Shifting Perspectives: Dungeon diving in 4.0.3 and beyond

It seems that my fellow Shifting Perspectives cohort Allison Robert miffed a few people in her latest installment in regards to druidic lore, so I'm going to add a bit of clarification -- because I'm that much of a nice guy. The tauren were not the first druids; the night elves were the first druids. In fact, the first druids were clearly the blood elves -- who captured the Naaru Elune, sapped her nature-ness and used her holy powers to create a race of super-druids that then spread chaos across Azeroth. Their destruction was so terrible that they were banished to Outland, where they constructed Botanica, an interdimensional spaceship, in an effort to grow their own world tree and conquer the universe as we know it. This conquest was only thwarted by Rhonin going back in time to slay the blood elf druid leader, High Botanist Freywinn, before their project could be completed, leaving the blood elf druids stranded in Botanica until wayward adventurers butchered them all as they made their way toward Kael'thas Sunstrider.
And now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Now that we all have our facts straight, I want to get down to the business of talking about dungeon diving as it will be in Cataclysm. It's common knowledge by now that future dungeons are nothing akin to what we have seen in Wrath; mobs hit really flippin' hard, so hard that tanking an entire pack solo is entirely out of the question. Using CC is a requirement of the new dungeons, and it's not the only change that players need to be prepared for. Focusing on the tank's target, avoiding incoming damage, and possibly even healing yourself in times of trouble also need to be considered. Dungeons, particularly the heroics, can be very dangerous, and you should be as prepared for them as you possibly can.
Learning the basics
Crowd control is important, and it is going to be the focus of many players now as they relearn the skills that they might have lost during the time that Wrath has been out, when CC didn't matter at all. CC in of itself is a fairly simple task; yes, there are some people who are better at it than others (just as with everything else in the game), but it's all a matter of execution. Everyone already knows how to put Entangling Roots or Hibernate on their bars and press the button to cast it; that isn't difficult. But there are better, more effective ways to use CC.
- Focus -- as in, use the focus function. Set your CC target as your focus, and set up your UI so that your focus target is displayed clearly and is distinguishable from the rest of your target bars. This allows you to keep better tabs on your target so you don't have to switch back and forth to track in order to know how much time is left on your CC or whether or not the mob is even CCed. You can also make a keybind to instantly set something as your focus, and I strongly suggest doing this if you aren't making use of the tactic already.
- Refresh your CC early. If your target is going to be one the last killed, then don't wait for the last second to recast whatever CC you are using; instead, try to refresh it when you get a chance, such as when you are switching targets. This prevents mobs from accidentally getting free for even a second, which could be all it takes for a mob to kill someone or some another player to over-react to a "free" mob and hit it with a DoT effect that will ruin your CC attempts.
- Communication is important! People like to rush through dungeons; not everyone has a lot of play time, and we all like to get things done as quickly as we possibly can. That is all fine and dandy, but wiping due to communication errors takes far longer than setting up proper CC markers. It's so easy to do that there's no excuse not to. At the start of a run, simply assign each CCer in your group a specific raid marker -- it literally takes 2 seconds before a pull to throw up a couple of markers so players know who is going to be CCing what and what needs to be killed first.
Macros make your life easier
If you are a newer player (or perhaps even an older one), you might not have put much effort into creating macros. I know that I personally never had many CC macros for my druid until recently -- and I'm still making new ones every day. Macros are amazing tools that can be used to do virtually anything you want. For CCing, the most basic macro that you may want to invest in is something like this:
As far as macros go, this is the most basic, but it gets the job done very effectively, with every line doing exactly what it says. Using it will immediately cancel any other spell you may be casting, target whatever you have set as your focus target, cast Entangling Roots (you can also change this to Hibernate if you wish to cast that spell), and then return you to your last target. There are multiple ways you can write the exact same macro for the exact same effect, but this one works and is simple enough./stopcasting
/targetfocus
/cast Entangling Roots
/targetlasttarget
Now, there's a different alternative to the previous macro that you can use for CCing, which is to create a mouseover macro. Mouseover macros are brilliant little buggers that don't require you to actually target anything in the traditional sense. Instead, they are cast on the creature that your mouse is currently over -- the actual model itself, the nameplate, or even your focus target box. A mouseover macro for Entangling Roots would look like this:
That's it! With this, the game will check the target your mouse is currently over, and if it is hostile, it will cast Entangling Roots on it. The best thing is that your actual target will never change, so you don't have to fumble around with trying to retarget the mob you were attempting to kill before rooting a different mob./stopcasting
/cast [target=mouseover, harm] Entangling Roots
Thorns is another excellent spell that can be attached to a mouseover macro for quick use on a tank during battle. Just replace the harm qualifier with help and then change the spell. (You can do this for any of your beneficial spells, in fact.)
Last but not least, I would also like to highlight an addon that is extremely valuable in so many ways. CCWarn is fantastic in that it does exactly what it says it does: It warns others that they are about to break your CC. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in frantic fights -- and yes, it can be that quick little whisper from this addon that prevents someone from breaking one of your CCs. The same effect of this addon can be done via a macro as well, but it is a bit too long/complex to list out here. It's safer and easier to merely use the addon.
Keeping up with the tanks
Balance druids are one of the odd animals of this expansion, at least in terms of our mastery. Eclipse isn't fully passive, such as Enhanced Elements is for enhancement shaman, and as such, we aren't balanced around having a 100 percent uptime on Eclipse. Yet there are going to be plenty of occasions when you'll find yourself starting a pull off with an Eclipse buff up, which is going to significantly increase your initial damage output.
Always be aware of the damage that you are going to be able to put out before you start casting, and always make sure that your tank has enough threat before your start to unload your damaging spells. Another key thing to remember is that DoTs only dynamically shift in respect to haste and crit, not raw damage modifiers -- and your DoTs can very well hurt.
Although it's an outdated encounter, General Vezex in Ulduar is a perfect example of why this is important to take note of. If you happen to get dangerously close to pulling off of your tank on this encounter and stop casting, then you also need to get out of the Shadow Crash; simply not casting additional spells isn't enough. By staying in the Shadow Crash, the DoTs are still gaining the haste buff, and their damage alone is going to be enough to out-threat a tank. However, moving out removes the haste effect from the DoTs almost instantly. Hodir functions the same way with the Lunar Beams. Be on the lookout for any similar effects in Cataclysm and keep them in mind not only for threat issues, but also for increasing your damage; even if you cannot directly cast, keeping those buffs applied keeps your DoTs buffed.
No matter what the encounter design, the most important factor is to always be aware of your threat and never, ever pull off of your tank.
Being a restokin?
That nonrestoration healing has been drastically reduced in comparison to what it once was is a understatement. Regardless of the class that you play, if you are not specced for healing, then your healing spells pretty much suck. Specialization and talents account for such a large portion of raw healing output that DPS-focused hybrids cannot even dream of being consider viable off healers for anything serious. Once you reach even the Northrend level of dungeons, you are going to struggle just to keep a tank alive during a standard pull, let alone against a real boss mob; in Cataclysm dungeons ... forget about it.
This doesn't mean that your healing spells are completely worthless and that you should forget about them completely. It's a long cooldown, but Tranquility can prevent a wipe if things start to go south at any point. Further, Lifebloom is a rather powerful heal even without all the bells and whistle to support it. If group damage is very high and your healer is having trouble keeping everyone alive, then consider taking the time to throw a Lifebloom or two on yourself; it's limited to a single target at a time, so unfortunately, you cannot spread the love around. No one cares about your damage output if you're dead, and using your healing spells is one of the best tools that we have in keep ourselves alive. Never be afraid to use them if you feel the need.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
yogamattk Nov 12th 2010 2:08PM
Great Point... i Think the first sentence might be wrong... you are trying to make the point the Blood Elves are the first Druids... but you say the nighelves are... i think you meant to say 'aren't even' or something like that... Still Great point!
Heroblade13 Nov 12th 2010 2:09PM
What are your thoughts on CC for feral druids? Not the tanking kind but for us Kitties, shifting in and out to refresh roots really lowers our dps, and isnt the most effective way to help the group
Saeadame Nov 12th 2010 2:24PM
Probably, you'll want to just hope that there are enough other, better CCers in the group.
But as a side note, the point that he's making is that DPS DOESN'T MATTER. If your tank dies because you're not CCing properly, then you'll all die and your OP kitty DPS because you didn't stop to entangling roots is moot point anyway.
If you need to CC, don't worry about your DPS at all. Just concentrate on CCing, and DPS when you have the time. Yes, the fight might take a little longer, but slow and steady wins the race =).
mike Nov 12th 2010 2:32PM
I think the point is that super awesome calculated dps is not going to be what completes the instance, it's your cc and smarts. You are going to have *worse* dps anyways because you can't go full out.
The Dewd Nov 12th 2010 3:44PM
There's no reason a kitty can't help CC - the group just needs to understand that, baring some sort of pull-gone-bad, they need to kill your target first because you can't easily refresh like most "casters".
Jorges Nov 12th 2010 3:57PM
Yeah, we kitties are screwed anyway since we need some ramp up time to get our damage going. So, if CC is in order, then we should just concentrate on CC. Contrary to what you think, we'll be helping the most by doing this. Remember that our strength lies in long boss figths, not in trash or mini-bosses.
Meatwadz Nov 12th 2010 4:06PM
You should have Predator's Swiftness up almost all the time. This makes Entangling Roots an insta-cast. If you don't trust the buff's uptime, go get Glyph of Entangling Roots. For a feral to cast roots, you lose 2 globals... Not much more than anybody else would lose refreshing cc.
It is also worth mentioning that Cyclone, while short in duration, can ABSOLUTELY SAVE someones ass. It is also an insta-cast with Predator's Swiftness.
Meatwadz Nov 12th 2010 4:11PM
Jorges, have you played your kitty lately? I am fully ramped up in 4-5 gcds, as as should you be.
Mangle > Rake > Shred > [RNG] >Rip
In fact, the BEAUTY of it all is that our dots hit so damn hard, and energy continues to build in caster form (if specced properly) so you shouldn't lose much dps at all. A few white hits in the scheme of things won't be a huge loss. We'll make mages jealous.
Jey Nov 12th 2010 4:17PM
I think one thing to keep in mind is that we are going to see a shift from the good dps being the ones who pull super high numbers, to the ones who are able to do good dps while keeping their mob crowd controlled. I know that being a tank i would way rather have the rest of my group just watch their CC and let me kill the main target then let their CC break and have everything kill me because the damage is too high.
Plus as people have said above, there really isnt much loss if you are doing it well. For cats specifically you could just refresh your bleeds and then shift and CC (making sure to do this before it breaks) and then shift back, retaining your energy through furor, and then get your 1-2 shreds off at minimal dps loss.
Jorges Nov 12th 2010 6:55PM
@Meatwadz: Mangle > Rake > Shred > [RNG] >Rip ? That was before 4.0.1 my friend. Seems like you're the one who haven't played your kitty lately... After patch 4.0.1 it goes something like this:
FC/FFF > Mangle > Shred > TF > Ravage > Rake > 5CP Rip > SR and continue with priorities. If need be, I can gladly explain why I use this order.
It takes about 7 - 8 GCD to be "completely" ramped up (in a good case scenario), and it only includes setting all your debuffs/buffs in place. Going from there takes some time. You can skip some of those abilities to start sooner and then keep up with the CC but you will gimp your DPS anyway, which is my point.
So, don't worry about your numbers on the meters and focus on doing a good CC job. Eventually you will do both things very well.
Benjaroku Nov 12th 2010 2:15PM
I may be wrong about this, so feel free to correct me, but if you've already set your focus, then wouldn't
/stopcasting
/cast [@focus] Entangling Roots
root your focus without switching you off your current target?
KPB Nov 12th 2010 3:28PM
That would work. It's also shorter and I think just as easy or even easier to understand than the example.
Tyler Caraway Nov 12th 2010 11:23PM
Indeed it does. But shhhh, I was trying to demonstrate different commands that can be within a macro for those that usually don't use them. ;)
Personally, though, I find the mouseover one better for CCing -- and a few other tasks -- because you don't have to have a focus set and can use it easier on the fly, even solo if you happen to snag an extra mob.
Zaros Nov 12th 2010 2:19PM
I accidentally this article.
On a more related note, I think that we should be fine as long as we utilize our racials and utility abilities at the right moment. If you have a solar eclipse, it may be a smart idea to pop thorns on the tank as this will give your tank the extra threat needed for you to unleash your massive DPS. If you do catch aggro from some stray mob, stop what your doing and cast Nature's grasp.
As long as we keep our eyes open we shouldn't have too many problems.
On another unrelated note, THE MOONKIN HATCHING IS WAY TOO CUTE! It can fly.........
Natsumi Nov 12th 2010 4:29PM
Pfff it has nothing on Lil' Ragnaros
highfive Nov 12th 2010 2:29PM
Rhonin did what? Thanks for the spoiler.JK, kinda.
Cephas Nov 12th 2010 3:04PM
The whole first paragraph is a joke.
Justin Nov 12th 2010 3:33PM
So will they be changing the lower dungeons as well to make them need more CC?
preventer Nov 12th 2010 2:36PM
hmmmm im confused i though that blood elves could never have been druids because of the falling out with ysera ?
and is Elune actually a naaru ? is this confirmed in cata or some place iv missed ?
Saeadame Nov 12th 2010 2:53PM
... the beginning was a joke.
Which you didn't get, I guess.