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10-30-2010 @ 2:08PM
"Yes, Arthas took complete control and ended Ner'Zhul's influence. The Arthas side of the Lich King won out completely, and Ner'Zhul's story is over." I'm confused. Is this sarcasm or not?
10-30-2010 @ 2:13PM
No, I don't think it is sarcasm. In the Quests and Lore panel at BlizzCon, I believe it was definitively stated that Ner'Zhul's story was over and done with.
10-30-2010 @ 2:19PM
Didn't a GM say Ner'Zhul's story wasn't over yet?
10-30-2010 @ 2:26PM
nope, in the final scene in the book, he kills him.in the prologue he had been having an argument with his younger innocent self, and nerzhul. presumably over who was to control the body. a violent inner dialogue if you will.then in the epilogue he concludes it by killing nerzhul and his innocent younger self and taking control of the lich king himsel, no longer under the guidance of another. i think he might say something as well.sorry if i got some detail wrong its been a year or so since i read it.
10-30-2010 @ 2:49PM
Indeed, Ner'zhul is done. By the time we players kill the Lich King, Arthas is entirely in control.
10-30-2010 @ 3:35PM
So, if there's not a tiny bit of Ner'zhul left in the armor of Lich King and we also killed Arthas himself, how is Bolvar supposed to be the next Lich King if he can't even control his "lackeys". The Fall of the Lich King cinematic made sense before but now I'm confused.
10-30-2010 @ 3:37PM
Well provided that it was the Ner'zhul's spirit which enabled the control over the scourge monsters. I can't say.
10-30-2010 @ 4:07PM
Sarcasm? Now I'M confused. Why did you think that? The statement seems pretty clear to me. Ner'zhul is gone. So is Arthas' humanity, by the way.
10-30-2010 @ 4:45PM
Metzen confirmed it at Blizzcon. Ner'zhul is done. Finito.
10-30-2010 @ 4:58PM
He was, then he wasn't, and now he is. For now.At least they didn't have Rhonin kill him.
10-30-2010 @ 5:03PM
That epilogue was only a setback!
10-30-2010 @ 5:04PM
So does this mean Bolvar is not going to turn evil while wearing the LK helm?What are the chances that Tirion will wake him up as a major weapon against the Burning Legion for the next Xpac that they show up in?
@Tremelizzer: The power to control the Scourge lies in the Helm of Dominion (the Lich King's helm). Ner'zhul had almost nothing; most of "his" power was in Frostmourne and the armor encased within the throne. When Arthas put it on and killed Ner'zhul, he was in full control of the armor's powers.Ner'zhul never really had the powers; they were in the armor, which his spirit was bound to.
10-30-2010 @ 5:09PM
No fictional character is more than a retcon or a resurrection away from reappearing, but as well as we know, Ner'Zhul is gone.
10-30-2010 @ 5:29PM
Blizz contradicting themselves again :SIn a quest in Howling Fjord (Alliance only), you enter the spirit world and an event happens.The Lich King grins.The Lich King says: Shamanism has brought you here... Its scent permeates the air. *The Lich King laughs* I was once a shaman.
10-30-2010 @ 6:33PM
Really quite disappointed if Ner'zhul got kicked out in a book, rather than the game. Especially since there is a reference that he was still around in the Alliance Howling Fjord shaman-esque quest when you get the whisper from the Lich King, "I was once a shaman."
10-30-2010 @ 6:40PM
@JP: That's not a contradiction. The Lich King was once Ner'Zhul. Even if he is no longer, it remains true that he once was, and as Ner'Zhul was a shaman, it follows that the Lich King was once a shaman.More importantly, it's a quote from an in-game character. This tells you what an in-game character wants you to believe. It hints at what an in-game character believes. It does not, however, necessarily indicate what is truth. Just because a character is an NPC does not make them an infallible god of everlasting truth. Some lie, and some are just wrong about the facts.In any case, it offers interesting insight into the Lich King's mental state. One wonders if he retains Ner'Zhul's memories at all, or if he's merely refering to the fact I noted above.
10-30-2010 @ 6:47PM
Now just to put this out here now, I haven't read the book in awhile, and not 100% sure, but in the epilogue, it could be that it's after alliance and horde forces have shown up in Northrend that he offed Nerzhul and his innocent self. /shrug
@JokerFrom what precedent we've seen out of Blizzard, in any of its material, they love to write fallen heroes. This desire is tempered by the fact that Northrend is a closed book for now so we won't be seeing Redemption of the Burning King any time soon but they really do love to have good intentioned heroes ultimately fail so we the players can come by to roflstomp the baddies back in line.@JPYes and no. Arthas still very much had Ner'zhul involved in him and the being that was the Lich King very much is made out of Ner'zhul as well.However, when deciding who ultimately would reign supreme upon the Frozen Throne it was Arthas Menethil.And LK was right. He was once a shaman, until Arthas skewered his soul. ;)
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