Insider Trader: Using Auction Profit Master and ZeroAuctions to sell
Insider Trader is a column about professions, written by Basil "Euripides" Berntsen, who also writes Gold Capped. Basil can't figure out a way to make this a full-sized post, so he's just going to write it here: the gold cap is 1 million now. Email Basil with your questions.
In my recent post about using addons to more efficiently craft, I promised that I'd explain how to use these same Quick Auctions-based addons to sell. The basic workings of both Auction Profit Master and ZeroAuctions are actually quite simple. You give it a list of items, and you give your list a pricing scheme. Each time you batch post, it goes through your inventory looking for items on your lists to post.
Pricing scheme?
Go ahead and type "/apm config" now. The first page that comes up is a list of all the options, including pricing options that will be used for the default pricing scheme. Let's take a look at these options before we go setting up any groups that will deviate from them. I'm only going to go over the important ones for now:

Now I know it may seem like I just gave you entirely too many options for pricing, but believe me when I tell you that (a.) you can get along quite well without messing too much with these, assuming you finish reading this, and (b.) every single option is useful. Keep this list open when you create your first group, and refer to it when you decide what you want to do. Click on the image to the right if you need help locating any of the options on the addon, and here's a sample set of values that you might see for, say, Adamantite Powder:
Groups
Now we want to create some groups. Each group can contain as many items as you want, but they'll all be priced the same. When I use this for jewelcrafting, I've created a group for common, rare and epic cut gems, as well a separate group for red cuts because reds sell more. I've got the same pricing on rare reds as all the other rare cuts, but my post cap is higher because people are more likely to buy reds in higher volume.
Once you've named your group, you'll be able to go in and start adding items and customizing the pricing scheme for it. Click on the item in the "Add items" tab to add them, and click on the "Remove items" tab to see a list of items in the group. You cannot put the same item in multiple groups, because that simply wouldn't make sense.
Now when you visit the auction house's auctions tab, you have a new button: "Post". Click it, and you can start posting your auctions much faster than you can with any other addon.
The setup is a little heavier with these addons, but they allow you to set it and forget it. Every day, you can confine the majority of your auction house time to crafting and buying. Selling is done as fast as you can empty your mail, run to the AH, and post your inventory again.
Cancelling can be automated as well by clicking the cancel button. Like auctions, you need to confirm each single cancellation; however, it won't cancel anything that you're not undercut on. Also, it ignores items not in a group in the addon, so if you've manually posted some stuff that you don't sell frequently enough to justify creating a group for, you don't need to worry about it accidentally cancelling them as well.
You probably don't want to overuse this button, as it adds more work than any other feature of this addon. It's unfortunately almost a requirement for very competitive glyph markets; however, I don't touch the thing unless I have a good reason and enough time, and I can expect the additional profits to cover the lost time and deposit costs.
Auto mailer
The last thing I'm going to talk about is the auto mailer. You can assign groups or individual items to be send automatically to specific characters. It's important to read the note that warns you about typos in the character name, because it would really suck to send a whole load of, say, glyphs to someone else.
For example, I have three glyph-posting alts. Two of them handle the glyphs for three classes, and one of them handles four. I have a group created for each class, and I've set each group to be auto-mailed to the alt responsible for posting those glyphs. When I log into my scribinatrixtor, all I have to do is walk up to a mailbox and check "automail". It will handle the rest for me.
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In my recent post about using addons to more efficiently craft, I promised that I'd explain how to use these same Quick Auctions-based addons to sell. The basic workings of both Auction Profit Master and ZeroAuctions are actually quite simple. You give it a list of items, and you give your list a pricing scheme. Each time you batch post, it goes through your inventory looking for items on your lists to post.
Pricing scheme?
Go ahead and type "/apm config" now. The first page that comes up is a list of all the options, including pricing options that will be used for the default pricing scheme. Let's take a look at these options before we go setting up any groups that will deviate from them. I'm only going to go over the important ones for now:
- Auto-recheck mail is a general option that lets you go AFK while collecting mail. The server only delivers 50 mail per minute, so instead of opening your mail every 60 seconds to empty it, this option does it for you.
- Smart cancelling is a general option that will only ask you to cancel auctions that have been undercut in such a way that you're prepared to undercut back.
- Post cap is how many auctions you want to keep posted.
- Per auction is the quantity per auction you will post.
- Undercut by is pretty obvious, but remember that whenever you enter a value, you need to enter a number with a letter: "1s99c" is one silver, 99 copper.
- Bid percent is usually 100, unless you have a reason to want to take a longer time to sell your stuff for less.
- Threshold is the lowest price you're willing to sell for.
- Maximum price gap is a feature that lets you ignore single, low-priced items. If someone walks into a market and posts a single auction at 5g when the rest of the market is at 70g, you may not want to undercut even though your threshold is below 5g. Setting this allows you to define when you will just ignore that low price and undercut the next lowest.
- Fallback price is what you sell for if you have no competition, as well as when your competition is below your fallback and you've checked Enable auto fallback.
- Maximum price is how much above your fallback you're willing to sell. If someone posts stock at a ridiculously high price, you don't necessarily want to blindly undercut him.

Now I know it may seem like I just gave you entirely too many options for pricing, but believe me when I tell you that (a.) you can get along quite well without messing too much with these, assuming you finish reading this, and (b.) every single option is useful. Keep this list open when you create your first group, and refer to it when you decide what you want to do. Click on the image to the right if you need help locating any of the options on the addon, and here's a sample set of values that you might see for, say, Adamantite Powder:
- post cap of 20
- per auction of 4 (because that's how many are used by Mercurial Adamantite while leveling Jewelcrafting)
- undercut by 1s
- price threshold of 6g
- fallback of 15g
Groups
Now we want to create some groups. Each group can contain as many items as you want, but they'll all be priced the same. When I use this for jewelcrafting, I've created a group for common, rare and epic cut gems, as well a separate group for red cuts because reds sell more. I've got the same pricing on rare reds as all the other rare cuts, but my post cap is higher because people are more likely to buy reds in higher volume.

Now when you visit the auction house's auctions tab, you have a new button: "Post". Click it, and you can start posting your auctions much faster than you can with any other addon.

Cancelling can be automated as well by clicking the cancel button. Like auctions, you need to confirm each single cancellation; however, it won't cancel anything that you're not undercut on. Also, it ignores items not in a group in the addon, so if you've manually posted some stuff that you don't sell frequently enough to justify creating a group for, you don't need to worry about it accidentally cancelling them as well.
You probably don't want to overuse this button, as it adds more work than any other feature of this addon. It's unfortunately almost a requirement for very competitive glyph markets; however, I don't touch the thing unless I have a good reason and enough time, and I can expect the additional profits to cover the lost time and deposit costs.
Auto mailer
The last thing I'm going to talk about is the auto mailer. You can assign groups or individual items to be send automatically to specific characters. It's important to read the note that warns you about typos in the character name, because it would really suck to send a whole load of, say, glyphs to someone else.
For example, I have three glyph-posting alts. Two of them handle the glyphs for three classes, and one of them handles four. I have a group created for each class, and I've set each group to be auto-mailed to the alt responsible for posting those glyphs. When I log into my scribinatrixtor, all I have to do is walk up to a mailbox and check "automail". It will handle the rest for me.
Filed under: Economy, Insider Trader (Professions)







Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Rob Nov 1st 2010 4:11PM
Ugh, where was this post last week :) Fantastic as usual. I have not much to add, except two tips.
1) Just to reitterate the auto-mailer. What you do is type /apm config, on the automailer section, you type in a name "glyph guy". Then you click "glyph guy" that shows up in the auto-mailer section of the configuration, and you can add or remove items.
Then what you do is go to the mail box, click the tab to mail stuff, type in the persons name, then click the large auto-mail button. (or something similiar to that). And it will then mail all the given items at once.
2) APM and its predecessors work well with the random flotsam you have in your bags. Instead of manually posting, set some stupidly low limit like 1s, and a reasonable threshold of say 100g, with a stack size of 4, 5 or 10, and then add all of your junk (ie stuff you get while leveling) into this config. The downside is that it will post your rugged hides at 100g each if there are none available, and obviously people won't (shouldn't) buy them for that price. But this works 90% of the time and if you just wait a week for people to post some rugged hides at sane prices this will undercut and hopefully lead to a sale, without any effort.
Rob Nov 1st 2010 4:13PM
Minor typos. For #2 threshold should be 1s and fallback should be 100g, not the other way around.
uncaringbear Nov 1st 2010 5:46PM
Yes, it's fantastic for listing little bits of junk that you accumulate while questing or doing whatever. My lowbie druid has made over a thousand gold using the old Quick Auctions, and now APM. Stuff that I used to vendor, now gets thrown into the AH with almost no effort at all. Stuff that you think doesn't sell? It sells! People do buy zesty clam meat!
Drob10 Nov 1st 2010 4:17PM
Grats to Basil on getting some time in the latest WoW magazine. Now we need the knee-breakers to make you stop sharing the not-so secret secrets.
Basil Berntsen Nov 1st 2010 6:05PM
Huh what?
Basil Berntsen Nov 1st 2010 6:25PM
Heh, I had totally forgotten I talked to that guy :)
jakeburress Nov 1st 2010 4:34PM
Sorry for the non-related post, but where is that screen cap from?
wutsconflag Nov 1st 2010 4:49PM
Scribe shop in Dalaran. Walk in, turn your camera so you're looking almost straight down and zoom out. Voila!
gewalt Nov 1st 2010 4:50PM
scribbles room in dalaran
jakeburress Nov 1st 2010 4:53PM
Sweeeet. Thanks.
Basil Berntsen Nov 1st 2010 6:08PM
That's actually Zamboni's pic- he wrote a couple of inscription related posts a few months ago. I love that the inscription building is larger on the inside than the outside :)
lownwolf Nov 1st 2010 4:41PM
Just a friendly reminder to all that will be trying to automate their markets now. Please don't set it to undercut too much. That way, when you get undercut, and you will get undercut, it doesn't drive the market down too far too fast. Keep your undercuts reasonable and everyone will continue to make money on the items. Unless of course you're attempting to be extremely aggressive and push people out of the market.
@jakeburress
the screen cap is from the inscription room in Dalaran, where the ink trader is. You have to zoom way out and then tilt your camera to look straight down at yourself.
wutsconflag Nov 1st 2010 4:51PM
Tell me about it!
You see 10 auctions for Item X @ 265g per auction. The natural inclination is to post your item for slightly less, say, 260g, maybe.
What I don't get are the people who come in and post for 150g...
StormDance Nov 1st 2010 5:10PM
@wutsconflag: I am thinking that "oh look some one posted at 250g and Item that took me 70g to make... so If I post at 150g people will think it is a bargain price and be more likely to buy it and I'll still have 80g profit."
or
They just want to get ride of it, also like me as I have been playing the ah less and less as glyph-mass filled my coffers, and just want to liquidate wrath stuff that will be worth less in cata.
lownwolf Nov 1st 2010 5:11PM
I'm not sure that wrath stuff will be worthless in cata, but you do what you want =P I'm stockpiling certain things
StormDance Nov 1st 2010 5:43PM
@lownwolf: not worthless as in worth nothing, worth less as in the price of the item is no longer as high as it once, like say epic gems when cata hits
Rob Nov 1st 2010 5:47PM
I love it when people post stuff like this. Classic example. Two days ago I bought crusader orbs at a very large discount, resetting the market (i bought the market out). Then some people tried to reset the market at 500g, which is way above the prim. saronite going price. I posted slightly below the PS price and tripled my money.
Please keep resetting the market to artificially high levels, so someone like me can post a sane price and get scooped up immediately.
Duts Nov 16th 2010 3:24PM
If you think my price is too low, feel free to purchase mine and re-list it at your elevated price. That way, we both win. And don't even worry that I'll have more and relist...don't worry at all. :-D
lownwolf Nov 4th 2010 5:57PM
@Duts, i don' t get how your plan makes economical sense.. you're massively undercutting my posts, but they're still getting bought, so sure you're making what, 1-2g off each post, whereas if you were to undercut by a couple silver you could be making 10-15g per post.. so yeah.. you keep posting and i won't even worry about it if you relist, i'll just keep buying your posts at basic cost of mats and relisting to making profit off of your misunderstandings =P
Pyromelter Nov 1st 2010 4:49PM
I know that addons like this are supposed to automate posting and make it easier, but holy heck it just seems like a massive amount of work when the auction mods and lilsparky's can seemingly do a similar job, with slightly more work per auction, but with much less complexity.
thoughts?