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10-29-2010 @ 1:09PM
In re: Vigilance use - to me it still seems useful for an off tank to use on a main tank, especially on tank-switching fights. With Vigilance placed on the first tank by the second tank, the second tank will, when taunting, already be at or near maximum Vengeance, which is nice. Your phrasing "using on an off tank" confuses me, as I have trouble of thinking of a reason a main tank would put Vig on an off tank, ever - did you mean BY the off tank ON the main tank?
10-29-2010 @ 1:24PM
Maybe this is a relic of WoTLK speaking, but it just seems like something that's nice, but not really worth spending a talent on if there's other, more survival related talents available- especially since they have to make the fights so that that kind of quickly repeated taunting isn't necesary since there won't always be a warrior tanking.
11-02-2010 @ 5:09PM
I personally am pissed at what they've done to vigilence. First they take away the threat gain so it's basically only getting any use if we put it on the other tank for the damage reduction then they are unhappy with the tank getting more damage reductio (which as I pointed out was a direction they basically forced us into) so they took that away too. So in one month Vigilence has gone from one of the most unique and useful talents in the prot warrior tree to not even being useful enough to spend a talent point on. Had anyone else not been enjoying warrior tanking since the patch?
10-29-2010 @ 2:11PM
Really the biggest question is "What are you giving up in order to keep Vigilance" As of right now I don't see one single point worth switching in my spec. I see several great talents, but most would require two points for me to think about taking again. I think the value of having the ability to spam taunt is worth it. Missing a taunt on a fight make me want to soil myself, and 1 talent point is worth my pants.
10-29-2010 @ 4:20PM
The vigiliance nerf is aimed to make it more of a utility build. Right now, I use it on the other tank, some fights I main tank, and some fights I off tank. It just makes sense to have it on a tank with the way it awards vigilance stacks, refreshes taunts, and reduces damage. I think the fear is if they make the baseline for all tanks equal, you could get an extra 3% damage reduction on both tanks by stacking warriors. By taking that out, it gives warriros flexibility to choose if they want to use vigilance or not, and discussig the worth of vigilance in theory craft is the direction they want to go.
10-30-2010 @ 10:39AM
Vigilance in 4.x is designed to be used *by tanks on tanks*. Period. Main-on-off and off-on-main, same difference. Unless someone in your raid is screwing up, the only people getting hit should be the tanks. So the tank who is only tanking for part of the fight, or who is tanking adds instead of the boss, is *still* taking more damage than anyone else in the raid you could Vig, meaning that (a) they benefit more from the 3% damage reduction than anyone else, for as long as this feature exists, (b) they will proc your Taunt more often than anyone else, and (c) they will transfer more Vengeance to you than anyone else.Really, I find this change completely obnoxious, and I can only hope that they reconsider before they make the change, or at least give us something else to compensate.
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