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11-16-2010 @ 6:18PM
Do the females still do nothing but pout in the stocks? I actually really wanted to play a female worgen druid and had all these awesome ideas, but right now two things are keeping me from it.1. The stocks. The guys fight and the girls... whimper. Like kicked puppies. Even if it is one animation, it is the first time you see your toon and for me (being a english major who studies story telling elements) it's hard to get past what this says about them.2. The eyes. I could handle the chihuahua forehead if their eyes were anything like the males, and lacked the major eyeshadow. /sighAh well, luckily I had a troll druid planned. Just bums me out that the female worgen have such puppy-ish features, especially when they do have a lot of cool animations. :/Ah well, RPing with a female worgen druid, I hardly knew ye...
11-16-2010 @ 6:43PM
Someone said in a post the other day that they are still going to tweak the female worgens. I thought that was overly optimistic but I'm still hopeful! As for the Stocks... I know not exactly what you are referencing so It's not in my way but from your description it'll bug me a lot when I get there. :(
11-16-2010 @ 6:47PM
Let me link you pictures from my photobucket that I took in modelviewer.This is what the guys look like for most the time in the stocks...http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/roseclown/worgenstruggle.jpgThis is what the girls look like all the animation through...http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/roseclown/Sadpandaworgen.jpgExcept a little bit more pathetic, since it is animated.Uuuurgh... it's just I can't look at her and think 'werewolf'. I think 'anthro dog'. And with this animation and the eyes, it's like they are less of a worgen then the males are. Which just isn't right.
11-16-2010 @ 6:50PM
Let me link you pictures from my photobucket that I took in modelviewer.This is what the guys look like for most the time in the stocks...http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/roseclown/worgenstruggle.jpgThis is what the girls look like all the animation through...http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/roseclown/Sadpandaworgen.jpgExcept a little bit more pathetic, since it is animated.Uuuurgh... it's just I can't look at her and think 'werewolf'. I think 'anthro dog'. And with this animation and the eyes, it's like they are less of a worgen then the males are. Which just isn't right. But hey, at least my goblin priestess is looking wicked awesome!http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/roseclown/Snuffit101-1.png
11-16-2010 @ 6:55PM
...the comment system hates me today. /sigh
Yeah, that picture is freaking pathetic. I wonder what they heck they were thinking there? Why would female worgen be passive and wussy? They are kick-ass as human women even. I can't see why they'd take a step backwards as a worgen.Well, enjoy the gobbo - I won't touch them with a ten foot pole. ;)
11-16-2010 @ 6:59PM
Pfft, of course you wouldn't. They are sheer nuclear awesome. Touching them with even a eleven foot pole would cause a explosion that would take out a eleven mile radius.But yeah, the stocks animation bothers me. Heck, as a wimpy female gamer girl who has arms like noodles, I would be fighting in those stocks! And yelling. And probably a fair bit of cursing. ...Really is there any woman that would look around with puppy dog eyes like that?
11-16-2010 @ 7:18PM
I feel like there's some kind of awful joke about parking tickets in here somewhere. :ducks:But more seriously, I can't believe that the men get to be all GRAWR lemme out of here, and the women are... that. I know they've been trying to balance the worgen females to be the right about of fierce and feminine, but I feel like that is the *wrong* direction.(That red hair on the goblin is so great. I think I may have to steal that. Complementary colors are so great.)
11-16-2010 @ 10:31PM
on the female "cowering" look. I used to ride a bike to work, and had to go through an area with a lot of feral dogs, that look is pretty much exactly how they would look right before they lunge at you. That wolf-woman is bidding her time, and trying to get people closer.
11-16-2010 @ 10:39PM
11-17-2010 @ 12:19AM
...I work at the SPCA. I have seen the cowering look. It ain't the one in the model viewer. 1. Their movements are stiffer.2. Hair on back is usually raised.3. Lips are fluttering into a snarl, including the lips up front.4. Ears are flickering back.The only thing I can think of that matches this look is a really sad puppy. Now, a terrified dog might fit it... but not really. Said terrified dog would still be still and not slow moving, and it's eyes would be wide open. The animation is very much slow, whimpering, and so on.Look at the eyes. Those don't say 'I'm scared, and I'm about to bite your head off.' No. They say 'I'm scared, pwease hold me?'
11-17-2010 @ 6:34AM
Two things: a) you see your character from behind during that cutscene, not the front, so the facial expression, which I admit looks goofy, isn't exactly smacking you in the face[I don't know if you've done the starting zone yet, if you haven't and you don't want to be spoiled I suggest you don't read the next bit.]b) in my mind at least, she looks absolutely terrified because she's been dragged from the cell she was locked up in and strapped into a torture device with a load of other worgen and now Lord Godfrey, who's made it pretty clear he'd like nothing more than to chop her up and feed her to his dogs, is striding menacingly towards her. How frightened would you be?
11-17-2010 @ 11:32AM
.../looks at male modelThen why the hell is the male struggling? /raises eyebrowAs I said, it disturbs me what that says about to the character I am playing. Soo... the males are BA and struggle like crazy, but the females look around pouting like a puppy?I'm just saying.. it sounds bad.
11-17-2010 @ 12:37PM
I see your point in that case; you don't want to play a character who would be scared in that situation, you want to play one who would be angry. I get that. For me though, a character who is scared is more interesting because it highlights the internal struggle between human and wolf which that quest is meant to portray. They've locked you up rather than beheading you, despite the fact that you've hunted and slaughtered countless Gilneans like cattle, because they think you're still human somewhere inside. A fearful reaction to someone who has shown hostility and is in a superior position to you just emphasises that fact for me.
11-17-2010 @ 12:41PM
They do look crappy, though. I just don't think it's because Blizzard has decided that all female worgen are weak and pathetic.
11-17-2010 @ 2:34PM
Hi Scorcha - I'm totally enjoying your spin on this. It my be that I'm overly-sensitive to these things but it bugs me that the fearful vs. angry emotions come down to male and female stereo-types here. It just bugs me. It won't stop me from rolling a worgen gal. Playing a male toon is more jarring than anything they do to the ladies. Still... why are the girls whimpering and the guys are fighting. Honestly, fear and anger are actually very close emotions. I know that they have to set actions by models but... at what point in the dev. process did they think. Oh yeah, and here, we'll make the girls cower? It's just weird. :D Anyhoo, interesting conversation either way.
11-18-2010 @ 3:01AM
@ScorchaPretty much what Drejya said. It isn't the fear that bothers me: It's that it is freakin' split by gender. So, guys get to act fierce while girls whimper? REALLY? /twitchSorry, just... urgh. It bothers me. Especially when we are dealing with a cursed monster at this point.
11-18-2010 @ 2:24PM
....Feminism QQ?I don't see why it's such a big deal for the females to look afraid and dainty? 90% of girls I know would be pretty scared if they were locked up in a dungeon so I don't see how it's out of line or OMGSOTTLYWRONGZ for a female to look afraid.So, the man looks like he's going to kick ass. And? I would expect that from a dude who would rather flail about like a moron like it'll do him any good.
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