Cataclysm raid progression update
Valnoth comes to the rescue of a forum poster wanting clarification on the intended progression path for Cataclysm instances and raids. Since we figure this is information that will interest a few of our players, here it is in pog form! (Note, it's not actually in pog form.)
Valnoth - Re: Can we get some info on Cata-Progression
Below is the basic progression map. Obviously your mileage may vary, i.e. If you're Paragon or Premonition you will be able to skip some of the below and/or mix and match at your discretion.
*Normal Dungeons/Crafting/Questing to get full set of 85 blues (non-heroic) to do Heroic dungeons.
*Heroic dungeons to get full set of 85 Heroic blues to do Normal mode raids.
*Normal raids to get full set of 85 epics (non-heroic) to do Heroic mode raids.
*Heroic Raids to get full set of 85 Heroic epics, which will presumably help a bit on Sinestra and the next tier (when released with patch 4.1.0)
*Badge vendors to help fill in gaps at all tier levels.
*No real gating to speak of for ship.
*Sinestra opens after Cho'gall is defeated on HEROIC mode. No timers or attempt limits, but she will pound you relentlessly. She has better than Heroic epic level gear (half a tier better).
So for those of us who are not demigods, the intention is that once again, you'll run dungeons to gear up, then run heroics to gear up for raiding, then run normal raids to gear up for heroics. Once you have heroic mode gear, you'll be geared enough to run Sinestra, who will beat you like a rented mule for a few months until the next tier of raiding comes out. So it's a combination of the BC model (run heroics to gear up for Kara -- Gruul and Mags, for instance) and the Wrath model. Well, to be fair, Wrath was also a lot like this at launch.
What's really nice here is the emphasis on badge vendors and crafted gear to help smooth out some of the gaps in gearing up. We all remember The Burning Crusade, when one particular piece of gear could keep you running instances long after you had everything you could possibly want from them (I'm looking right at you, Sun-Eater), so I'm hoping that helps. It's also interesting to note that unlike BC and even early Wrath (Malygos), there's no gating or attunement.
Also interesting is that just because some bosses will drop a half-tier of better loot, that doesn't mean heroic Ragnaros isn't going to beat your face in. I look forward to that, to be honest.
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm will destroy Azeroth as we know it; nothing will be the same! In WoW Insider's Guide to Cataclysm, you can find out everything you need to know about WoW's third expansion (available Dec. 7, 2010), from brand new races to revamped quests and zones. Visit our Cataclysm news category for the most recent posts having to do with the Cataclysm expansion.
Q u o t e:
So with raid testing in full swing, i think it's a good time to ask what the planned progression path will be concerning raids.
Will we be allowed to directly do heroic-modes or are we forced to do normal first?
Will there be any kind of gating?
Any Info on Sinestra? Try-limited? Time limited? Not limited, just hard?
Also, will there be heroic-mode testing in Beta?
So with raid testing in full swing, i think it's a good time to ask what the planned progression path will be concerning raids.
Will we be allowed to directly do heroic-modes or are we forced to do normal first?
Will there be any kind of gating?
Any Info on Sinestra? Try-limited? Time limited? Not limited, just hard?
Also, will there be heroic-mode testing in Beta?
Below is the basic progression map. Obviously your mileage may vary, i.e. If you're Paragon or Premonition you will be able to skip some of the below and/or mix and match at your discretion.
*Normal Dungeons/Crafting/Questing to get full set of 85 blues (non-heroic) to do Heroic dungeons.
*Heroic dungeons to get full set of 85 Heroic blues to do Normal mode raids.
*Normal raids to get full set of 85 epics (non-heroic) to do Heroic mode raids.
*Heroic Raids to get full set of 85 Heroic epics, which will presumably help a bit on Sinestra and the next tier (when released with patch 4.1.0)
*Badge vendors to help fill in gaps at all tier levels.
*No real gating to speak of for ship.
*Sinestra opens after Cho'gall is defeated on HEROIC mode. No timers or attempt limits, but she will pound you relentlessly. She has better than Heroic epic level gear (half a tier better).
So for those of us who are not demigods, the intention is that once again, you'll run dungeons to gear up, then run heroics to gear up for raiding, then run normal raids to gear up for heroics. Once you have heroic mode gear, you'll be geared enough to run Sinestra, who will beat you like a rented mule for a few months until the next tier of raiding comes out. So it's a combination of the BC model (run heroics to gear up for Kara -- Gruul and Mags, for instance) and the Wrath model. Well, to be fair, Wrath was also a lot like this at launch.
What's really nice here is the emphasis on badge vendors and crafted gear to help smooth out some of the gaps in gearing up. We all remember The Burning Crusade, when one particular piece of gear could keep you running instances long after you had everything you could possibly want from them (I'm looking right at you, Sun-Eater), so I'm hoping that helps. It's also interesting to note that unlike BC and even early Wrath (Malygos), there's no gating or attunement.
Also interesting is that just because some bosses will drop a half-tier of better loot, that doesn't mean heroic Ragnaros isn't going to beat your face in. I look forward to that, to be honest.
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm will destroy Azeroth as we know it; nothing will be the same! In WoW Insider's Guide to Cataclysm, you can find out everything you need to know about WoW's third expansion (available Dec. 7, 2010), from brand new races to revamped quests and zones. Visit our Cataclysm news category for the most recent posts having to do with the Cataclysm expansion.Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, News items, Cataclysm







Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Jamie Oct 26th 2010 4:03PM
A bit of a nag here and an off-topic but is there any way to increase the font size of those Blizzard quotes, I think taking it out of the <small> tag would help a little.
liu Oct 26th 2010 3:17PM
Related to this, is there a reason why i.wow.joystiq.com is sending us to regular wow.joystiq.com articles? It makes it difficult to read on mobile devices, and the moire gives me a headache on my desktop.
Jamie Oct 26th 2010 3:26PM
a user of m.wow.joystiq.com (yep, it's styled slightly differently from the iPhone version), I know that it links to regular style articles, although if you append an "i." or an "m." in front of the url you do get it in the mobile style, it's not really worth the effort though.
Darin Oct 26th 2010 3:29PM
CRTL + Middle Mouse wheel, in most browsers zooms in/ increases size
jrizutko Oct 26th 2010 3:45PM
Likewise "Ctrl" and "+" will increase font size in most browsers.
Angus Oct 26th 2010 4:02PM
Liu it's not "us" it is you. At some point you hit the "visit full site" button.
Go to settings, safari, and clear cookies. That should do it.
Foxfyr Oct 26th 2010 4:13PM
Great tip Angus! I had been unhappily dealing with the full site on my iPhone since the move to Joystiq.
Jamie Oct 26th 2010 4:14PM
@The Ctrl + Mouse Wheel crew
That's not really the answer folks, as a professional web developer I can't tell my clients to just make their browser text bigger if the text I give them is too small. You fix it.
It's not impossible in this case after checking the HTML source (made pinpoint easy with Firebug) removing the <small> tag would take care of the problem.
There isn't a need to use a <small> tag when a <span> would do just fine or easy if you want to get all semantic web go with <blockquote> and <cite>.
I understand as professional blog writers, CSS & HTML isn't your specialism but if this could be fixed that'd be great!
scherbaddie Dec 2nd 2010 5:30PM
Also Angus, it is "us". If you can load i.wow.joystiq.com and get the iphone menu, but clicking an article link directs you to the full site version of the article, then the problem is NOT the "visit full site" link.
The links on i.wow.com used to point to i.wow.com. The links now on i.wow.joystiq.com point to wow.joystiq.com. Something has changed.
The reason iphones (or certain other mobile phones for m.wow...) still work is because the site detects the iphone's user agent and automagically sends you the iphone version of every page, even if you try to go to regular wow.joystiq.com. This is why the "visit full site" link exists in the first place.
For Liu, I recommend installing the User Agent Switcher extension for Firefox, and select an iPhone user agent when browsing the site. For your mobile device, I guess you're out of luck (I know I am).
JediOptimus Oct 26th 2010 3:07PM
Oh Sun Eater how I did love you. My first tanking epic on my warrior and I carried it proudly for a long long time.
Jamie Oct 26th 2010 4:18PM
Ah The Sun Eater was a great weapon for starting Wrath, I by chance got it on my tanking Paladin (back when it wasn't all that great for tanking Paladins) and by chance my inner-packrat wanted to keep it for looks.
Come Wrath and that weapon lasted me a good while.
And not forgetting Red Sword of Courage (Sun Eater 2.0) pre-3.3 I still think it was highly sought after.
EK Oct 26th 2010 3:10PM
Good news about the gating. I don't get the pog reference.
Siaperas Oct 26th 2010 3:24PM
Pogs were little almost cardboard discs in the 90s. They were like round cards. You played a game by taking turns stacking them up and slamming down your "slammer" a larger heaver disc on the stack. The player with the most pogs at the end of the matches wins, and wins all the pogs.
That's a quick summary of the pog game. You could also check out the wiki site for more info.
(cutaia) Oct 26th 2010 3:24PM
It's just a test. If you didn't have to click the link to know what a Pog was, that says something about you. Although, I'm not sure what.
Oh, and remember Alf? He's back! In pog form!
Jordan Oct 26th 2010 3:33PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CCbnpMCdds
Mortenebra Oct 26th 2010 4:43PM
@(cutaia): I think it means that we were children of the 90s, or knew what was what in the 90s... along with the snap bracelets, Chinese jump-rope, tamagachi virtual pets (wonder why I'm a pet collector in WoW?), Lisa Frank school supplies, those plastic pencil boxes a lot of kids had on their desks, Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, the grittier probably-not-really-for-kids version of The X-Men... I should probably stop.
/blush
Bynde Dec 2nd 2010 9:49AM
"Oh, and remember Alf? He's back! In pog form!"
Hehehe.
It amazes me sometimes how deeply The Simpsons has ingrained itself into American culture.
Bueas Oct 26th 2010 3:16PM
Ugh... I gotta grind regular dungeons just to be able to do heroic dungeons. Then grind heroic dungeons until I can raid? Even in Wotlk I was able to do heroic dungeons as soon as I hit 80 cuz I'd have blues from questing and dungeons. That would mean it'd be better to do all dungeons at level 84 to 85 to get all the blue gear so you can do heroic dungeons right away.
Jack Spicer Oct 26th 2010 3:28PM
I am not seeing the problem here.
Yomamma Oct 26th 2010 3:31PM
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say "GOGOGOGO" is keybound for you.