. I'm a raid leader in my guild and enjoy the people I play with, so why transfer?
Thanks for the column, I enjoy reading it!
pwn3d Oct 26th 2010 12:04PM
I am just wondering why there is no article about the Wow 3v3 Arena tournament at Blizzcon 2010. The end of that match was pretty controversial but yet Wow Insider has not mentioned anything about it at all.
Hoofio Oct 26th 2010 3:15PM
^^
Nyold Oct 26th 2010 12:06PM
Reading this post makes me jealous, somewhat. I have the gear (1000 resil way back when Naxx was current) by grinding. I have all my spells and macros keybound. But I just suck, period. I know why I lost, and I know what I should have done, but doesn't make me better nonetheless. When the exact same situation happens again, I just froze and/or scrambling to find: which key was that bound to?
Baba Oct 26th 2010 3:56PM
I used to be the same, just duel, duel, duel, duel, duel. You'll start to recognise skilled PvPers who are constantly winning duels outside of org / IF, duel them and ask questions on what you could've done that you didn't.
There's a really elitist mage on my realm who I duel from time to time. He wins constantly but I've picked up tons of tricks without him saying anything, just by reviewing what happened.
Frangus Oct 26th 2010 12:14PM
I know a warlock on my server called Braedin. He is one of the best PvPers I have ever had the privilege of knowing. He is simply amazing. However, he is on a low population server and he is here because of us, his guild. He is an officer in our guild and one of the nicest people I have ever met.
He can still, however, rip 5 horde faces' off simultaneously. Okay, maybe that is exaggerating, but I have seriously never seen someone so good.
Lornehil Oct 26th 2010 12:19PM
I know that even though my server's population is fairly medium level; our pvp scene is pretty small. I have had a bitch of a time finding not just good partners, but good partners that are reliable and not going to quit for another comp even when your's is doing very well on a whim.
It might be an issue that I started playing a few months before Wrath and didn't start doing Arena until season 7, and only got very serious about it in this last season; but I had to constantly deal with the fact that the pvp player pool on my server is nearly constantly tapped dry. I was very fortunate to convince a holy paladin from my guild to heal 3s for me (and this guy probably has 1 equal on the server, he's that good (the other paladin is a online friend of mine, but has a 2/3/5s team at all times)) and a prot warrior who was also having trouble finding partners.
So taking into account I spent as much time or more trying to find teams (with a few apathetic weeks of not bothering) than actually playing matches; hitting 2k for me was a pretty damn satisfying moment; I only regret that my teammates didn't quite make it due to the slight difference in their rating from the team rating (personal/team rating is some bullshit by the way).
If you look up my name in armory "Lornehil" I'm the only one.
Truewan Oct 26th 2010 12:46PM
Armory is down, tuesday :(
What class do you play?
Truewan Oct 26th 2010 12:48PM
What server are you on? I'll try and make a toon there, as I can afford the xfers lol.