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12-17-2010 @ 7:14PM
The whole damn thing needs to be scrapped. They could honestly just copy and paste wintergrasp (my favorite battleground of all time), and the entire player base would be happy.Or copy/paste with some modifications to fit the landscape.Speaking of WG, it's sad how abandoned that place is. I wish blizzard could add WG to the "random battleground" queue and make it it's own instance. A 40v40 regular instanced "Wintergrasp" battleground would be really, really fun, and they could just open WG/VOA to both factions on the live servers - no one would miss it, I promise, especially if you could queue for it as an instanced BG.
12-17-2010 @ 7:24PM
WG is my favorite world PVP event. Making it a BG would be one of the best things for Blizzard to do.
12-17-2010 @ 7:27PM
What a great idea... I totally agree with making WG like a lvl 80+ BG!
12-17-2010 @ 7:28PM
I agree with you 100%It is terrible to ignore such a fantastic Siege fight in WIntergrasp.Make it a 80 vs 80 BG with the same motivation to southern tower destruction and you have the best massive BG available.To me WG was a work of art in Wotlk. You don't throw such things away like you did with the TBC open world PvP towers which nobody cared for.Also the whiners complained about the tank riding: at least it was a nice diversion. But like always, they listened to the wrong people.
12-17-2010 @ 7:30PM
And while they're at it, I would also really enjoy an instanced battleground version of Halaa, yet another great world PvP area that has fallen into disuse. Sure, perhaps it could use a few tweaks to bring it up to par, but all in all Halaa was very enjoyable, and most importantly it was different from all of the other battleground mechanics.
12-17-2010 @ 7:57PM
Maybe I'm the only one, but I had my fun with WG but am ready to try something new, even if it's going to take some time to iron out.As much as people seem to enjoy WG, I can't begin to imagine the QQ if Blizzard brought it (or something very similar) back as TB. Assault the fortress with siege weapons and towers gets boring after 3-4 years, no matter how you dress it up. Also all I heard from people after Wrath is that they wanted away with Vehicle mechanics where it mattered (raids, bgs, dungeons).Making into a battleground I think is a good idea, it would keep it fresh and exciting and they wouldn't have to deal with the imbalance that often ruined it for so many people. That being said, however, WG matches tend to take about twice as long as other Bgs, so it would have to be modified in some way or another.
12-17-2010 @ 8:23PM
came here to sign on to the list of people who love wintergrasp.
12-17-2010 @ 8:43PM
WG would be an amazingly fun BG.
12-17-2010 @ 8:51PM
All these rose-colored glasses have got to be worn by people on faction balanced servers, or who are on the numerically dominant faction of their lopsided server. Because if you had the misfortune of being in the grossly outnumbered faction on a lopsided server, Wintergrasp was hell until damn near the end of the expansion, when they *finally* managed to address the issue properly. And naturally, by then no one cared about VoA. There are seriously Horde on my server who were 80 for months and had no idea what a Stone Keeper Shard was.That's not to say Tol Barad doesn't have its issues, but the queuing system is one of its few selling points. If you find it grossly unfair that you can't queue because your faction has 40 billion people in it as opposed to the other faction's 10? Sorry, but spare me the crocodile tears. Tol Barad's queuing system isn't the problem here. It's the faction imbalances themselves that are the problem, and Blizzard exacerbating them by doing shit like inexplicably allowing faction/server transfers to the dominant faction on imbalanced servers. I don't know a single imbalanced server that didn't get even more lopsided since faction switching became available, as people in the minority got fed up with the frustration and switched to the "winning" side. If people like that get kept out of Tol Barad, it's nothing but schadenfreude to me, and they only have themselves to blame.
12-17-2010 @ 9:56PM
Kylenne, I agree with the faction-imbalance.But it also sucks to have it be like 2v2, 3v3, in such a large battleground.When you would get a large amount of even players, WG is just as fun as AV. Instancing WG would basically guarantee large groups of even numbers.I think no matter what blizzard does, it will never match the number of pvp'ers on a server. That's what makes (generally speaking) instanced bg's a lot more fair than things like halaa, WG, tol barad, etc. Maybe not perfectly fair, but at least more fair than it is now in those places.
12-17-2010 @ 11:56PM
Never even been to tol barad yet, nor have I tried. Problem I have with this and WSG is that it requires too much reliance on people working together (same could be said about bg's in general i spose) and on certain realm+factions that just doesn't happen.I know my realm Auchindoun EU had a free transfer from another realm (just a pure alliance pvp realm), the alliance came over and just owned WSG. I don't believe that happened that's just the tale in /defence when we lost again- in amongst the heavily CAPS'D "ZOMG U *&*&**&*&*&*^^%^%^$%$@@ NOOOOOOBS!".While I'm fairly sure the alliance on our realm just went and did what they were meant to do, I've got a soft focus image of a chat box with "more defence on towers" and some god forsaken gnome actually moving to help defend, our lot it's just silence we're all gonna clump at the gate/wall and stay there.There needs to be some punishment for not following orders, I know that putting that in opens a whole other can of worms, but if you made TB or WSG instance BG's I can guarantee it will just end up with a massive HK farm in the middle, no matter who's controlling. It's really a impossible task to fix, but from what I've heard the place is well and truly broken. I know it's not even mentioned in trade- I've never once seen "TB's up come on guys for the horde". Only reason I knew it existed was because I noticed the portal when I was heading back to highlands, and i can farm aszhara's veil with out goin back to vash'jir.Whole thing seems like a half arsed measure, forgotten about half way through beta.
12-18-2010 @ 7:54AM
Making WG into a BG is a GREAT idea! It should be done immediately!
12-18-2010 @ 7:59AM
Wintergrasp as an instanced Battleground? *drools* I think we need to start a thread over in the battlenet suggestion section!
12-18-2010 @ 8:15AM
One idea: make it some kind of "reverse instancing".For the duration of the battle, if the number of participating players would be below half the max number of players, pick two or more realms with complementary populations and join their Tol Barad zone for the duration of the battle. Apply the results to all involved realms.If done correctly, players in the dominating factions of all involved realms get much more chance at even participating in the battle, and everyone gets bigger battles.
12-19-2010 @ 3:55AM
You know, after 2 years of having WG for one day a week because Alliance ridiculously outnumbered Horde on Proudmoore, I'm going to say that Tol Barad has given us equal opportunity to gain access to a raid boss and extra dailies.I'm finding that the only ones crying about this issue are the ones who were accustomed to fighting in and maintining control of Wintergrasp.Now all of a sudden the otherside is gaining control of it, disrupting the natural order of your respective server life, and that somehow makes the game mechanics fail.I'm sorry, but from all of us who were respectively screwed for two years: eff. you.I'll agree that TB heavily favors the defense, but just as well, shouldn't it? I mean, you wouldn't expect to just waltz up into another country's/faction's territory and ROFLPWN them into submission without some sort of challenge, right? And that was the problem with Wintergrasp on heavily unbalanced servers. For Proudmoore, Alliance won simply by outnumbering. That's not strategy or beauty in design.I'd say right about now with the current mechanics, control of TB goes back and forth on Proudmoore with Alliance having it for a few days, then Horde. And I really think that's how it should be. No side should have it 95% of the time, which was the case for Wintergrasp on this server.And for servers (like Dark Iron where alts of mine resided), Wintergrasp was shared equally, nothing has changed. Yes attacking is hard, but once you've successfully gained control, you can rest assured knowing that defending it will be a little easier and that you won't lose it after just two hours.
12-20-2010 @ 2:07AM
I agree with kylenne, those of us on the low side of unbalanced servers had hardly any access to VoA and such for near the entire wrath exspansion, so i do not feel that bad winning in an actual fair fight and i'm sorry to say this but now you know how we felt being locked out of content.
12-20-2010 @ 10:06AM
What if Blizz did both instancing and timed battles in the game world? Give the game world battles extra rewards or the instanced ones less to give incentive to play the game world battles. This allows all the associated buffs to the game world, e.g. Essence of WG, to stay in place and allow instanced play.
12-20-2010 @ 1:40PM
WG is amazing and I still get a group of friends to queue for some easy honor points. Even at 85, there are probably 5-10 people per side so it can still be enjoyable.
12-29-2010 @ 1:07PM
I second this. Please make WeeGee a BeeGee
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