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11-20-2010 @ 8:35AM
If I'm away, my guild can get another tank to fill in. I'm a guildmember, not an employee.
11-20-2010 @ 8:40AM
Sounds pretty judgmental. The point of this is you tell someone you're going to be somewhere or do something, and then don't. You let someone or some group of people down, does it matter whether it was an online activity or not?
11-20-2010 @ 8:49AM
Um... or it sounds like the attitude of a responsible adult? If real life presents an issue where you can't log in to play a game... it's real life. It takes priority. Granted, I'm a proponent of letting your guild know you won't be there, as I DO recognize that it would be rude to just no-show without notice.But seriously, anyone who can't prioritize their real, everyday life over in-game commitments should probably take some time off to get perspective.
11-20-2010 @ 8:55AM
There is a difference between being away and just not showing up. I can understand RL coming before a game, but the nature of raiding in this game requires 10 or 25 people to all log in ready to play for at least a couple hours at a specific time. There is a certain amount of required commitment to make that work.If someone simply fails to show up cause they decide to go to a movie or hang out with friends or what not and not raid is totally their choice, but they have no grounds to get angry when they finally do log in the following week to find themselves without a raid spot.
11-20-2010 @ 9:24AM
For once, I'm not annoyed to see Josin commenting.Real life > WoW at all times.Which is why I'm in a guild comprised mostly of responsible adults. If we have to pug people for a raid, we pug people. If we put off a raid, we put it off.My social life, my work life, my family life and my education all come before a game. If I'm hanging out with friends, or home for the holidays, I'm not bringing a computer to play on. If I'm on vacation, I'm not logging on.
11-20-2010 @ 9:29AM
"For once, I'm not annoyed to see Josin commenting.":( Was this before the "Week of Sacco" or because of it? I like to think that most of the time, I'm pretty helpful on here, and usually have something reasonable to contribute.
11-20-2010 @ 9:45AM
I agree with you broadly. The only proviso I would make is I MUST tell my guild that I'll be away. Just not showing up is incredibly annoying. We had a tank that would do that in a 25m guild I was in once - though he didn't do it a lot before we kicked him out. It really pissed me off because our guild times were tight for me in terms of getting back from work - I had to basically race back home through the rush hour to get back in time (my guild wasn't in quite the same timezone as me so raids were quite early in the evening). I would sometimes decline attending social events like parties because I would want to raid and, as a healer, I would feel bad that I would be stopping other people from raiding. He showed no such consideration.That's a personal choice on my part, choosing one social activity over another. However, it would piss me off no end to have done that - or to have rushed home and made it by the skin of my teeth - and find that one or two people had just decided not to show up because they went off and got drunk / went to see a movie / watched TV instead was deeply frustrating. We had a guild website with a forum to let people know about non-attendance and I would check it before I would leave work to make sure we were still on and I would post if I wasn't going to make it...but the people who wouldn't even bother with that just showed no respect to the lives and compromises that the other 24 people might have made to be at raid.RL is, of course, > Game....but that doesn't mean you should just totally blow off the commitment you made to the other people in your guild when you decided to join a raiding guild. It's a game, yes - but a game with real people on the other end of it.
11-20-2010 @ 9:50AM
I think there's a lot of shades of grey.It's not RL > WoW all the time anytime anywhere.Is it a RL commitment you knew about ahead of time, have been planning to go to, and have either not signed up to raid during, or if you are in a guld that expects attendance, have clearly communicated to them that you will not be raiding during? Ok, then more power to you.Is it a sudden RL commitment that is important enough (in your opinion) to justify you skipping the raid that you previously indicated you would attend? Then, if possible, inform your guild that you will be unable to make it. If you are unable to inform them, apologize when you next are able to contact them for missing the raid, and try to work out channels of communication so you can avoid a recurrence of that event.However, if a sudden unimportant RL opportunity comes up, it depends on the culture of your guild. Do other guild members take attendance seriously and try to make an effort to show up so as not to inconvenience you? Well then it's pretty shady of you to ditch them to go sit around and smoke weed with your buddies. It might be "real life" but is it really a moral imperative that you make 24 other people waste their time because RL > WoW?There are guilds, however, with a much more casual attendance policy. People routinely don't show (or show late) all the time. If you belong to one such guild, then more power to you. Feel free to skip whenever you please, for whatever reason.
11-20-2010 @ 9:52AM
Mostly due to the Sacco week.Sometimes you feel a little condescending in your posts (which manage to turn up at least once on each of the first 3 pages of comments of any article I read).Maybe it's comment envy and a combination of my shitty attitude as of late. Lo siento for the hurtful words.
11-20-2010 @ 9:57AM
No worries Josin. For what its worth, you don't annoy me. There is only one person who annoys me, mostly because they seem to have a overwhelmingly pessimistic and condescending air to their posts. Oh. And the whole "Cutaia is my ARCHNEMESIS" guy thing that happened last night. He annoys me too.
11-20-2010 @ 10:12AM
@BubblePriestI agree. RL plans or emergencies are a different matter than things that you decide you'd rather do on a whim. There's a big difference between "My mother-in-law paid a surprise visit" and "I think I'm going to go see Tron instead." @NoselacriEh, I can understand the annoyance at the Sacco Week. It was meant to be a bit obnoxious, but humorous. And yeah, I generally just check in on the site at the top of every hour, so it affords me an easy post on the first few pages.@itsthebrentCutaia's great... I'm always glad to get an email that says "(cutaia) replied to your comment on WoW Insider!" That said, I'm jealous of the recognition he gets... I'd love to get asked to be on the podcast. (Who knows what, if anything, I'd contribute though... I'm good at writing... terrible at speaking.)
11-20-2010 @ 10:54AM
Just gonna throw this out there, but WoW = RL for the most part. Those are real people on the other end, so why should our commitments to them be any less important than those to people with know face-to-face? When it comes to priorities, I'm not going to any sooner let my son go hungry or let my wife lie at the bottom of the stairs with a broken leg because of plans with IRL friends than online friends. Priorities--real priorities--trump everything.
11-20-2010 @ 11:36AM
For me, it very much depends on what real life thing we are talking about.I have called a rain check on two raids before. One was when my brother came to visit from Alaska, another was when my little 17 year old sister got back from back surgery, so we spent the whole day having a girl's day in.I have turned down invites when my friends have asked me to go to the movies, suggesting another time instead, and have said 'oh I'm sorry, I can't go, I already have plans' to a couple different party/dinner invitations. Ok, so I am a bit relieved I have a excuse to turn those down, since usually those parties consist of idle chit-chat about boys and such by college girls trying to act like business adults. I would much rather be cussing out the Blood Council and typing smiley faces then go to those things.
11-20-2010 @ 11:42AM
Lazy,That's a very interesting point. If something is worth forgoing your planned WoW time for, it's likely worth skipping a planned Scrabble night with friends, too...right? I have a friend who for many years has been unable to do anything with me on Sunday nights because he plays Magic: The Gathering with a circle of friends. Surely this hobby of his isn't much different than having a planned raid night, but the perception is probably a bit different just because of the lack of distance between him and these particular people. But, of course, I would expect him to ditch them in an instant if there were an "IRL" problem or important event going on."I'm jealous of the recognition he gets... I'd love to get asked to be on the podcast. "Wait, what? Was that just an odd segue or something that actually happened?
11-20-2010 @ 12:09PM
Agree with Lazy. I see the social aspect of WoW on equal footing with "doing stuff with friends". If I find myself in a guild where the majority of folks I couldn't call friends or even aquaintances, I don't think I'd last long there. The social aspect is important and if it's just check in to raid and nothing more, then it does feel like a second job. To me, having fun or cool people to hang with enriches the experience and if that isn't there, there's really no reason at all to be in a guild.
11-20-2010 @ 12:25PM
Everything you do is real life, including sitting at a computer and playing WoW. I understand that other parts of your life - family commitments, emergencies, etc - are more important than your game playing time, but I think too many people skip out on commitments they make to guild-members because their "real life" of going to get hammered sounds more fun than raiding, and that's kind of weak.
11-20-2010 @ 2:42PM
@CutaiaWeren't you a guest on the podcast once? I could've sworn you were...
11-20-2010 @ 2:53PM
Nope...but if whomever you're talking about did a good job, feel free to keep thinking it was me. ;)
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