Know Your Lore: Garrosh Hellscream, part 1

Last week's Know Your Lore with Thrall left the former Warchief in Nagrand, seeking guidance not only in regards to the raging elements of Azeroth but his own life as well. The former Warchief knew he couldn't step down without leaving someone in charge, and so he had to pick a temporary successor. It was his choice, however, that baffled and angered many World of Warcraft players -- rather than picking someone well known like Saurfang, or perhaps giving Vol'jin a chance to shine, Thrall chose Garrosh Hellscream.
Garrosh's life has been anything but easy. First introduced in The Burning Crusade expansion, Garrosh was apparently -- let's face it -- a petulant crybaby who couldn't even muster the interest to lead the people of Garadar when the impending death of Greatmother Geyah approached. It was up to us as players to convince young Hellscream that life would be all right without the Greatmother, but he simply refused to listen. It wasn't until Thrall visited Nagrand that Hellscream finally stepped up, in a much larger capacity than anyone imagined.
But where did young Garrosh come from? What was his life before we encountered the sulky, unwilling leader of the uncorrupted orcs of Nagrand? What caused him to be so fearful of stepping up to lead? And more importantly, why exactly is he fit to lead the Horde, a much larger group of individuals than that tiny village, when he couldn't be bothered to step up in Garadar?

First, let's take a look at the settlement of Garadar and the Mag'har. Some time before the demonic corruption of the orcs, a virulent sickness known as the red pox broke out among the different orc clans. The red pox was a horrible disease that covered its victims with red pustules and caused those infected to cough up both blood and vile -- and it was spreading like a plague among the orcs of Draenor. An orc woman named Geyah, wife of the deceased chieftain of the Frostwolf clan, established a quarantine area -- a settlement for those sick with the red pox, where they could be treated and hopefully cured. She named the settlement after her husband, Garad; this was Garadar.
There were no Mag'har at this time, simply those that were incredibly ill and those that took care of them. The settlement included children of several chieftains who had come down with the pox, including a young boy named Garrosh Hellscream. Garrosh was sent to Garadar after coming down with the red pox, and it was in Garadar that he was raised, with no word regarding his father or his father's fate.
Garadar was given a wide berth by the rest of the Horde, who had no wish to contract the disease that its residents carried. And so, when the time came that the collected chieftains -- minus Durotan of the Frostwolf Clan -- drank the blood of Mannoroth and entered into a blood pact that would bind them to the pit lord and the Burning Legion, Garadar wasn't included. Why would it be, remote, far away, and riddled with sickness? The demonic corruption quickly spread to the rest of the Horde, but Garadar remained unaffected by the change.

Geyah, however, noted the change in the rest of orc society and viewed it with disgust. Years passed, and the small village went largely unnoticed until Kargath Bladefist traveled to it, in an attempt to recruit the able bodied for the war with the Alliance that had spilled through the Dark Portal after the Second War. Ner'zhul sought to open portals to other worlds, but he needed more soldiers to defend the Black Temple from the Alliance so that he could perform the rituals.
Kargath found no warriors. Instead, he found a village of orcs too sick to do more than fend for themselves, tended to by Geyah and a few others. Nagrand was curiously absent of the corruption that had ravaged the rest of the world -- the grass was still green, the mountains still teeming of life, and the orcs of Garadar were unchanged as well. Their skin remained brown, unaffected by the demonic taint that riddled Kargath and his troops and drove them to bloodlust. And Geyah informed him that there were no orcs capable of fighting in the tiny village -- nor would they want to.
Kargath was infuriated, but his fury soon changed to horror when Garrosh Hellscream approached the two. Hellscream sought word of his father, who he'd heard nothing from since he was delivered to Garadar years before. Garrosh had no idea if his father even lived. But Garrosh's sickness repulsed Kargath, who quickly realized that there was nobody in the village capable of raising an axe and lending a hand.She looked smug. "It is mag'har-uncorrupted. And so are its people. They may be sick with the red pox, even dying from it. But at least their pocked skin is brown, and they have not been fouled by the Horde's dark magics."
Riddled with pox and questionsKargath had recoiled when Garrosh started spitting up blood, and he continued to back away now. "No. They are no warriors." Disgust and despair added venom to his words. "They are not even orcs anymore -- they are useless." He glared at Geyah, at Garrosh, and at the other villagers behind them.
"You pathetic weaklings!" he snarled, raising his voice as best he could. "Do the Horde a favor and die here! If you can't help defend your people, you have no right to live!"
Garrosh heard all of this, and as he begged Geyah for news of his father, she had none to give him -- none that she was willing to give him. Not yet. But years later, Garrosh learned of his father's fate, that the mighty Grom Hellscream was the first to drink the demon's blood, that he led the way for the rest of orc society, paved a path of damnation for them all. Nagrand and the rest of Draenor shattered, but the tiny outpost remained free of demonic taint, its people taking up the orcish word for uncorrupted -- Mag'har -- as a reminder of the fate they escaped.

Is it any wonder, then, that Garrosh Hellscream lived his life in shame? He was surrounded by those who openly reviled the actions his father had taken, and then later expected to lead those people. How could Garrosh expect to lead the uncorrupted, the Mag'har, to greatness, when his father had done the exact opposite? Garrosh was worried that he would be an unfit leader, that he would follow the same path his father followed. He wasn't thinking about Grom's actions in Azeroth, the slaughter of Cenarius, any of that -- he was thinking of that moment when Grom, given the choice to enter into demonic servitude, gladly said, "I will." What kind of legacy is that for a son to live up to?
Not only was he frightened of the potential disastrous results of his leadership -- those that he led were Mag'har. Uncorrupted. They took pride in being what his father was not. How could he step up to lead and expect any of them to follow, given his family's past, his father's past? This is the Garrosh that players meet upon coming to Outland: defeated, utterly broken in regards to his father's fate, convinced that he will somehow inadvertently lead them down the same path as his father. Greatmother Geyah is dying; he will be expected to lead when she passes away. But as far as Garrosh is concerned, when Geyah dies, so do the Mag'har.

And so players are asked by Greatmother Geyah to help the Mag'har and show Garrosh that Garadar, Nagrand, and the Mag'har people will be able to continue on just fine without her. She essentially asks players to cheer him up -- but each new action performed by players does nothing more than drive him further and further into depression. And why shouldn't it? If he, Garrosh Hellscream, is incapable of leading the Mag'har people, yet some small upstart from another planet shows up and is able to work miracles -- well then, there is his proof that he's not competent to lead, isn't it?
A saving graceYou are an honorable <race>, <name>. You have done much for the Mag'har. No one could ever deny your service to my people. Alas, the time of the Mag'har is at an end. You have shown me, more than anything, that I am unfit to lead these people. My cursed blood runs too deep. I will not... I cannot become the second Hellscream to damn the orcs.
Please, <name>, return to the Greatmother and tell her what I have told you. I am too ashamed to see her... to look into her eyes.
Enter salvation in the form of one green-skinned orc who not only led his people from imprisonment, but also had a close personal relationship with Garrosh's father. Thrall came to Nagrand, and after a short conversation with Greatmother Geyah, he learned of Garrosh's depression, of his broken spirit. And Thrall showed Garrosh exactly what his father's last actions were: the actions of a hero. Though no longer accessible in game, Thrall's presence sets off a cutscene in which the events of Warcraft 3 play out -- Grom and Thrall, facing off against Mannoroth, Grom's death ... and Mannoroth's death.
Grom may have been the first to drink, but he killed Mannoroth and freed the orcs from their demonic servitude. Garrosh finally woke up and realized that his bloodline wasn't cursed. His father may have led the orcs down a broken path, but he freed them from that path and paid the price of his life in return for it. Garrosh's father was not despised on Azeroth; he was a hero. And Garrosh went from a depressed young orc, thinking his bloodline was cursed to destruction, to suddenly having to live up to a hero's reputation.
Under Thrall's wing
But Thrall didn't leave Garrosh to lead the Mag'har. Instead, he brought Hellscream to Azeroth -- to show him the world his father liberated and perhaps to take the younger Hellscream under his wing, to guide him in the ways of leadership. After all, Grom was like a brother to Thrall. And after all that Grom had done to help Thrall after he escaped Durnholde Keep, it was only right that Thrall do the same for Grom's son.
The problem, of course, was Thrall himself. Grom let Thrall prove himself over the course of their first meeting, but Garrosh had no way of knowing that the Warchief of Azeroth's Horde was so ... different in thinking than Draenor's orcs. And perhaps Thrall thought he was doing young Hellscream a favor by bringing him to Azeroth -- but what Thrall did was essentially take a wild wolf from the forests into the suburbs and expect it to act just like any domesticated animal.

It was an assumption that would cost the Warchief.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 5)
Groth Dec 5th 2010 7:10AM
@NielsdeJONG, Azshara doesn't really have much in the way of easy lumber. There is a Goblin operation there cutting trees, but nowhere near the scale needed.
Varian and Garrosh are both warmongers. Arguing that your faction leader is the honorable, misunderstood one is something both sides have been doing for a long time, and is more pointless than ever.
Battlegrounds rather need participation from both sides- otherwise they aren't battlegrounds, they're slaughters. Both Horde and Alliance have invaded areas with Cataclysm.
As a Horde player, the Alliance actions in Southern Barrens appalled me. Camp Taurajo had always been a favourite, and is now where I look for world PVP.
Undra Dec 4th 2010 7:42PM
Clearly Thrall's mistake was taking Garrosh to Azeroth instead of one of Kilrogg Deadeye's kids. But I guess the remaining Mag'har in Nagrand are in good hands with them.
Jayjay Dec 4th 2010 7:58PM
I too hated Garrosh once he became Warchief - Thrall was someone special to the Horde and Garrosh was some upstart teenager with a 'tude. But...I not long ago finished some quests in Stonetalon Mts - and you get to see a whole new side to Garrosh - one to be admired (actually the final chain of quests in Stonetalon brought a tear to my cynical eye I have to admit). There is a side to the new Warchief we are just beginning to see, and I for one, (a previous hater), am interested to see where it leads.
Boobah Dec 5th 2010 5:10AM
It's worth pointing out that you see none of this Alliance side; all you know is you spend the whole of Stonetalon trying again and again to stop the Horde plan.
Pyromelter Dec 4th 2010 7:58PM
Bah, I should have kept all this in one post, sorry for splitting, but I just wanted to respond to one more thing:
"It was an assumption that would cost the Warchief. "
This makes no sense to me. Yes, Garrosh is a bumbling impulsive hothead. He did lead the effort to save the taunka, and one can argue that it is Garrosh's forces that ultimately tore down the Lich King (this relates to my question about the Lich King's belt). At the very least, it was his forces that spearheaded the military advances up to and into icecrown citadel.
Now, after the Lich King is dead, the world has some crazy spit going on. Thrall failed both the alliance and the horde with his failure to recognize Putress as a threat, and the temporary loss of undercity. Think that would have happened with Hellscream as warchief? As much as I love thrall, I trust Hellscream to do what's right in regards to the Forsaken. I just don't think Thrall would ever decapitate Sylvanas, but I see no such limitation in Garrosh.
The people who really lose when Garrosh becomes warchief are Vol'jin and the Darkspear, and Cairne. Nothing Garrosh does ever really negatively affects Thrall, and in Garrosh, Thrall is able to pass the mantle of Warchief to someone who is at least willing to lead the Horde.
So to bring it back to the quote that I copied and pasted, I assert that Garrosh never "cost" Thrall anything. One can argue that Garrosh has done costly things to other people under the Horde banner, but not to Thrall himself. And to that, I wonder what you're going to write in Part 2 to counter my assertion. Should be another awesome article, keep it up shade :).
xoxotl Dec 4th 2010 8:52PM
@Pyromelter
Nowhere in lore do I see where it actually says which faction, Horde or Alliance, defeated the Lich King. If you play as Horde, you get the Horde-defeated-Arthas cutscene, but if you play as Alliance you get the other version. I think, officially, it wasn't the Horde or the Alliance, but a multi-faction group based out of the Argent Dawn / Ashen Verdict.
I'm not downplaying Garrosh's contributions to the defeat of the Scourge, but I don't think it's correct to assume that it was the Horde who did the majority of the heavy lifting. It's probably safe to say that it was pretty much equally split between the Horde, Alliance, and Argent Dawn / Ashen Verdict.
Dinte Dec 4th 2010 9:00PM
Thrall cares about the Horde. It is his family. Anything lost by the Horde is, in his perspective, a personal loss as well.
Pyromelter Dec 5th 2010 4:42AM
But Thrall's lack of leadership got them into a huge pickle to begin with.
xoxo-
I have my own opinions based on in-game evidence. The "official" lore of course is "Tirion Fordring and a group of heroes."
I do know it can't be a multi-faction group. This isn't the humans, night elves, and orcs working together to prevent Archimonde from gaining control of the World Tree.
From in-game clues, I believe that it was the Alliance who defeated Yogg-Saron and Algalon, and the Horde who defeated The Lich King.
Note I said "one could argue" that he tore down the lich king, not that that's how it is because I said so.
Brevalaer Dec 5th 2010 5:40AM
"I just don't think Thrall would ever decapitate Sylvanas, but I see no such limitation in Garrosh"?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Zelius Dec 5th 2010 11:39AM
I'm curious about the in-game clues you're talking about. Can you elaborate?
Evelinda Dec 5th 2010 9:40PM
"Nothing Garrosh does ever really negatively affects Thrall"
Well... except for killing his old friend and advisor, Cairne, anyway.
Bizzul Dec 4th 2010 8:01PM
While I'm in no way a huge fan of Garrosh, I feel like sometimes he's painted in a really bad light. Every decision that led to making Garrosh Warchief was labeled as a mistake in the Know your lore: Go'el article. I don't see that as the case, in Cataclysm the Alliance seems to be pushing to the Horde's doorstep in a few zones, in Southern Barrens they've all but blocked the Tauren inside Mulgore, going as far as to slaughter nearly everyone in camp Taurajo. With an overzealous leader like Varian who basically said during the battle for Undercity that he plans to wipe the Horde from the face of Azeroth, I believe Thrall would not be a fitting leader to guide the Horde through this crucial moment in their existence on Azeroth. The sort of leader the Horde NEEDS right now is someone who will think of nothing but the betterment of his people, not about how to play nice with those who clearly have no intention of returning that same sentiment. I believe Thrall chose Garrosh for a good reason, his tactics are aggressive, but one thing he doesn't come short on is honor. He showed it clearly during the end of the Stonetalon Mountains quest chain (my personal favorite zone in this game as of the shattering) as well in the recently released Blizzard short story.
Anteia Dec 4th 2010 10:51PM
Re: Camp Taurajo
I HIGHLY recommend looking up General Hawthorne on the forums. There's major debate about the incident there because the Horde and the Alliance get very different versions of the story. The difference is the alliance gets it straight from the horse's mouth: Hawthorne's. He tells us that he realized the camp was a "Soft target" and that they DID wait until the hunters were out of the city, but he PURPOSELY left a hole in the attack (he is not aware, even at that point, that this lead to other enemies of the Tauren, something the horde views him as sadistic for and he truly does not even KNOW) for civilians to escape. It's stressed in Kalimdor several times that only a select few Alliance can understand Orcish, there was no way for the General to communicate that those who left would not be harmed and no way for the Taurens to politely point out that going through that hole in the lines would be a death trap further on. So Hawthorne made a mistake there, but out of all the Alliance characters so far in Kalimdor, he ranks as one of the actual noblest. Which is, of course, why he has to be painted as one of the most brutal on the Horde's side and assassinated. Hawthorne is doing everything hoping one day for peace, even making you go over and arrest looters because he says that will only upset a the Taurens more, to see their land and peope looted and direspected. Gaines, next to him, indicates he thinks the general is weak and the only recourse is to completely annihilate the Horde in the area. Gaines also is aware that the Horde has taken out a bounty on Hawthorne's head and does not warn him. There has been quite a bit of indication that Gaines is the reason the Horde even know how to find Hawthorne. Gaines, ironically, does understand Orcish, giving even more credence to him being a traitor.
The reaction to the others at hearing Hawthorne has been killed? That all Horde need to die because that's how they react to a man who showed mercy and that they are dogs and animals and nothing better. The one who eventually wanted peace between the Horde and Alliance lies dead... and those who want complete genocide now have almost unchallenged control of the Alliance forces... and an unwilling martyr to their cause to support it. Do I blame the Horde for how THEY saw the attack? No. But it's certainly a bitter situation when one knows the other side of it. It is the cycle of hate that keeps war going.
Revrant Dec 5th 2010 12:58AM
You paint an interesting view, Anteia, but the fact remains they slaughtered most of the Tauren at Taurajo, and he did not wait until they escaped, he ordered his men to leave a hole, it is not said that they obeyed the order.
Two of the spirits you put to rest were taken completely off-guard, with the tailoring Tauren screaming for the others to get the children and run as the attack commences(it is not indicated if they killed the children or not), she, weaponless, is murdered trembling, sobbing, and likely begging for her life. Hawthorne does not have a "noble" view, he has a very calculating view, he allowed Stockade prisoners into his ranks, and as intelligent as he is he cannot have thought they would not ruthlessly butcher people.
Stopping the looters is an afterthought, it really never should have come to that, and honestly he burns the issue further by assaulting the survivors who fled to the gate, and then attacking the gate itself. His view is that war is necessary for peace, and thus soft targets must be removed from the equation, it is mental warfare, and very effective.
Hawthorne is an interesting character, but make no mistake, he would again order another brutal massacre like Taurajo, and it is not his character that the Horde deems dangerous, as if they had such political motivations, it is his abilities. He spearheaded a massive advance directly into the heart of Horde territory, succeeded, and enacted multiple attacks on soft targets in areas with civilians, shattering the morale and resolve of the enemy as Tauren soldiers come across the innocent dead, he is a brutally efficient tactician that understands how to defeat this enemy.
He failed to understand the enemy at large, however, while such attacks did indeed break the Tauren of the area, leaving most of them sobbing alone in a jungle, shocked and unable to function or cope, their allies were not broken. Seeing the Tauren, likely the second strongest race of the Horde, broken emotionally and mentally from the slaughter of their people in the Barrens, spurred their allies the Orcs and Trolls to tremendous action on their behalf, fighting bitterly to the death to avenge them.
Hawthorne did not foresee this, and his forces were pushed back as a result, had the defense laid completely on the Tauren his terrorist attacks on soft targets would have meant an Alliance-controlled Barrens with full access to the Horde's bread basket - Mulgore.
I really wish he could have lived to be more important, his views, as cold and direct as they are, are far more interesting than one note characters like his traitorous stooge, who is simply another bigoted, dim-witted human born of the Second War's views on the Horde.
Anteia Dec 5th 2010 3:17AM
@Revrant
Well, Hawthorne never QUITE indicates that it was 'his' decision to let the Stockade prisoners into his ranks. It might have well been something out of his hands- and he certainly indicates he does not like it. His exact words on it are, "Our policy of conscripting non-violent criminals from the Stormwind Stockades has come back to haunt us, Anteia. Some of my less-scrupulous soldiers broke ranks after our victory in Taurajo and are looting the remains of the city.
This is a breakdown in discipline. Worse, the desecration of their homes only spurs the enemy to fight harder when our ultimate goal should be peace." The word 'policy' to me indicates this was something higher than him, probably having to do with figuring half of the Alliance sent over to Kalimdor are going to get killed by Horde anyway so why send the actual admirable soldiers? Though do note, that these criminals are supposed to be the 'non-violent' ones. Perhaps ones in there for theft and the like as opposed to murder? Clearly not the part of the Stockades we ran through in Vanilla Wow, I'd hope.
We DO know that a hole WAS left in his attack. I believe one of the Horde side quests basically kinda indicate that some Horde think this was accidental and very lucky for them that it was there. Does that mean that the Taurens in the village were spared as much as Hawthorne wanted? No, probably they weren't. But there's nothing actually to indicate IG that the children were killed. There's actually indication that the tailoring trainer knows of a hole, despite where her body lies, because I (THINK) she tells them to go north and concentrate on saving the children. It's not easy to double check what all the NPCs say, so I'm having to go from memory here. I think the death of any children would have taken place AFTER they ran through the opening and unintentionally on Hawthorne's part, into Quillboar. We also know that Hawthorne is actually getting SCOLDED for being 'soft' on the enemy, so while I agree innocents likely died, I don't think it can be said they killed MOST of the Tauren there. Some yes, I mean, I believe there's four named ones we see dead, and a few others that don't get tags, as well as orc guards. But clearly since it got brought up by the Horde that they were 'ushered' into the Quillboar, which the Alliance didn't know about, at least some figured out there was A) actually a hole B)it was left deliberately...because you can't have ushered anyone into anything if the hole was accidental... and C) Some Taurens clearly did not die at Alliance hands because they survived running through that hole to die after. None of this lessens the tragedy of it all, but the hole was there.
I want to make it clear, I'm not saying Hawthorne made all the right calls. And yes, his views were calculating...you don't become a general without having a clue at strategy and figuring out how to win. But he also did his best to show mercy, something that is not indicated to be shown to the Night elves tortured by the newly inducted to the Horde Shatterspear trolls in Darkshore for example. Obviously, Garrosh did not approve of innocents dying in Stonetalon, as has been mentioned, but somehow, things slipped through and it happened. Really, Alliance spends that entire zone chasing that bomb and trying to stop it and swoops in to try to save the children in one quest. I am NOT saying Garrosh advocated the death of children, but how did he -not- hear from SOMEONE That there was a huge bomb that was likely to do an extraordinary amount of damage to the land? I thought he wanted the land in relatively one piece for materials?
In both cases innocents died, and in both cases, orders were given for land to be taken, and in both cases, horrible things happened. Also, ironically, in both cases, I honestly feel the wrong person is getting the blame. The Alliance fully feel that it was Hellscream's choice and DESIRE to drop the bomb on the grove. HE is the one they despise for it. In the Barrens, General Hawthorne is called the "Butcher" and he is the one despised. Neither side is willing to go "....maybe, somewhere along the lines...the wishes of the one who ordered the attacks weren't followed entirely." I don't think it takes being a Stockade prisoner to hold a vicious view of the Horde, so it may not have even been them who would have killed more innocents in the camp. The end result is still innocents died. But in the case with Hawthorne, he's assassinated and unlike Garrosh, we know Hawthorne's goal was for eventual peace...something that made him unpopular with people like Ambassador Gaines.
Could I respectfully request where it indicates Hawthorne killed survivors who reached the gate and so forth? I've been questing in so many areas and just finished Hawthorne's death Alliance side, that things ARE getting a bit jumbled. I had to look up a few things on wowhead just to write this post to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering the things Hawthorne asks. (I wish his full account of the incident was written down somewhere. I can't seem to find it.... I'll have to copy it on another character when I go through the zone if it's still not available anywhere just because it's interesting for these discussions.) So, the Alliance are given NO indication that anything happened after that night by General Hawthorne or his men, and the only thing I seem to remember was the Horde saying that he was sadistic for supposedly purposely sending Tauren into Quillboar. I have another Horde character I can take through the area, but it'd be easier if there was a quest link so I can look into the whole killing of survivors bit just for my own personal knowledge. :)
Revrant Dec 5th 2010 7:28PM
That is all entirely possible, I can't rule out that Hawthorne's decree simply wasn't followed to the letter, and it is also true that the other Alliance would undoubtedly commit genocide given the chance.
Much like Krom'gar, unfortunately I had not done the Alliance quests leading through Stonetalon, I am saving those for my Worgen, the death of Night Elven children is indeed terrible. I understand now why Garrosh was enraged to the point of putting his commander to death with his own two hands, it was beyond dishonorable.
The tailoring trainer was taken totally by surprise by the attack, and I do believe she was the first to warn everyone as they encircled the camp, and indeed many Tauren were lost to the Quillboar.This is also true, the chain of command, or rather the spirit of the commands, were not followed.
Gaines, I hope he doesn't grow out of the Barrens, one note characters bore me to the core of my being, seeing one defeat Arthas was enough for me.
There is no indication of that, but the Alliance did indeed pursue them to the gate, it is obvious that they continued to press the attack, if the survivors had time I doubt they would have been able to set up an entire catapult-filled offensive on the gate.
The Horde would have retaliated before that time.
Celeane Dec 4th 2010 8:09PM
I'm no Garrosh fan either, but I approve of his motto that implies that he is on top of things. Especially seeing how badly out of control the Forsaken are-I don't know that I would trust Thrall to handle them decisively-but I trust Garrosh to.
Henri Poincaré Dec 4th 2010 8:23PM
Let me see if I can summarize the article in one line: So, what you're saying is that Garrosh is motivated by daddy issues? Should've known...
Blayze Dec 4th 2010 8:40PM
Hellscream's nipples are upon you.
Murdertime Dec 4th 2010 11:50PM
And Thrall's Balls....
Wait.
No.