Know Your Lore: Garrosh Hellscream, part 2, page 2

What upset Garrosh was that Magatha's interference robbed him of what was meant to be an honorable battle. He made that very clear to Magatha in a note sent to her after she requested his aid in her coup of Thunder Bluff:
And after all was said and done, Garrosh apologized to Cairne's son for his place in the murder of Chieftain Bloodhoof. He set about trying to make things right. He built a new Orgrimmar, one considerably less flammable than the previous incarnation. He set aside areas for the tauren, the new goblin allies and yes, even the trolls -- perhaps as a silent apology to Vol'jin. Whether or not Vol'jin will accept that apology has yet to be decided, but Garrosh made an effort. He watches the Forsaken like a hawk, wary of any future acts of betrayal. And when those under his leadership act dishonorably, his punishment is swift.Unto Elder Crone Magatha of the Grimtotem,
Acting Warchief of the Horde, Garrosh Hellscream,
Sends his most sincere wishes for a slow and painful death.
It has come to my attention that you have deprived me of a rightful kill. Cairne Bloodhoof was a hero to the Horde and an honorable member of a usually honorable race. It is with disgust and anger that I discover you have caused me to bring about his death through accidental treachery.
Such tactics may work well for your renegade, honorless tribe and Alliance scum, but I despise them. It was my wish to fight Cairne fairly, and win or lose by my own skill or lack of it. Now I shall never know, and the cry of traitor will dog my steps until such time as I can sport your head on a pike and point to you as the real traitor.
So ... no. I will not be sending any truehearted orcs to fight alongside your treacherous, belly-crawling tribe. Your victory or your defeat is in the hands of your Earth Mother now. Either way, I look forward to hearing of your demise.
You are on your own, Magatha, as friendless and disliked as you have ever been. Perhaps more. Enjoy your loneliness.
A new outlook
What Garrosh got out of Northrend wasn't just the leadership role that he craved. He also listened, albeit stubbornly, to what Varok Saurfang had to say, which is perhaps why Thrall sent Saurfang along on the journey -- he knew Garrosh had never been in a war, nor did Hellscream have any experience on the fields of battle. But the Warchief knew that Saurfang had and that Saurfang would be able to guide Garrosh in a way that wasn't outwardly apparent. He knew that Saurfang, war hero and veteran of the Horde, had plenty to teach young Hellscream, whether Garrosh was immediately willing to listen or not.

The one thing that Garrosh lacked in his life was a father figure, someone to guide him through his life and show him how to make the tough decisions that a leader needs to make. It's an odd dilemma, given that Garrosh spent most of his childhood obsessed with his bloodline and his absent father. Perhaps in Northrend, Saurfang became a little like a father figure to Garrosh -- though Hellscream would never, ever admit it. But the lessons Varok taught Hellscream will be carried with him always.I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde at that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever ... "Honor," Krom'gar. "No matter how dire the battle... Never forsake it."
Garrosh Hellscream still has much to learn, but the results of his first few actions as Warchief -- the duel with Cairne, the bickering with Vol'jin -- taught him that allies should not be taken for granted. He learned that leadership isn't just about rallying the troops into a blood frenzy; it's about having a gentle hand with your allies and treating them honorably, the way a Warchief expects to be treated.

Garrosh Hellscream spent the majority of his life with the shadow of his father's failure looming over his head like a death sentence. In Wrath, he desperately tried to live up to the legacy of a father who was not a failure at all, but instead a hero to the orcs of Azeroth.I chose Garrosh because he has the strength to lead our people through these trying times. For all my supposed wisdom, there have been moments that I've barely been able to hold the Horde together. The Wrath Gate and Undercity displayed that clearly.
The Horde cries for a hero of old. An orc of true blood that will bow to no human and bear no betrayal. A warrior that will make our people proud again. Garrosh can be that hero. I did not make this decision lightly, Vol'jin.
I know our alliances will suffer for it. I know the Horde will be irreversibly changed. But I made this choice with confidence that Garrosh is exactly what the Horde needs. I'm trusting you and the other leaders to not let this divide our people. You are stronger than that.
In Cataclysm, perhaps Garrosh will finally learn that it isn't his father's legacy he has to worry about, but his own. He must consider whether he will be thought of as an honorable leader, how to best lead the Horde, and what he will leave behind after he steps down -- whether it be from Thrall's return, or his own demise.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
themark0fevil Dec 5th 2010 4:23PM
Hooray for someone that agrees on the Varian comparison. >.> Also, I'd still vote for Basic Campfire for Warchief.
Kaphik Dec 5th 2010 4:35PM
I love the idea that Garrosh Hellscream and Varian Wrynn are very much alike. Both factions needed to have a strong militaristic leader, especially with the coming Cataclysm. In the real world, yeah I can see all the people trying to come together for peace, blah blah blah. But in the World of Warcraft, it's a welcome change to see the factions practically engaging in all out warfare again.
Both leaders have undergone some very cool character development over the past couple of years. As a Horde player only from my first day of WoW years ago, I'm glad we have ourselves a Warchief like Garrosh. What was his big offense? Oh, yeah, he wanted to go and kill everything in sight and then take their stuff. Gee, that's kinda what the Horde used to do.
The quote with Garrosh talking about honor, let's just say you have to do the entire Stonetalon Mountains questline. A lot of people I play with who were of traireours persuasion, er, excuse me, who disliked Garrosh had a new bit of respect after doing that zone. For any hardcore Tauren or Orc player, Stonetalon is a must-do.
Kaphik Dec 5th 2010 4:36PM
Doh, I misspelled "traitorous".
Tomaj Dec 5th 2010 5:10PM
@Kaphik Well, I'm personally undecided on how I stand regarding Garrosh. However, most people dislike Garrosh also for his attitudes toward his allies (most notably, Varok, Sylvanas and Vol'jin), especially with his repeated insults toward them. Regarding Varian (as a somewhat segue), what I like about him is that he seems more to show that humans aren't all rainbows and sunshine, because they're not. Same with Moira for that matter. As for Saurfang, what I dislike is that many players don't have time, inclination or money to get the lore via comics or books, and it's not readily available in game, so there's a lot of "whiplash" effect regarding his attitudes in general, and it's a bit of a disappointment.
Depsite all that, I can at least make an opinion on Garrosh's outfit: it is undoubtedly the most garish orc outfit, ever.
Felix_NZ Dec 5th 2010 7:06PM
@Kaphik I don't know, it seems less of genuine character development, which requires gradual growth, particularly in response to the situations driven by character, as it is more of general character re-writes to suit the direction blizz want to take the story. Remember Grommash Hold and the quest where Saurfang saves your ass? we weren't _meant_ to like Garrosh at all, now we're meant to be 'oh he's not so bad after all'?
Artificial Dec 5th 2010 11:30PM
@Felix_NZ: Well, yes. If the character develops, that means they change. If they don't change, there's no development. So your attitude today *should* be different than it was at the start of Wrath. He wasn't terribly likable then. He's not exactly the most likable person now, but he is a few years older, more seasoned, much more experienced, and hopefully a little wiser. We weren't meant to like him then. Whether we like him now or not, well, that's up to you, but you are meant to see he's not precisely the same as he was years ago when he had literally no experience as a leader at all. He's changed. That was inevitable. If that changes your attitude or not, that's up to you.
Broken-toes Dec 5th 2010 11:43PM
The thing bout Garrosh is he's one of the things meant to push us into fighting the alliance, rollin on a PVP realm it's some thing I'm all for.
Though the way things have been, there isn't really anything that pushes alliance or horde into conflict, I know after playing through silverpine I really wanted to hurt alliance, the worgen no doubt feel the same- thats the way its meant to be.
on a side note I have noticed a wee bit of "no don't kill that gnome he's my friend" nonsense since all the transfer stuff- its annoying.
Anyhoo I really hope we get some full on PvP orientated stuff from this, I understand the varian background, I've done the background ball shite of garrosh's quests, bout 4 times now, it gets boring (Please o Please let us skip BC content- its really shit and crap and horrible please don't make me do it again ) Can we have some full on PvP gnome killin business now?
What I really want is those quests when you have to kill a difficult mob, and then a gnome shows up and either ganks you mid fight or helps. I want to see that quest reward you for killing the gnome as well as the quest. I spose the gnome should be rewarded.
I really want this horde v alliance thing to get it on- I think jaina's a emo, I don't care about peace or the burning legion, I've killed the LK ok! Alliance vs horde would be amazing if it was properly pushed in the game.
(smallprint :- I know full well what it is like to get one shotted by ?? players- I did the cata stuff with gnomes wantin they're lore master- its hard going, but I survived.)
Drahken Dec 5th 2010 11:44PM
I too, still cast my vote for Abasek Kampfire. Or maybe his running mate Half a Stack of Peacebloom.
Tomaj Dec 6th 2010 1:20AM
@Artificial It's not that his attitude changes, it's that, in-game, there's *no discernable justification for it.* It creates the "whiplash effect" I was mentioning above because in order to understand the attitude change, one MUST purchase the books or comics, and not everyone has the means. It's somewhat disappointing that, though the entire expansion (up to and including Icecrown Citadel itself, which would have been an *amazing* opportunity to change things up or at least lead into it), Garrosh has been a hothead (see: Ulduar trailer), but all of a sudden, 4.0 comes around, and he's not being a douche anymore.
NielsdeJONG Dec 6th 2010 2:22AM
Well he's still the one who orders the attacks on Alliance lands!
Sorry, but it's ridiculous to say that Varian and Garrosh are the same. Varian was the one who after ICC agreed to a peace treaty with the Horde, Garrosh is the one to attack the Alliance in cataclysm!
Agreed, he did show some honour by killing his own general, but he should have held a better leash on on his men, or better yet, NOT invade other people's lands.
And don't give me the camp taurajo incident, had Ashenvale not been invaded, they would never have to go through that place :/
Drahken Dec 6th 2010 5:00AM
@NielsdeJONG:
Now I must admit I haven't played the Alliance side of Wrath, but I was under the impression that Alliance/Horde relations, especially in Varian's eyes, deteriorated over the course of the expansion. We were already at peace since the end of the Third War, so he couldn't have signed a new one after the fall of the Lich King. The expansion started off with Varian returning to power after his MIA episode and not being comfortable with this uneasy truce between the factions. Then it ended with him declaring death to all of the "green-skinned aberrations", as he so tactfully put it, and actually ending the peace treaty. But this is just what my impression is from reading the lore on Wowpedia and these Know Your Lore articles.
Sorcha Dec 6th 2010 6:20AM
Reading Stormrage will give you a better grasp on the demons Varian is facing. His people start falling asleep and his IMMEDIATE response, knowing full well there is a Lich King and a Burning Legion and Old Gods and god knows what else out there in the world, is 'IT'S THE HORDE! KILL THEM!' That's not a rational reaction and he knows it which is why he sends his son away. He's quick to irrational anger, which is what makes him similar to Garrosh. Garrosh in turn is a thug.
Fryiuer Dec 5th 2010 4:27PM
Well written and well done. That Krom'gar passage especially has helped turn my opinion of Garrosh. As it was meant to.
Storm Eagle [Planeteer | Power of Phoenix Wrights Colloquial Catch Phrase - OBJECTION! and Captain Planets Second in Command] Dec 6th 2010 9:36AM
^This. The events that play out in Stonetalon showed me what kind of leader Garrosh can be.
Sintraedrien Dec 5th 2010 4:31PM
Sorry, Thrall. We love you for your wisdom, your courage, your ability to recognise your own faults, and to try to change them. But you missed your largest error of them all, when you appointed Garrosh to "irreversibly change the Horde." In the end, your legacy is him, and the new Horde, with all its divided, bickering bloodspattered and bloodcrazed battlelust, rests squarely on your shoulders.
I know you are trying to carry Azeroth on them too, (with a little help from Malfurion), but what good is it so save the world, only to destroy it?
Try to teach a Sindorei of arrogance, will you?
Sintra E'Drien of the Ebon Blade, né Sindorei (formerly of the Horde, now only an ally of convenience)
Sintraedrien Dec 5th 2010 4:33PM
Although I could stand to use a grammar check :)
Or an edit function.
Sintra E'Drien of the Ebon Blade, né Sindorei (formerly of the Horde, now only an ally of convenience)
Kaphik Dec 5th 2010 4:37PM
Kind of odd to see one of the Blood Elves try and play the peacemaker card. Didn't you guys join the Horde because the Alliance shunned you?
:)
Ilmyrn Dec 5th 2010 7:11PM
If I had to guess, I'd say that most Blood Elves (Not all, but most), view the Horde as an alliance of convenience. Right now they need the Horde's strength, and they need to have an ally, the Forsaken, nearby. Maybe tomorrow they'll be back int he Alliance, maybe they'll be solo. Who knows.
Like Britain, Quel'Thalas has neither friends nor enemies, only interests.
Ilmyrn Dec 5th 2010 7:13PM
If I had to guess, I'd say that most Blood Elves (Not all, but most), view the Horde as an alliance of convenience. Right now they need the Horde's strength, and they need to have an ally, the Forsaken, nearby. Maybe tomorrow they'll be back int he Alliance, maybe they'll be solo. Who knows.
Like Britain, Quel'Thalas has neither friends nor enemies, only interests.
Ichigo Dec 5th 2010 8:03PM
@ Ilmyrn
You are right that the Blood Elves joined the Horde and remain in the Horde at this time for convenience sake. Remember that the High Elves had only joined the Alliance because of the Troll Wars and joined the Horde after the Alliance left them to die (whether or not they could have helped was immaterial to the Elves) at the hands of the Scourge.
For them to play peace maker is an interesting twist for a race that didn't give a fig about most others before the Naaru helped them re-kindle The Sunwell.