Scattered Shots: Pets for leveling from 80 to 85

On Thursday, we talked about the optimum hunter spec for leveling 80 to 85 in Cataclysm. But no discussion of hunter optimization is entirely complete without also talking about those beloved boon companions that join us in leaving a swath of death and destruction in our wakes.
As always, hunters got the soloing and leveling gig easy. It is not hard for us to level, and it doesn't require crazy optimization. You can absolutely use whatever pet you want to to level. If you love your pink tallstrider with all your heart and can't bear to be parted from him, then that's fine. It won't hurt you that much. Though, in the words of BRK, "I would do anything for love, but I won't sporebat ... no, I won't sporebat."
Join me after the cut as we look at leveling pets, pet specs for leveling, and what kind of pet roster you want to have on hand for those 5-mans.
Leveling pets
When you begin leveling up from 80, your pet probably won't even have time to reach most of the mobs before they die. You'll be unleashing a hail of lead that will kill any quest mobs in only a couple of shots. At best, your pet can hope to get a single bite in before the mob goes down.
With enemies going down that quickly, your best bet is likely going to be a cat pet for the Roar of Courage agility buff. (This is also provided by the Spirit Beast, though if you're leveling as BM, stuff won't die quite so fast -- you'll have to wait for your pet to reach the target for much of your DPS to take effect and spend too much time regenning focus.)
However, the mobs in Cataclysm scale in difficulty very fast, and by the time you're fighting level 84 and 85 mobs, they'll be very tough indeed -- especially since your crit, haste, and mastery percentages will be so much lower by then due to combat rating scaling.
At that point, not only will your pet need to do some tanking, but the mobs will be dishing out a surprising amount of damage. You'll very likely want to have a tenacity pet on hand specced with defensive talents to handle your tanking. There's no longer much difference in pet toughness between specs, which means your MM or SV tenacity pet will be able to take damage just as well as a BM pet could.
My recommendation is to level at least two pets with you as your hunter levels. Keep a ferocity pet with a buff (not debuff) that you particularly like with DPS talents, and a tenacity pet with defensive talents. Pets level incredibly quickly these days, and it should be no problem keeping two (or three, or four) pets at max level with you.
I prefer the bear for my tenacity pet because of the Demoralizing Roar ability to further reduce the damage taken. The ability likely won't be available for every mob, but you should get benefit from it on every other pull. Note that the worm is not a bad tank pet for BM hunters, but you cannot use its Burrow Attack ability while tanking. In beta (unlike live), the worm is no longer on the aggro table as soon as it burrows; thus, anything that it was tanking will immediately run to you. As long as you don't have the worm burrow when it's supposed to be tanking, it'll do about as well as any other tenacity pet.
Pet talent specs
Choosing talents for your leveling pets is a pretty straightforward proposition. For our ferocity pet, you want to start off at level 80 with this build:

Once you hit level 84 and get your new pet talent, you probably want to put it into a rank of Shark Attack. For a tenacity pet designed to tank those hard-hitting, higher-level mobs, you want to go with this build:

It's worth noting that the armor talents and the crit immunity are the bit mitigation talents. Great Resistance is not remotely worth it; the vast majority of the damage you pet will be taking is going to be physical damage.
5-man pet roster
If you plan on doing a lot of 5-man for your leveling, you'll want to be sure you have a good roster of 5-man pets. While you need a good dozen pets to cover every raid buff, there are far fewer that really matter for 5-mans. The reason for this is that most of our pet abilities function as debuffs.
The debuffs provided by pets typically have a long duration coupled with a long cooldown. In a boss fight, they can keep that debuff on the target indefinitely, but in 5-mans, your targets are rarely going to be alive that long. So your pet will apply the debuff to the first target, which then dies 8 seconds later, and you switch targets -- but it's going to be another 20 seconds before your pets debuff is available again.
So for most 5-man situations, you'll want to use pets that provide buffs to the group, rather than debuffs to specific targets. This shortens your list considerably, especially if you're not running as BM.
- Cat/Spirit Beast strength/agility buff
- Wolf/Devilsaur 5% crit buff
- Silithid health buff
- Corehound burst haste buff
- Shale Spider 5% stats buff (not available until higher levels)
It's probably also worth noting, while on the topic of pet debuffs, that the 8 percent increased spell damage taken provided by dragonhawks and wind serpents does indeed increase the damage done by our magical shots.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
RS Nov 22nd 2010 1:17PM
I have to say that on my realm it's nice to see BM hunters again. Spirit beast, Devilsaurs abound. It's not a freaking wolf everywhere.
But I think I will pick up a bear. I had one in the early days of my hunter, I miss seeing that big bear butt running to tank. Maybe that's why I like Druid tanks....dunno
Now if I could just get Skoll to show up....
v3nu5_77 Nov 22nd 2010 6:12PM
You like big butts and you don't know why?
I'm taking my Wind serpent out of stable. Lighting Beeyotches!
Rob Nov 22nd 2010 6:19PM
My WInd serpent's name? Trouser snake.
martin Nov 22nd 2010 6:52PM
@RS I think you mean Arcturis, Skoll is a wolf (spirit beast) and Arcturis is a bear (also spirit beast)
I just soloed half of Kara with a worm for the trash pulls and Arcturis at some of the bosses. It's nice to have a roar of courage and a heal button for 'stayin' alive' :)
In Cata I think I'll use one of my spirit beasts for single target work and a turtle for the bigger pack pulls.
Necromann Nov 22nd 2010 7:38PM
My bear is an undead one from the plaguelands.
Elwoods Nov 23rd 2010 8:20AM
I am still using my Ghost Wolf - at least I will until ever other BM hunter has one :(
(I will still be able to use him as MM or Surv though)
Skarn Nov 22nd 2010 3:40PM
Scattered Shots isn't up on the front page yet, but I'm posting anyway, wheee!
Skarn Nov 22nd 2010 7:12PM
Huh. That's entertaining! :D
Adam Nov 22nd 2010 6:14PM
I am going to attempt to level all my pets as I go. Every time I am near a stable master I will swap out any max level pets for other ones because they level up so quick, but I will do it so I'm hopefully never rolling with a pet thats more than 1 level below me.
Doing this rotation for 10 or so pets may be more realistic, I will have to see how things go. But I kind of want to avoid having to grind out like 30 or 40 pet levels when I hit 85 so I can have buffs covered etc. Something tells me leveling won't be as easy as it is now where you can one-shot equal level mobs and level a new pet from 77-80 in about 15 minutes.
Noyou Nov 22nd 2010 7:36PM
Good plan. I noticed now when you tame a pet it only starts 3 lvls down. I don't know if that is temporary or if that is the way it will be going fwd. If that's the case it's not as grindy. And like you said they should lvl fast.
Secondly I would like to say thanks for putting up the graphic and dedicating time to speaking about pet talents. Some of them seem more obvious to take but still it's good to get other opinions on them. The one question I have always had is since ferocity is thought of for more DPS pets why do they have "lick your wounds" and "Hear of the phoenix" which come in handy for PvP and leveling?
Skarn Nov 22nd 2010 8:00PM
Yeah, the question is "how fast will pets level"? Currently, if you pick up a pet and go run it through a Heroic instance, the level 77 pet will be getting some good xp from the 80-82 mobs. In Cataclysm, our pets are mostly going to be even-con or one level below the mobs you are fighting, so they won't be getting as much of a boost from "higher level" mobs.
Second, if you are power-leveling a pet now, it's just by killing things. As you level yourself, you will be getting a bunch of experience from quests, which doesn't transfer to your pet. (Far as I know.) Also, for that first level your pets will be getting NOTHING. Since they only gain xp if they are lower than you, while you level from 80-81 your level 80 pets will get no xp. The actual pet-leveling won't start until 81.
It used to take pets about half your level to catch up. Meaning, once you got to 81.5 your pet would finally hit 81. Thus the best you could do was 2 pets at a time. I think it's been sped up since then, but I don't know what the rate is in Cataclsym. So my completely unfounded guess is that you could get 4-6 pets leveled each of your own levels. Once you hit 81, you start leveling your pets and trade them out as each one "catches up." You'll probably manage to keep your 5 "active" pets up to speed with you (equal or one level below), but probably won't have much time to get any stabled pets up to speed.
Once you hit 85 you can get the rest caught up. You could tame a couple new pets and only level them to 79 so you can level them while you go from 80 to 81, but that wouldn't actually help anything. You'll still have to level them from 81 to 85. Instead, if you wait for 85 and then tame pets, they'll automatically jump to 82.
Fatbeard Nov 22nd 2010 6:16PM
There doesn't seem to be much love for boars as tenacity pets. Any reason for this? I
Shaurt Nov 22nd 2010 6:22PM
Boars do make decent tanking pets, but the special abilities of other tenacity pets are much more desirable for mitigating damage than the boar's gore ability.
But really, if you want to use a boar, then use a boar. It's more important to enjoy the game.
Skarn Nov 22nd 2010 6:24PM
There's just nothing special about them any more. Their only special ability increases bleed damage taken, which is not particularly exciting as a tank pet. Bears essentially reduce all physical damage they take by 10% by debuffing their enemies. Turtles and Beetles have a second tank cooldown, reducing all damage they take by 50%. Shale Spiders should have the most HP, if you are soloing. Heh, even the gorilla's interrupt is still more useful for a tank pet than the bleed damage increase.
Poor boars. :(
Artificial Nov 22nd 2010 6:24PM
"The only other short-duration pet debuff is the bleed debuff, and most mobs in 5-mans don't stay alive long enough to take much damage from Piercing Shots, the only hunter bleed effect."
Rob Nov 22nd 2010 6:18PM
Can you link to your thursday article? I missed it and trying to get there using the archive is challenging (well, and i am lazy).
I think the golden age of hunterdom has indeed arrived. One thing I suggest is to level what you can that will be useful in dungeons and raids. And when you get to cata dungeons, don't drag out your three-levels-behind pet, they really need the dps that your best pet provides. It's not like you have to start them from level 10 like we did. *shudder*
Skarn Nov 22nd 2010 6:57PM
Here's the link: http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/11/18/scattered-shots-leveling-your-hunter-from-80-to-85/
Easiest way to get to old Scattered Shots articles is to click the Scattered Shots link in the little italicized intro.
Eli Nov 22nd 2010 6:22PM
My raptor is named CleverGirl :3
Mayhew Nov 22nd 2010 6:54PM
A Jurassic Park reference! 0.o
Man, I don't see too many of those...
Pyromelter Nov 22nd 2010 7:16PM
My Water Elemental's name was DrFreeze.
C'mon blizz make water elemental naming happen again!