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11-02-2010 @ 5:05PM
"We'll start today with the original druids, the night elves"Hey Allison, you see all those pissed off Tauren stampeding your way? Thats because those lore loving hordies have some serious issues with the above statement and have some serious disputations with this statement.
11-02-2010 @ 5:14PM
I can't seem to find it right now, but I remember reading a blue post that basically stated "while the Tauren believe they were the first Druids, they're wrong. The Night Elves were first". Maybe someone else can post it if they know where it is?
11-02-2010 @ 5:17PM
Aha! Found it! Posted by Nethaera"Yes, Malfurion as the first druid is in fact possible and true.Keep in mind that like all history, it tends to be from the perspective of the writer. As far as the Tauren are concerned they were the first taught by Cenarius. This is a 'truth' they hold dear to them and is taught to the members of their society as evidenced by their scrolls.The actuality is that they were not the first to be taught the druidic arts, but it was in fact the Night Elves.The Tauren believe they were first. The Night Elves were the first. "http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=43884861&pageNo=4&sid=1#62
11-02-2010 @ 5:37PM
Jealouspirate looked up the quote so I didn't have to! Yes, it's been officially confirmed by Nethaera that night elves were the first druids, so that's the line I'm sticking to here. Then again, I've always wondered exactly how anyone could ever know this, because the origins of both night elves and tauren are not among the best-documented events in the game world. The tauren pictographic histories also make a number of oblique references to Old Gods and, IIRC, possibly even the qiraji, so I always wondered exactly when they appeared relative to the night elves. As far as I know, no one's ever confirmed how old each Azerothian race is ... and, of course, the standard lore was kind of blown to hell by recent novels anyway.
11-02-2010 @ 5:41PM
the operative word here is 'Taught' the night elves were the first to be instructed by Cenarious followed by Hamuul Runetotem. We Shu'halo have been honoring Mu'sha since before the trolls first pitched the tents of their beach party on the shores of the Well of Eternity. Well the night elves may be the first Cenarion Druids, we have been following the path since the dawn of time. Ish'ne'aloh Por'ah brothers!
11-02-2010 @ 5:47PM
regarding the age of the races, i believe the generally accepted conclusion amongst the lore buff community is that the trolls and tauren are the oldest of playable races, followed by the night elves, while concurrently the dwarves, humans, and gnomes were degenerating from titanic constructs in their various installations. Whether or not the trolls and tauren predate the arrival of the titans i don't think anyone really knows at this point.
11-02-2010 @ 5:59PM
Were the Night Elves Trolls first, though, and were they druidic then? Or were the Trolls Night Elves before undergoing a "Broken"-style de-evolution?The one thing I want to know: How on Azeroth will the Night Elves of Moonglade tolerate the presence of Trolls? I know it isn't quite the same as High Elves v. Trolls, but there's a lot of animosity there.
11-02-2010 @ 6:01PM
Actually the key phrasing here is "The Tauren believe they were the first. The Night Elves were the first." Y'all need to get over this "Tauren were the frist Druids" thing. They weren't. End of story. Move the hell on. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.By the way, this comes from someone who LOVES the Tauren (PS OMG I can't wait for my Tauren Pally!). It doesn't matter so much who was first. The Tauren have been who they are longer than pretty much anything else in Azeroth. Just because they weren't shapeshifting and Moonfiring before Night Elves doesn't make them crappy knock offs. Besides, they improved on the model. Who's a better tank, a bear with feathers, or a bear with some badass horns?
11-02-2010 @ 6:04PM
Well, when taken in context from warcraft 3, when druids were first introduced to Azerothian lore, Night Elves WERE the original druids.As for WoW lore, the referances to the Shu'Halo as the first druids is rather vague. If we assume the ancient tauren mythos is correct, then Cenarius did teach them druidic arts to the tauren first. The only real problem with this is that blizzard has directly stated that Night Elves were first, and that the tauren myths, while a 'truth' in the eyes of a tauren, are just myths.
11-02-2010 @ 6:06PM
Bah, when I started my response, his was the only comment shown. Should have refreshed the page before re-hashing what every one has said already. :(
11-02-2010 @ 6:13PM
Well that's one battle the Alliance won...lets check the total shall we?Alliance: 6Horde: 4,597We're making a comeback! *weak-hearted cheers*
11-02-2010 @ 6:43PM
See, that's all well and good about what Nethaera said back in 2006, but then Blizzard went and added in http://www.wowhead.com/npc=30381#comments (Xarantaur, the witness), who says "I was one of the first tauren druids, of the last generation taught by Shan'do Cenarius, before the legion, before the sundering, when the world was still young. Before everything changed."Which implies that there were Tauren druids before him, and well before the Sundering, while Malfurion only began to learn Druidism a few weeks before the Sundering. He goes on to say that Cenarius left the Tauren and they began to forget Druidism, which may lead to the discrepancy between who learned it first.Blizzard's rewritten lore before. Not saying this definitely means Tauren were the first, but it makes a good argument.
11-02-2010 @ 8:40PM
First, schmirst. I'm not as concerned with who were the FIRST druids as I am with who are the *best* druids. (hint: moo!) }:0] tauren pride
11-02-2010 @ 9:09PM
@Wally: Isn't Mu'Sha how Taurens call Elune? I don't know how that is related with Taurens following the druidic path or not.I think you're confused with Paladins and "The Light".
11-02-2010 @ 10:37PM
Actually, I think Blizzard changed their mind about the Night Elves being the first Druidic race.Because of...http://www.wowpedia.org/XarantaurAnd in War of the Ancients novel by Knaak. He mentioned that Malfurion is the first mortal Druids while the Druids before have since turned into eternals and other such creatures.
11-03-2010 @ 6:22PM
Mu'sha is one of the earthmothers eyes, while there compelling evidence to suggest it(as KYL has mentioned) Mu'sha ! elune, that being said, no, E'lune ! NaaruAlso, An'she ! holy light. there all mythological perspectives that were tailored to the respective races, and while it could be true they are one in the same no where is that specifically stated.
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