Drama Mamas: The case of the nice guy and the social leech
I really don't think nice guys finish last. Sure, being the Nice Guy comes with pain and challenges, but overall, you are better off. At least at the end of the day, you know you did the right thing and will always have that to fall back on. But there's a difference between being nice and being a pushover. Sacrificing your leisure time every once in a while to help out a friend is good. Sacrificing your leisure time because your "friend" has alienated all other friends and is using guilt trips and pouting to ensnare you is not good.
Dear Drama Mamas,
I am an officer in a casual raiding guild. We were running 10-man ICC with a core group of about 12 people until the summer slump hit. As we progressed, we started getting all 12 people showing up on raid day, so we had to choose. The problem came when one of our DPS was showing up on time but was constantly going AFK, not paying attention, and being obnoxious in Vent -- generally holding the raid back. He started getting skipped over every time extra players were online. When he outright asked about this, the officers decided he was always going to be last pick. I insisted that we tell him that he was on backup status and why. The other officers didn't think it was necessary to say anything to him, but I did it anyway because I felt it was the right thing to do.
He was very upset and took it personally. He took all his characters and gquit. I thought he was an OK guy and fun to do old raids with, so I reassured him that even though he was leaving, I still liked him and that it was nothing personal.
It was fine for a while, but ever since Real ID came out and I swapped emails with all of my online buddies (I'm a character jumper), I can't get away from him! I was able to ignore the things I found obnoxious about him if I socialized in small doses, but now I'll log in or see his name pop up on my buddy list and the first thing he does is message me -- usually to complain, ask for favors or bug me because he's bored. I can't bring him to do other things with my friends because he's a real downer and kills the fun. If I tell him I'm busy, he acts offended, and I feel like I can't do what I wanted to do later without inviting him along. I avoided the guild drama and dropped it on myself! How do I get out of this?
Yours,
Hassled
Of course, nobody ever outright rejected. If someone had had the chutzpah to say, "I'm sorry, but you do not groom yourself well enough for us to want to be trapped indoors for hours with you" (or another appropriate reason), then the rejectee might have learned a valuable lesson. But no, everyone lied: "Sorry. Our game is full." If you decided to be Mr. Nice Guy and let Smelly Guy (or Annoying Guy or Talk For 20 Minutes About His Level 7 Character Guy) play, you were stuck with him at your weekly games, the new games you started up, the nerd parties you held, etc. (I was often Mean Rejection Girl. I refused to have anyone at the games I didn't want and was willing to tell people to their faces. I'm not proud. Would it have really hurt me to give some of these people a chance?)
Honestly, this really occurs in non-geeky situations too. It is like the girl who goes out with the guy to be nice and then is stuck with him asking her out over and over -- but she doesn't really like him that way. And it is similar to the kid who befriends the loner, then loses the friends who can't stand up to peer pressure.
Being the Nice Guy isn't easy. But it is the right thing to do. Your fellow officers were very wrong to not explain to The Hassler why he was last on the list. Handling it in a professional fashion might have changed the guy's attitude or at least made him realize it was his own doing. Instead, there were drama and bad feelings. You were right to tell him what was going on and why.
You were also right to befriend him. You didn't know that he would latch on to you like a social leech. But just because he wants to play and talk with you all the time doesn't mean you have to do what he wants. Just like you can tell Smelly Guy (quietly and in private) that he needs to start grooming or else he can't play Runequest with you anymore, you can control your own playtime with a little tough love.
- It's OK to tell him you're busy. If you politely tell him you're busy and he gets huffy, that's his issue, not yours. He shouldn't feel offended. You are not responsible for his fun and he needs to get over it.
- When he's being a downer, tell him. I don't always pull this part off well. If someone is complaining too much, I often testily say, "Then quit the game." I don't recommend this. You could also go the humorous route, but it doesn't sound like you have that kind of relationship with him. So, in your own words, tell him he's being a bit of a downer. If he actually cares about how you feel (rather than just holding on to anyone who will talk to him for his own selfish reasons), then he will not complain to you as much.
- Only do the things you want to do. If you don't want to invite him or spend time with him, then don't. A nice, bland "I'd really rather not, but thanks!" does wonders.
Also, until Blizzard provides us with the ability to mark ourselves invisible, I recommend in the future not giving out your Real ID to anyone except for close friends and family.
If you come to realize that you're not up for actually playing together but you wouldn't mind keeping in touch, figure out a time to chat that doesn't leave you feeling harried and put out. Unless you specifically address this consideration, I suspect you'll find that you always feel put-upon whenever he sends you a whisper.
- When is a good time for you to chat? On what characters?
- Is there a good time (or are you really kidding yourself here)?
- Are the only good times to chat so specific that it falls to you to initiate conversations?
- Are you interested and willing in initiating conversations at times that are convenient for you?
If you're having trouble dodging this guy in whispers, make it clear that he's interrupting: "The stuff I run with this character now makes it really hard to chat when I'm playing. Talk soon ..." or "Hi! Heh, that was a funny joke. Hey, busy right now, will talk after 10:00 when I'm free." (See how you've just given yourself a concrete window of time in which to play in peace?) Then don't answer anything else -- really. Just tuck his whispers into another chat tab and hide it or something. You might have to repeat this strategy a few times before he gets the hint.
The ultimate reply, of course, is "no." Oh sure, you can couch it a little: "I'm not really up for it right now" – but ultimately, you have to learn how to say "no." This could eventually hurt his feelings and cause him to leave. The question you have to be honest with yourself about: Would you actually miss him?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Saeadame Nov 5th 2010 3:16PM
I'm not super sure why, exactly, he gave out his Real ID in the first place. Even though he indicated that he occasionally likes to hang out with this guy, it seems a little odd to give what's basically your in-game cellphone number to someone you also find annoying.
It's like when you accidentally give the guy you know likes you, but you don't really like him back, your cell number, and then he texts and calls you all the time. You only make that mistake once, usually.
I tend to consider my Real ID like my cellphone, though maybe it's a comparison that doesn't work for everyone. If I just randomly meet people and they seem interesting, I'll add them on Facebook, because if I need/want to I can easily ignore them. My cell number I typically only give out to people I enjoy spending time around/talking to the majority of the time, as opposed to 'sometimes, when I'm in a particular mood.'
trefpoid Nov 5th 2010 3:55PM
He just delete him and tell him he deleted all his RealID friends for security reasons or something, I did it with a dude that was extremely annoying and who didn't give me any peace in any of my alts. Worked like a charm and now I can just disappear and not hear from him at all. It's great
trefpoid Nov 5th 2010 4:41PM
he should* just delete him..
wtb edit button.
roseclown Nov 5th 2010 6:31PM
Yeah, the only people I have given my RealID to is my two fellow GM's for our cataclsym guild. That is it. None others. I have known them for almost a year.
If one of my best friends start playing, I will give it to her.
Everyone else I say 'sorry, I am really careful about my realID. I have over 100 people on my friends list, but only 2 realid friends. lol. They are also people I know outside the game!'
John Nov 7th 2010 1:26AM
I'm willing to bet he has over 500 Facebook friends too...
Eirik Nov 5th 2010 3:28PM
Goodness! Runequest! That brings back memories. Body-part to-hit and armoring, skills to attack with, skills to defend with, really limited magic.... Never did get to play, though I got to skim the rules, make characters, etc.
Robin Torres Nov 5th 2010 4:29PM
We had a friend who was majoring in anthropology. He created a world with races, an extensive map, multiple cultures and even languages. I've lost track of him, but I hope he's found his calling as an MMO designer/creator.
It was probably the best pencil and paper, on the floor, bags of dice, game for hours experience I've ever had.
Brandon Nov 5th 2010 3:30PM
When I first started I was leveling an alt hunter and befriended a girl at low level and played with her for a while. She was so creepy/stalker like that I actually stayed away from playing him for a long time.
I have only given out real ID to close friends from school work or family.
Elwoods Nov 5th 2010 3:32PM
Things like this is one of the reasons I will never use RealID.
I do like to disappear in game sometimes and just not be found by anyone!
Moo Nov 5th 2010 3:53PM
Same here Elwoods. Most of the time I'm really social in game (it is a mmo, after all) but there are times when I just want to go farm mats on my alt or something. Everyone has days when they just want to do their own thing. RealID really seems to preclude that. I've got it shut off entirely, pretty much since the moment I picked up Starcraft 2. At the time, RealID friends on WoW would know if you were logged in on SC, and that seemed really over the top intrusive to me.
I heard that they were going to include an option to "go invisible" when playing SC but I just decided to turn RealID off completely. The in-game friends and guild lists work just fine for me.
Priestess Nov 5th 2010 5:06PM
Seconded. (Thirded?) There are reasons you don't know all my alts, dear game friend. As a female, I never liked the idea of being easily found anyway. And it only took a few minutes of being RealID "friends" with my husband for him to cry out in agony over my "Wifey has come online. Wifey has gone offline. Wifey has come online." spam in his text box. RealID went away. And it's oh so nice that way. There are so many other convenient and potentially ignorable ingame contact options already.
BigDumbFace Nov 6th 2010 6:05AM
@Priestess:
Wait.... explain this to me.
First: Why was your husband "crying in agony" 'Wifey has come online. (rinse, repeat).
Second: Why would your husband being happy to see you online cause you to cut off RealID.
Something's not being said here.
BigDumbFace Nov 6th 2010 6:08AM
Nevermind. I guess rereading your comment did the trick. Regardless... odd choice of terminology.
Priestess Nov 7th 2010 5:42PM
I'll answer that anyway. We play side by side. He knows perfectly well when I'm logging in and out a million times and why. But with RealID on, he had to have his chat log flooded with dozens of messages, making it hard to actually see anything in chat while I was online. With it off, he can add none or only a few of my alts to his friends list for convenience and some peace in his chat log. Which incidentally is probably what the letter writer is hoping for. Yet another pitfall of RealID!
Better now?
jfofla Nov 5th 2010 3:51PM
Situations like this really show the potential nightmare of RealID. There is nowhere to hide from this guy!
RetPallyJil Nov 5th 2010 3:51PM
Coop! Coop! Coop! /throws the horns
albanesp Nov 5th 2010 3:57PM
Cut and run ladies and gentlemen, cut and run.
As our delightful mamas stated, OP did not mention whether or not they wanted to remain friends or not.
If not /ignore, drop them from Realid (this is possible right?), or simply come out and say "look, I didn't want to hurt your feelings, BUT because of x, y, and z, I don't want you to stop contacting me"
In Madoran, where my mains are, we had a teenage hunter who talked incessantly and his favorite word was "I". He knew his class well and didn't cause wipes, but it was impossible to enjoy the game with him yammering in vent. I told him several times, nicely and privately, that he needed to talk less and stop talking about himself so much. He just couldn't help himself and got /gkicked by our RL.
g2g591 Nov 5th 2010 3:58PM
As you and other commenters have said, don't give people you don't know very well your realID. I've only given mine to a couple close friends whom I've known for quite a while online, and people I know IRL.
omedon666 Nov 5th 2010 4:05PM
The last line is the most important. Honesty about your needs, and your reaction to their needs, are the most important self-filtration tools you have for keeping worthwhile friends.
If you say "not now", and they understand, they take a step closer to being "a keeper".
If you exist honestly with the degree of distance and comfort your relationship with them feels is proper, and they are not happy with that, and you are not comfortable with bending further, that is self filtration. Let them go.
Synchronicity of comfort zones is the most important element of any relationship at any degree, and the lack of it is the largest contributor to situations that motivate this week's letter. One person's version of "high maintenance" is another's comfort zone, one person's degree of "comfortable distance" is another's version of neglect. Sometimes two people can lean to the edges of their comfort zones out of a desire to connect further with someone they find great happiness with for other reasons, but there's a difference between bending and breaking. No friendship where people have to break to make it happen is a good one.
OldGod Nov 5th 2010 4:29PM
Tip: You can use Ignore on a Real ID "friend" and it ignores all of their toons.
Not that I am suggesting to do this but if he takes the break up badly or just doesn't understand that you need time when you are both online without him you can just ignore his real ID and not receive a message no matter what to you or he are on.