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12-10-2010 @ 5:19PM
Well, if the player stuck to the 'only loot no one else wants' rule and wasn't causing problems due to that then... yeah.I can appreciate wanting to spread the love around but if that was the case, that they genuinely were just picking up the scraps thrown off to the side, then this guild was just idiotic."Well if we accept members who take all the loot then what does it say?" It says you're late in the expansion cycle and you're rejecting perfectly good members because they're picking up the scraps you tossed in the 'do not want' pile.This sort of crap annoys the ever loving piss out of me.
12-10-2010 @ 5:24PM
Seconded. If everything we read is true (yes I know, grain of salt and all that) then the guild seems a bit silly to have rejected them. When you are told, you can roll on stuff that no one else wants, and the guild you are applying to can see you are in need of gear upgrades (but still holding your own regardless), well you're probably going to go ahead and roll on that.Seems a bit selfish for folks to get mad at someone for following the rules they themselves gave them.You would definitely be better off with a server transfer, imo. Get to a PvE-Normal server where you have more choices (nothing against RP raiding guilds mind you).
12-10-2010 @ 5:26PM
I thought the letter writer meant that they were rolling against people in the guild and got turned down because other people wanted the gear, not that s/he wasn't allowed to roll on loot that was going to be sharded. If guildies were rolling on loot, and the OP knew s/he wouldn't get any gear unless no one wanted it, then why roll at all? Why not wait until the RL opens rolls and if anyone else rolls, then don't bother?I wish we knew the whole story, there's a good chance "pompous and self-serving" and "don't know how to present yourself to strangers" is about more than loot rolls.
12-10-2010 @ 6:16PM
The problem here is poor communication. The way I read the letter, the raid leader and the letter writer had different ideas about the loot rules, even though they thought they understood each other. The letter writer was told s/he wouldn't get anything unless nobody else wanted it and therefore put in a /roll for any items that would be upgrades, but didn't bitch when the items were rightfully handed over to the guild members. The raid leader, however, seemed to take offense at the act of rolling on loot itself, despite the fact that it wasn't awarded.In my guild, I have no problem with people who roll on every piece of loot that's beneficial to their class, as long as they understand that they will not be receiving everything they roll on, or perhaps receiving nothing at all. In fact, I encourage people to roll. I need to see who is interested in and can use an item before I check to see who deserves it according to our loot rules. I try to make this clear to my guildmates, but sometimes it might not come across.Long story short: the letter writer may well have offended the raid leader with his/her rolls, but the leader obviously didn't communicate the loot policy effectively.
12-10-2010 @ 6:34PM
People are strange, and some are easily offended. Then again, I can kind of see where the guild is coming from. Under the rules it's obvious that he's not going to win the piece of gear, so rolling against a higher-ranked player after they've already rolled kind of makes him come off as a bit of a loot whore. I understand he wants to throw his hat in just in case other rollers reconsider, or some other circumstance happens, but honestly there is a bit of a procedure to these things and not following it could cast you in a bad light.In any case the guild clearly overreacted. A small social fax paus shouldn't bar an otherwise good raider from joining the guild, and the fact that they told other guilds not to except his application is just mean-spirited. Swap servers, get into a leet guild, and then laugh when you're more geared and progressed then their best raiders. He who laughs last, laughs best.
12-10-2010 @ 6:50PM
Yes, I'd say the fault lays entirely with the guild. If the writer of the letter had been throwing a fit every time a piece of gear went to someone else? Then, yeah, they'd be out of line. But rolling on upgrades with the understanding that they'll be passed over if a member wants them? Completely and absolutely acceptable.I've been in guilds before that have had problems with people not rolling on upgrades because they're worried about looking greedy. I always wondered why that happened--apparently guilds like this one have turned them into paranoid nutcases.
12-10-2010 @ 10:25PM
most drama always seems to come down to loot. It's a weird situation indeed. You think if they had gear they wouldn't mind giving some away. I love how guilds can use good players to help them down things then go back on their word. The saddest part here is that they give the kid bad rep when it's their flimsy loot rule is what is in question. On the one hand though by the writer's own admission he seemed to be a 'what's in it for me' type guy so we don't know the real story. In the end yes, server transfer = win.
12-10-2010 @ 10:56PM
I agree with transrelativity. It sounds like a classic case of crossed wires, and the trial GM was wrong to give such a harsh statement to the other guild. Similarly, the other guild was wrong to take it at face value and not get the applicant's side. There's always two sides to a story, and while you may weigh the GM's opinion more than the applicant's (after all, you know the GM probably very well), it's never good to take such a black and white approach to disputes.OP, it was a blessing that those guilds did not let you in with those attitudes. Transfer to a new server, I say, and be glad to be off this realm. Be prepared, also, because even raiding guilds from different realms do communicate. Have a polite, thorough explanation ready when they ask you about the feedback they got from XYZ guild you app'd to on your old realm (and any good guild will). Don't badmouth, just like a job interview. Explain the communication confusion, and make sure you can tell the prospective guild what you've learned and how this situation has bettered you as a player.Good luck.
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