Drama Mamas: Making a fresh start after an honest mistake
Drama Mamas Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are experienced gamers and real-life mamas -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of the checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your realm.
The Drama Mamas roundup post with followup from letters we've featured in previous Drama Mamas columns will run in just a few more weeks. So there's still time to send us an email at DramaMamas@wow.com if you would to share what's happened with your situation since we last heard from you.
Dear Drama Mamas,
I started playing the game about a month after The Burning Crusade was released. I was still a kid, and gave my toon a foolish name. I know my name gets some weird responses, and when I race change to a worgen in Cataclysm, I am going to change my name.
Anyway, I play on a RP server ... which only happened because my brother (who now does not play) randomly picked it when he started. I started playing after him and thus chose the same server. My server is fairly weak when it comes to progression guilds, with only one having defeated heroic Lich King-25 (and it was after 4.0.1). For the duration of my Wrath WoW career, I was in a mid-level progression guild for my server, which got to 11/12 in ICC Regular. I was fairly disappointed, because I really want to get an achievement mount. The guild leader gave up trying to lead, and this week he joined the #2 guild on the server. He said he still plans to lead the guild I am in on his alt, but I know that is not going to work out. You can't lead a progression guild on an alt, while competing for server firsts on your main.
Because of his leaving, I want to find a new raiding guild, and I want one that will be more "hardcore." Thus, I applied to the same guild my old GM did, as I usually beat him in DPS meters, and he got in -- so I thought I would too. The new guild agreed to give me a trial run. I thought it went well, as we had zero issues, and I held my DPS against the regulars who far out-geared me. The regular raiders actually complimented me on my adaptability for learning hard modes for the first time and that my DPS was great for the gear I was in.
The group was fun, and with all the hard modes they did, a lot of the gear was an upgrade for me. The recruitment officer said I was free to roll but that I would only get items if nobody else wanted them, and I agreed. Because of this, I ended up rolling on a lot of loot and was declined almost all of it. I thought this was perfectly understandable and only rolled in case nobody else wanted it. I do admit though, it was excessive. The GM told me to stop rolling on loot, so I did. In the end though, I was declined. I didn't think it was that big of a deal, but I guess the GM was really annoyed. I was sad, but not angry, as there are other guilds.
I then applied to another guild (on the same day as my other rejection), but was immediately rejected. They told me this: "We received some internal feedback regarding your behavior in previous raid groups. We were told that you have a tendency to be pompous and self-serving in your pursuits, that you weren't a team player."
I was shocked. I had never been declined like this. I first was worried that I gave off this impression regularly and started asking people I knew to give me an honest critique. My old GM said this: "You're a good player, and you know how the game works. However, you're not very good at presenting yourself to strangers." I realized then that my absentmindedness with loot had completely killed my chance of joining a competitive raiding group. Also, I later learned that the guilds talk to each other about who is applying.
What can I do now? A friend recommended server transferring, which I am considering. I have a bunch of alts though, and I do not want to leave them behind. I can wait until after my race/name change and pretend I server transferred and apply to a third guild. I also was wondering what you would recommend in terms of how to act to improve my image, and what is the best thing to do in first impressions.
Thanks!
Sad & and Wanting to Improve
- Don't pretend to be someone you're not. A new name won't change the past. Determined guilds and officers use tools such as WoWProgress to check out applicants for shiestiness, so you're fairly likely to get caught at your game. It's also fairly likely you'll eventually say or do something to connect you with your past identity and other characters. Most importantly, though, pretending to be someone else is just wrong -- and you deserve better.
- The grass really is greener. That's a pretty little metaphor -- much prettier, in fact, than the one my own guild tosses around in situations like this: "You've peed in your own pool." Get outta the water and go find another swimming hole. A realm full of people with reservations about your character is far from the place you want to hang your hat to enjoy your game time. This is your chance to find the right guild, the right realm, the right mix of people ... Your vistas are wide open before you.
- There's never been a better time to start fresh. You can change realms, factions, races, looks, names ... Or start fresh and see WoW from the start through the eyes of a race or faction or class you haven't tried before. There'll be plenty of raiding groups beginning Cataclysm content later on, once players have finished bringing up new characters and alts. The opportunities for finding a new raiding guild should stay open for quite some time.
- Don't worry about your alts. It's the beginning of a new expansion. XP flows like wine, and bringing up a new crew should be easy and more enjoyable than ever in the newly revised world. If you're starting out alone on a new realm, take a couple of gathering professions at first. You'll find yourself rolling in cash and resources sooner than you think.
- You chose your current server because of your brother who no longer plays.
- It's an RP server and you don't RP.
- Your server is "fairly weak when it comes to progression guilds."
While honesty is always the best policy, that doesn't mean you have to go to your new server carrying your bad reputation with you, like prisoner 24601 showing his parole papers to all prospective employers. Everyone deserves a clean slate, particularly if you want to pull a Jean Valjean and use it to be better. You don't put that temp, part-time job you got fired from as a kid on your resumé, because you learned your lesson and don't need that black mark following you around. You also don't need to put your previous server's guild experience on your new apps. Since you are working hard to not be that same guildie, it's just not indicative of your current behavior.
Now I'm going to paraphrase some tips I gave to Raiding While Female to help you make a good first impression:
- Let your actions do the talking. Keep quiet in Vent and guild/app chat unless absolutely necessary, until you are accepted and out of your initial probation period. Show that you are the player they want you to be; no need to tell them.
- Be uber. Work on your skills and your teamwork. Be the best of your class, and they will want to keep you around.
- Be humble. There's always something new to learn. Listen to advice, even if you already know what they are telling you. Keep your mind open to new ideas.
- Be patient about loot. If you're not sure if it's appropriate to roll on a piece of loot, ask permission in whispers before rolling. The loot will come. It's more important to get in good with a group of people you enjoy playing with than to have the best gear first.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Grovinofdarkhour Dec 10th 2010 5:12PM
This is why Blizzard should allow you to bring all your toons en masse from one server to another, for a package price significantly more reasonable than the flat $25 per toon.
niko Dec 10th 2010 5:20PM
I like the way you're thinking, Grovin.
WTB
Saitenyo Dec 10th 2010 5:59PM
That would be amazing. As someone with an army of crafting alts (one of each class and profession) I loathe the thought of ever having to server-transfer. :[
Robin Torres Dec 10th 2010 6:06PM
Agreed.
Twill Dec 11th 2010 1:46AM
Replying to this comment because Robin did.
The wow-progress thing is kind of creepy, but it seems to be super out-dated. I looked at your link, and the most recent logged change was in July. Is it really a reliable source to see name changes?
deluded spider Dec 15th 2010 7:29AM
I don't know the details, but someone I raid with called up Blizzard because he was going to be transferring 10 characters cross-faction and cross-server, and asked if they could cut him a deal. They did, but I don't remember how much cheaper it was. I also think he had previously transferred all those characters cross-realm and cross-faction before, so this was the second time he'd paid to do that within maybe 2 years. That might have had something to do with the deal.
Anyway, it might be worth a shot to call Blizzard and ask about it.
Per Dec 10th 2010 5:14PM
i just want to say that i approve of the use of Les Miserables.
Stan Dec 15th 2010 8:35PM
Well, it is the music of a people who will not be slaves again.
Dendaris Dec 10th 2010 6:58PM
I agree. The story is phenomenal (albeit a bit long-winded in Hugo's telling of it), and the music is tremendously powerful. I've seen it performed several times in as many theaters and couldn't pass up the chance to watch the vid above.
Also.... good advice and nice article, Drama Mamas.
Matthew Dec 10th 2010 7:50PM
It is now time to decide who we are.
Truer words were never said.
Trilynne Dec 10th 2010 5:16PM
holy crap... that sounds like my bro-in-law could have written that, except that he did get 12/12 in ICC, so it isn't him.... but so weird. xP Good luck to the writer, and I second server transferring! Get a fresh new start!
Eberron Dec 10th 2010 5:19PM
Well, if the player stuck to the 'only loot no one else wants' rule and wasn't causing problems due to that then... yeah.
I can appreciate wanting to spread the love around but if that was the case, that they genuinely were just picking up the scraps thrown off to the side, then this guild was just idiotic.
"Well if we accept members who take all the loot then what does it say?" It says you're late in the expansion cycle and you're rejecting perfectly good members because they're picking up the scraps you tossed in the 'do not want' pile.
This sort of crap annoys the ever loving piss out of me.
Brett Porter Dec 10th 2010 5:24PM
Seconded. If everything we read is true (yes I know, grain of salt and all that) then the guild seems a bit silly to have rejected them. When you are told, you can roll on stuff that no one else wants, and the guild you are applying to can see you are in need of gear upgrades (but still holding your own regardless), well you're probably going to go ahead and roll on that.
Seems a bit selfish for folks to get mad at someone for following the rules they themselves gave them.
You would definitely be better off with a server transfer, imo. Get to a PvE-Normal server where you have more choices (nothing against RP raiding guilds mind you).
Suvie Dec 10th 2010 5:26PM
I thought the letter writer meant that they were rolling against people in the guild and got turned down because other people wanted the gear, not that s/he wasn't allowed to roll on loot that was going to be sharded. If guildies were rolling on loot, and the OP knew s/he wouldn't get any gear unless no one wanted it, then why roll at all? Why not wait until the RL opens rolls and if anyone else rolls, then don't bother?
I wish we knew the whole story, there's a good chance "pompous and self-serving" and "don't know how to present yourself to strangers" is about more than loot rolls.
transrelativity Dec 10th 2010 6:16PM
The problem here is poor communication. The way I read the letter, the raid leader and the letter writer had different ideas about the loot rules, even though they thought they understood each other. The letter writer was told s/he wouldn't get anything unless nobody else wanted it and therefore put in a /roll for any items that would be upgrades, but didn't bitch when the items were rightfully handed over to the guild members. The raid leader, however, seemed to take offense at the act of rolling on loot itself, despite the fact that it wasn't awarded.
In my guild, I have no problem with people who roll on every piece of loot that's beneficial to their class, as long as they understand that they will not be receiving everything they roll on, or perhaps receiving nothing at all. In fact, I encourage people to roll. I need to see who is interested in and can use an item before I check to see who deserves it according to our loot rules. I try to make this clear to my guildmates, but sometimes it might not come across.
Long story short: the letter writer may well have offended the raid leader with his/her rolls, but the leader obviously didn't communicate the loot policy effectively.
Lemons Dec 10th 2010 6:34PM
People are strange, and some are easily offended. Then again, I can kind of see where the guild is coming from. Under the rules it's obvious that he's not going to win the piece of gear, so rolling against a higher-ranked player after they've already rolled kind of makes him come off as a bit of a loot whore.
I understand he wants to throw his hat in just in case other rollers reconsider, or some other circumstance happens, but honestly there is a bit of a procedure to these things and not following it could cast you in a bad light.
In any case the guild clearly overreacted. A small social fax paus shouldn't bar an otherwise good raider from joining the guild, and the fact that they told other guilds not to except his application is just mean-spirited. Swap servers, get into a leet guild, and then laugh when you're more geared and progressed then their best raiders. He who laughs last, laughs best.
Sleutel Dec 10th 2010 6:50PM
Yes, I'd say the fault lays entirely with the guild. If the writer of the letter had been throwing a fit every time a piece of gear went to someone else? Then, yeah, they'd be out of line. But rolling on upgrades with the understanding that they'll be passed over if a member wants them? Completely and absolutely acceptable.
I've been in guilds before that have had problems with people not rolling on upgrades because they're worried about looking greedy. I always wondered why that happened--apparently guilds like this one have turned them into paranoid nutcases.
Noyou Dec 10th 2010 10:25PM
most drama always seems to come down to loot. It's a weird situation indeed. You think if they had gear they wouldn't mind giving some away. I love how guilds can use good players to help them down things then go back on their word. The saddest part here is that they give the kid bad rep when it's their flimsy loot rule is what is in question. On the one hand though by the writer's own admission he seemed to be a 'what's in it for me' type guy so we don't know the real story. In the end yes, server transfer = win.
Snuzzle Dec 10th 2010 10:56PM
I agree with transrelativity. It sounds like a classic case of crossed wires, and the trial GM was wrong to give such a harsh statement to the other guild. Similarly, the other guild was wrong to take it at face value and not get the applicant's side. There's always two sides to a story, and while you may weigh the GM's opinion more than the applicant's (after all, you know the GM probably very well), it's never good to take such a black and white approach to disputes.
OP, it was a blessing that those guilds did not let you in with those attitudes.
Transfer to a new server, I say, and be glad to be off this realm. Be prepared, also, because even raiding guilds from different realms do communicate. Have a polite, thorough explanation ready when they ask you about the feedback they got from XYZ guild you app'd to on your old realm (and any good guild will). Don't badmouth, just like a job interview. Explain the communication confusion, and make sure you can tell the prospective guild what you've learned and how this situation has bettered you as a player.
Good luck.
Pyromelter Dec 10th 2010 5:21PM
Something doesn't add up about that letter. I can't imagine that following a loot policy, even if it was excessive, would be that big of a deal. In my guild, we would take pugs and have the same loot policy, and it never bothered us - if an item would just be sharded anyway, might as well give it to someone who can use it, you know?
If his former GM said something like "You just aren't good presenting yourself to strangers," it seems like there is more to it than rolling on loot. Robin, Lisa, don't you guys think there is more to it than just that? That statement made it sound like there is some lack of social skills going on with the letter writer.