Spiritual Guidance: Levels 80 to 85 as a priest, plus latest beta changes, page 2

So now it's time to talk leveling. I've been thinking about how to have this conversation with you guys for a while now because I knew I was going to be the bearer of bad news. Basically, here's the deal: You'll want to level as shadow.
Now stop, stop! Don't feel betrayed my fellow priests. I'm still going to supply you with advice on alternatives, but my wholehearted recommendation to every priest going from 80 to 85 is to level shadow. I think this will allow for the most pleasurable leveling experience due to the pacing and effectiveness of it. Leveling as disc or holy by questing is just an exhausting process, and though you'll think everything is fine the first two levels, by the time you get to level 83, you'll be pulling your hair out. The increased damage healers get from Chakra or Evangelism will not scale upward enough to compare to the damage a DPS class can do, and it takes four to five times longer to kill a single mob as a healing spec than a damage spec. Combine that with the amount of damage higher level mobs hit for and you'll usually find yourself dead if you have to fight more than one opponent at once. It's not pretty.
What about healing through the random dungeon finder? Well, that's riddled with problems, too. As I said last week, the new dungeons require a lot more coordination, preparation, and patience. Even a peon would know the average PUG doesn't stand a chance, so expect many of your groups to disband or lose some vital component (*cough*tank*cough*) after the first trash wipe. If you have friends who you can clear dungeons with, then that will help, but I still wouldn't rely solely on dungeons to level up. Experience from quests is so significant, and since you have to discover dungeon portals before you can queue for them anyway, you might as well quest while you're out in the zones.
Quests are hands down the best way to level in Cataclysm due to the experience they reward. That's why shadow is the way to go. However, I know there are a bunch of you who are tried-and-true healing priests and you're happy to level up at a slower rate if it means not having to Mind Flay. If that's who you are then fine, let's do this.
Where to level
So as I said before, you'll be questing. (You can still heal dungeons, of course, but don't plan for them to be more than a break from the leveling.) Since I already mentioned trash mobs are lethal at higher levels, it's best if you complete both level 80 zones, Mount Hyjal and Vashj'ir. These zones are roughly equivalent to Borean Tundra and Howling Fjord in Wrath, serving as two possible locations for players to start their level 80 characters when Cataclysm launches. As a healing priest with dinky damage, it's in your best interest to do these zones, because the health and damage of mobs will be lower than what you'll find later. Anyway, if you complete both these zones in their entirety, you should have no trouble getting to about level 83.
From there, you can quest through Deepholm, and that should get you through most of level 84. To get to 85, you can mix in some dungeons or work on the precursor quests that lead to Twilight Highlands.
Some things you should know is that every quest hub starts in your faction's capital and the quest givers will typically direct you to a portal that will transport you to the quest hub. Without the bread crumb quests in the capital cities, you won't really be able to start questing in any of the zones, so don't just fly to the zone expecting to get started. (Or swim, if you're going to Vashj'ir ... it ends tragically, I promise.) Everything is very linear and requires you to start in the right starting spot. Also, there are level requirements for all the zones after Hyjal and Vashj'ir, so don't expect to just dive into a high-level zone.
- Deepholm requires 82.
- Uldum requires level 83.
- Twilight Highlands requires level 84.
How to level
You may remember I wrote some leveling guides this past summer to help players out for new priests they wanted to make before Cataclysm. The whole thing was quite a learning experience for me, and I've since decided that I probably overcomplicated everything with detail.
I think I should stress that when you're leveling, you don't actually need to min-max our rotation for quest mobs. Priests have a pretty large collection of damage spells, when you factor in the shadow spells, but using all of them to get the maximum amount of damage per second is far from necessary. In fact, if you incorporate your entire damage toolbox into each pull, you'll actually find you only cast Smite a few times, which doesn't share much synergy with the points we put into Chakra or Evangelism.
There are a lot of different ways you could play. You might also really hate sitting to drink, for example, so you might use a rotation of spells that focuses around using the most cost-effective spells more so that you can stretch out how long it takes to burn through your mana between your cooldowns so you don't need to sit too much. Just use some deductive reasoning.
This idea goes for talents, too, since there are a ton of of talents you can use for leveling that vary in their effectiveness based on how you're leveling (e.g., by yourself, with a friend, or with a group.) A talent like Reflective Shield, for example, is one you might consider taking if you are questing entirely by yourself, but if you're with a friend, you'll be wasting those talent points each time he holds threat (which he will, if he's a tank or damage class.)
There really is no fast way to level as a healing priest, so enjoy the flexibility you get from making the decision to take your time by doing it your way. I'm not going to tell you how to enjoy your game, and leveling as holy or disc might actually help you better learn the full extent of your class as a healer (which is particularly handy if you want to PvP). When you get to level cap, you'll find more precise guides from me which will help refine things you're doing right and correct things you might have been doing wrong. Learn what works through trial and error.
All the details
That said, I'm not going to throw you guys to the foxes by stopping here. I'm still going to provide you with a few lists that suggests things you wouldn't ordinarily use as a healer but will want to consider for your questing spec. First up are the different talents you can consider in your builds.
Discipline
- Inner Sanctum This talent makes you run faster with Inner Will. Anyone whose ever run back from a wipe and seen a ret paladin slowly creep ahead of the group knows that those little speed buffs do add up. Running faster when you level, especially in places where you can't mount, will buy you time.
- Reflective Shield I already mentioned this talents in my example, and I do recommend it for solo play. It will up your damage without costing you any more mana than you were already spending.
- Test of Faith Just max this out if you're planning on soloing. You'll be surprised how easy it is to fall below 50 percent of your health. Actually, if I haven't said this already, this talent is a million times more effective in Cataclysm than it was in Wrath, and you might want to use it even when you're not leveling, if you can spare the points.
- Improved Shadow Word: Pain You'll be using Shadow Word: Pain to chip away at each mob you fight, so this talent is worth considering.
- Veiled Shadows 60 seconds less doesn't mean too much in dungeons, but it's really helpful when you're leveling. This is a favorite choice of mine for leveling.
You can skip talents that are only applicable when conducting focused healing (Strength of Soul, Serendipity) or group-oriented healing (Circle of Healing, Lightwell, Spirit of Redemption.) Also notice I didn't recommend all the PvP talents available to healing priests. This is because not all PvP talents are necessarily good choices for leveling, since most mobs do not have cooldowns to blow on you, and the single strikes of damage they do aren't usually that big. Both Blessed Resilience and Focused Will assume to some extent that you're receiving an onslaught of damage, which will really only be the case if you plan on trying to pull multiple mobs at once.
There are also some glyphs that you might want to consider for leveling.
- Glyph of Divine Accuracy This glyph is a no-brainer, since it will keep your Smite from missing.
- Glyph of Holy Nova Though Holy Nova spam is a tried-and-true method for holy and disc priest leveling, it's not as effective in Cataclysm. This glyph will help. Since it won't always be the most effective way to down mobs, you might find yourself swapping this one in and out.
- Glyph of Psychic Scream A must-have glyph for any holy or disc priest planning on going solo and a handy way to CC enemies so your melee DPS leveling partner doesn't have to continually chase after mobs attacking you.
- Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain Shadow Word: Pain is an expensive spell for healing priest; this glyph will help it go further.
- Glyph of Smite The cooldown on Holy Fire makes this glyph a lot less satisfying to use than you'd think, but a buff to what will probably be your primary damage spell is still a buff you can appreciate.
- Glyph of Spirit Tap This interesting new glyph could help out your mana a bunch if you're good at sniping killing blows with Shadow Word: Death. Twelve percent is a good chunk of mana, and even if you only get it off every other mob you kill, that could be the difference between sitting to drink or moving along. You could even consider combining this glyph with the next one ...
- Glyph of Shadow Word: Death This will buy you more opportunities to use Shadow Word: Death, just in case you misfire.
As for gear, you're going to see a lot of upgrades as soon as you get to Hyjal or Vashj'ir, if you're wearing anything less than item level 277 gear. If you're decked in 264, you'll see a lot of immediate side grades, and anything less than that will be replaced with the very first quest reward. If you are in 277 gear, you'll start seeing upgrades form quest blues and weapons in Deepholm.
And that's honestly all there is to it. Obviously, there is no special tactic to reading or completing quests that priests have, so get out there, and good luck. If you have any questions or additional contributions to help out other priests, leave them in the comments, as usual.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Phatbear Nov 15th 2010 1:18AM
PW:B Overpowered? As opposed to DK's AMZ, or Paladin's Divine Guardian?
Let's face it PW:B on live at the moment is close to garbage with it's long CD it becomes very situational and it's current scaling mechanic can sometimes make it disappear in seconds.
I am totally for the change because we are talking about a 31 point talent in the disc tree not a tier 5 talent.
Angus Nov 15th 2010 12:51AM
DG is OP, most tankadins agree on that. The good ones at least.
One does not want a raid spot simply because a 20% bubble will defeat a boss mechanic.
AMZ is in a DPS spec. It has 0 DPS increasing ability so there is a fairly good chance it will be skipped. It works on the primary form of boss burst damage, so that is pretty impressive, but it has an upper limit on damage to balance that out. The short as hell cd is a bit too good.
Chokaa Nov 15th 2010 5:47AM
It was hard to find the talents to pick up AMZ (unless you were running a TSG comp and all you did was spam Chains) back when there were 71 taker points. With 41 points, you're not going to find very many dk's willing to spend 4 of them for AMZ. PW:B is one talent point, and it rocks the socks off any other similar spell(in it's current iteration) I don't think it's wicked OP, but as Dawn said, it would be nice to have a shorter cd and less effective raidbubble, just so we can use it whenever it's available, instead of waiting for the 'right' time.
Cale Nov 14th 2010 11:13PM
Did you (or other priest beta testers) find any quests particularly fun for or applicable to priests?
I know there aren't class-specific quests anymore, but I wonder if, for example, there are any priestly story lines or quest rewards we should watch out for.
Gethe Nov 15th 2010 12:13AM
I plan on lvling a goblin disc priest when cata comes out, this will be my first healing class (my other toons are a hunter and a DK tank). do you have any info that might help as i lvl and learn how to heal?
Saeadame Nov 15th 2010 1:01AM
Leveling Holy is actually not that bad. I'm not sure if it's still the same, but pre-cata it was actually better than levelling shadow because pre-level 40 shadow damage was pretty weak (being balanced around being in shadow form... which you didn't have yet at that point).
I would level Holy or Disc (whichever you prefer, really), picking up damage increasing talents as you go. At 40, if you can, buy dual spec and redo your holy/disc spec to be a healing-only spec, and make your off-spec shadow for questing. That way you can do some dungeons, and get experience in what healing as a priest is like, but still be OK while leveling.
Unain Nov 15th 2010 8:10AM
In Cata you can get dual spec at 20 :).
Saitenyo Nov 16th 2010 3:24PM
I leveled as holy from 1-74 and absolutely loved it. I'd tried shadow previously and hated the playstyle, but I found the holy smite build to be fun and refreshing and not too slow.
That said, I think 4.0.1 kind of killed it. :/ There seem to be a disappointing lack of damage-increasing talents in the new holy tree right now and for the first time I found leveling to be extremely slow and painful. Mobs take forever to go down.
I was pretty disappointed about this change but I think Disc may be the new way to go for healing priests that want to level with smite. I respecced to disc and there are actually some nice damage talents in there. Opening with Penance and following up with Holy Fire, Smites until almost dead, and finishing with SW:D works really well. I usually only have to cast 1 or 2 smites on most mobs before I can pop SW:D.
I am still worried this will change when I start tackling the higher level mobs in Cat, but for now Disc seems to be a very viable leveling spec for healers who want to quest but hate shadow.
Picviewer Nov 15th 2010 1:01AM
I'm sorry but did i miss dual specs being taken out with cataclysm? Level as shadow, pug/instance/raid as heals what is the problem here?
I'm looking at PW:Barrier to be redone as the DK eggshield in a few revisions if this is how they are already tweaking it.
Saeadame Nov 15th 2010 1:17AM
I think this is for the die-hard healing priests that are specced holy/disc and want to stay that way.
... like me.
Lios Nov 15th 2010 3:19AM
I don't like respeccing all the time while leveling. I have a memory problem and if I play a few hours as shadow, I need an hour to readjust to holy/disc healing, so I level as holy or disc. Then I can jump right into an instance and remember what all my spells do. Not everyone is the same :-)
Aris Nov 15th 2010 2:07PM
I have never had a single point in shadow until now (/hi Veiled Shadows). I just can't imagine playing my healer as anything other than a healer. I worked out leveling holy for 80 levels, I can do five more.
Also, this suggestion is exactly what I was planning on doing, anyway! It's how I did Wrath, too. Both starting zones cleared and then clear each successive zone left me with 3.5 high level zones worth of gold giving quests.
Saitenyo Nov 16th 2010 3:28PM
Some people just don't like the Shadow playstyle. I actually do run with dual-specs: a Holy spec for healing, and a Disc spec for solo questing damage.
I really enjoy the bursty style of Smite leveling, but hated the channeling/dotting playstyle of Shadow.
Saitenyo Nov 16th 2010 3:28PM
Some people just don't like the Shadow playstyle. I actually do run with dual-specs: a Holy spec for healing, and a Disc spec for solo questing damage.
I really enjoy the bursty style of Smite leveling, but hated the channeling/dotting playstyle of Shadow.
obarthelemy Nov 15th 2010 1:19AM
Have you tried levelling by spamming Holy Nova, this time ? Last time you didn't even try it, even though it was by far the most effective way to level, and I don't see you mentioning it this time either, even just to dismiss it.
It requires as much mana, regen as possible, then crit, and seeking right-size groups of lower-level mobs. Took about 30-60 minutes to get right in WOTLK.
Saeadame Nov 15th 2010 1:36AM
"Glyph of Holy Nova Though Holy Nova spam is a tried-and-true method for holy and disc priest leveling, it's not as effective in Cataclysm. This glyph will help. Since it won't always be the most effective way to down mobs, you might find yourself swapping this one in and out."
I'm pretty sure she mentions it right there.
chrissie Nov 15th 2010 10:07AM
Pretty disappointed to hear that leveling solely through dungeons isn't nearly as efficient as questing. I was planning to level my main while avoiding the horrible new-expansion questing competition by doing so, then go back and enjoy the quests on an alt once the leveling rush calmed down a bit. I hate having to fight over mobs with thirty others questing in the same area. :(
Also not too happy about the ineffectiveness (again, that is what it sounds like) of leveling as Disc, but I suppose I can't complain; leveling as a healer already seems much improved over the past. Ah, well, time to learn post-4.0.1 Shadow.
I am definitely pleased over the buffs to Disc raid healing! I expect things to get nerfed down a bit, though not having touched Beta, I have no idea how far Disc priests are lagging behind; even so, the ability to proc 5 Divine Aegises at a time and to see Power Word: Barrier remain in raids for more than a second before poof-ing away makes me a happy camper.
draxredd Nov 15th 2010 4:56AM
Evangelism, Chakra, Shadowform.
Priest is a Stance-based class, down wrong (unnecessarily complicated).
ironfungus Nov 15th 2010 5:34AM
Great guide, I look forward to reading more. But no ... the Atonement Discipline Priest trumps Shadow.
Dahk Nov 15th 2010 6:34AM
"...the new Power Word: Barrier (which is basically an AoE Pain Suppression) strikes me as absurdly overpowered. It's really cool -- don't get me wrong -- but I think if the ability stands, we'll see strategies for encounters where multiple priests are taken just to rotate the use of Power Word: Barrier."
The long CD makes it comparable not OP. Only a small portion of the raiding population will have the ability to dictate using a multiple Disc Priest strat. Do you have any examples of fights were this might happen and what boss abilities it will trivialize?
The AoE heals did get nerfed for 25m raiding, but since 10m is just the same its really no nerf. 6/10 vs 6/25 will make healing in general way easy in 10's.