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12-13-2010 @ 2:17PM
i have to say, yes it is a good thing, and wholeheartedly disagree.i respect your opinion however. and fully agree that is is unfair to smaller guilds.with that said consider this-do smaller guilds really deserve the same gifts that a guild that has worked together potentially for years can receive? in 6 months if things had stayed the way they launched every guild would be lvl 25 with a dark phoenix, AND IT WOULD MEAN NOTHING. this all caps statement is most important not for its "loudness" but the clarity of its message.achievements should be special, not trivial. a small guild will still earn reasonable rewards as well.but consider the people that are most hurt by this -- guilds who are essentially casual 10 man guilds. those guilds might be very hardcore-raiding 3 nights a week for 5 hours or something. but not all of those 10 people can be online all the time. in fact those 10 people are barely more then a slightly larger heroic group . i dont mean to undermine 10 man groups but 10 people is much smaller and then a 25 person guild. the people that accept the larger amounts of drama in a 25s guild and deal with it, and work through it, will be rewarded slightly (very very slightly) faster then small guilds. wouldn't it be stupid if a guild of 10 people had the same perks 6 months from now that a guild running 2 25 crews has? would it at least be a little weird or Imbalanced? my final point is something you didn't quite mention in your article-when those new peaks are attained, say guild level 10 or 25wont it be incredibly meaningful for the people who are around then? and why wouldn't it be a huge huge morale boost for a small group of friends on a server to have run a guild from 10 players for so long that they achieve an heirloom, or some guild page or some perk that i dont know about. GREAT ARTICLE it really got me thinking about many things!
12-13-2010 @ 2:26PM
Just to correct a common misconception: The dark phoenix mount is not rewarded by guild level. It is rewarded by clearing the current tier of normal raids.
12-13-2010 @ 2:44PM
Almost all of the item guild rewards are from achievements instead of speed of levelling. With the (I believe) sole exceptions of the level 25 guild mount (which I think you have to be exalted to get?) and the next guild vault voucher, there is no difference in the speed at which small guilds could obtain them before, and what they can get now.Examples: fish feasts (from fishing x number of fish), guild page (from killing x horde), the dark phoenix (raid achievements), the armadillo pet (killing 50k critters), etc.I'm afraid that the guild lions/scorpions would've been a dime a dozen the day the guild rep cap can be hit, and will now be a dime a dozen the day guild level 25 can be hit, all across the servers.
12-13-2010 @ 3:18PM
Wouldn't it be stupid if a dedicated 10-man group that raided 3 nights a week on new content and took another night to work towards guild achievements got all the benefits? Wouldn't it be stupid if a hardworking 10-man guild got the same benefits as a casual 25? I can't think of anything more stupid in the entire game.Sarcasm aside, I am no supporter of Blizzards making all content available to everyone. Everybody on my server seeming to have gotten the same Kingslayer title when the ICC buff went up to 30% that my hardworking 10-man guild had months before is a bit annoying for a half second, but it is a game and why shouldn't everyone get to enjoy it? It doesn't diminish the fun that I had getting there with the friends in my guild. It's a bit frustrating, but largely because of the attitude of entitlement that I feel among players, not because the opportunity is there for everyone.I hate 25-mans. I hate the organizational nightmare that they have been in my guild, and I hate that they have nearly destroyed my guild 3 times. 10-mans are a good fit for us. We may get less gear, or lower tier gear, but it's worth it to raid the way we want to. But saying that all of our work together shouldn't be awarded as much because there aren't as many of us? That people dicking around in 25's should automatically get better perks like xp bonuses and new heirlooms for alts just because there are more of them? That is just stupid.
12-13-2010 @ 3:31PM
@venomslife - "with that said consider this-do smaller guilds really deserve the same gifts that a guild that has worked together potentially for years can receive?" "achievements should be special, not trivial. a small guild will still earn reasonable rewards as well.""wouldn't it be stupid if a guild of 10 people had the same perks 6 months from now that a guild running 2 25 crews has? would it at least be a little weird or Imbalanced?"Exactly why is it you think that smaller guilds haven't worked together for years? Why is it the assumption is that just because someone belongs to a smaller guild they neither play as hard or as long as someone in a larger one? They could be just as dedicated to WoW, their guild and their toons as someone in a large guild, but not wanting to put up with being "lost in the crowd".Size does not equal contribution nor dedication. Just because a large guild has the people to do the 10,000 feasts in one day does not mean it's any better (or worse) than a 15 man guild that takes a month to do it. In fact, a 15 man guild that completes that achieve is potentially working HARDER than that 200 man guild!And, so that you know, I'm not disagreeing with the point that Blizz should have made this change a different way, but bashing them looking out for smaller guilds just because they are small, that's not right either. And if you think you aren't bashing them, look again at what I copied.
12-13-2010 @ 3:34PM
Guild achievements already are meaningless. If they want to make is "casual" friendly, then by it's very nature it's easily obtainable (over enough time) and thus every guild will be level 25, everyone will have a dark phoenix, and it will be meaningless.In 6-12 months, Ashes of A'lar will still be more coveted.
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