Know Your Lore: Sylvanas Windrunner, part 2, page 2

King Genn Greymane tried to pull together his kingdom, but the place was in tatters. Not only were there reports of Forsaken activity, but the worgen curse was ripping through his people and nobody, not even himself, was safe from its effects. In addition, Gilnean nobility chafed under his rule, most notably Lord Vincent Godfrey. After Godfrey discovered that Greymane had succumbed to the worgen curse, he turned on his king, kidnapping him and holding him for ransom. Once Greymane was rescued, Godfrey leapt from the cliffs to his death, because he preferred death to having a worgen as his king.
This played into Sylvanas' hands quite nicely. Intelligence reports brought word of Godfrey to her, and she ordered his body found, to be raised by val'kyr as one of the Forsaken. Lord Godfrey was intended to be an ally that would provide useful intelligence in regards to Gilneas and those still in power -- including Lord Darius Crowley, who was the largest obstacle standing in Sylvanas' way.
For the Horde, of course. Though Sylvanas is quick to state that all of her actions are in the name of the Horde, her comments when not under the scrutiny of any orcs assigned to watch her tell a different story entirely. Since the Wrathgate, use of the Forsaken blight was forbidden, but Sylvanas continued to use it at every opportunity. Is the blight that useful of a tool, or are Sylvanas and the Forsaken planning another coup -- not of the Undercity, but of the Horde itself?Sylvanas Windrunner says: Rise, Lord Vincent Godfrey. Be reborn as an instrument of my vengeance!
Arthura rises in the air and proceeds to reanimate Lord Godfrey, Baron Ashbury and Lord Walden.
Lord Godfrey says: I live again...
Sylvanas Windrunner says: You live to serve me, Godfrey. Together we will crush the worgen uprising and retake Gilneas for the Forsaken.
High Warlord Cromush says: For the Horde ...
Sylvanas Windrunner says: Yes, of course ...
In Silverpine, Lord Godfrey and his men began their work for Sylvanas by wiping out Pyrewood Village and the worgen inhabitants of the area. But the worgen of Gilneas, led by Darius Crowley, weren't without their own allies. Crowley managed to forge an alliance with Ivar Bloodfang, the leader of the Bloodfang worgen. Together, the two groups continued to create havoc and destroy Sylvanas' forces. In short time, the banshee queen found herself in danger of losing not only the war in Gilneas but possibly Silverpine as well. And so she hatched a plan for victory, with Lord Godfrey's help.

The Horde had claimed Gilneas, and victory was Sylvanas' at last. The victory was to be short-lived. Suddenly, Lord Godfrey pulled out a gun, shot Sylvanas at point blank range, and the Banshee Queen of the Forsaken fell to the ground, dead. But the val'kyr weren't about to let that stand.
This is potentially the most terrifying moment of Cataclysm. Why? Because the implications of what exactly occurred haven't been defined. What we do know is this: Sylvanas made some sort of pact with the val'kyr. The details of that pact, the terms and conditions are completely unknown. But that pact contained something that was powerful enough that the val'kyr in Sylvanas' service would kill themselves in order to save her life.High Warlord Cromush says: Fix her... FIX HER!
Agatha says: We are bound to her, sisters...
Arthura says: It will destroy us, sister...
Daschla says: It is our sacred duty. The pact was sealed, the bargain made...
Arthura says: Then let it be done.
The group of val'kyr resurrects Sylvanas, sacrificing themselves in the process.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: I saw... only darkness.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: And as I drifted towards nothingness, a brilliant light appeared, then another, and another... My dear val'kyr.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: I know now - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that the val'kyr are our future.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: We will never stop fighting for Lordaeron. Never...

Alternatively, is the woman who stood up, looked around, and proudly proclaimed that the val'kyr are the future -- is that Sylvanas Windrunner? Or are we dealing with someone, something else entirely now? The val'kyr were able to resurrect thousands of dead soldiers with no consequence to them at all -- why did they have to die to bring Sylvanas back? Is it because she's already Forsaken, or is it because they weren't dying at all -- they were simply taking over Sylvanas' corpse?
Sylvanas Windrunner has always shown herself to be a woman of single-minded determination -- once she had her eyes set on something, she would stop at nothing until she obtained whatever it was she was after. In life, it was the defense of Silvermoon and the Sunwell -- and she was close to succeeding until her death at Arthas' hands. After her death, once Arthas' hold over her began to slip, it was to kill Arthas and make him suffer for every ounce of torment he'd put her through. When Arthas escaped to Northrend, Sylvanas bided her time with her newfound people, the Forsaken, waiting for the opportunity to strike.

The Horde may have forbidden the use of the Forsaken blight, but this made little to no difference to Sylvanas, who continued to use the blight at every opportunity when it looked as though it would give her the upper hand. She claimed to work for the Horde, but casual comments dropped here and there lead to the conclusion that Sylvanas isn't really working for the Horde -- she's working for herself and her people, and woe betide anyone who happens to be standing in her way.
She succeeded in snatching Gilneas from the worgen for now, and paid her life -- or unlife, such as it is -- for it. She was brought back by the val'kyr -- but at what cost? What does the banshee queen owe the val'kyr now, and when will we see the results of the undefined pact with the former servants of the Lich King?
Speaking of the Lich King, Garrosh asked a very important question -- what is the difference between Sylvanas and the Lich King, now? When we look at Arthas, he was a young man driven by one thing -- total eradication of the Scourge. Instead, he ended up becoming a kingpin in their forces, manipulated by the Lich King into serving him eternally, entwined as one being. With Sylvanas, she spent her life devoted to the defense of her people, and in the end, died trying to eradicate the Scourge that threatened the Sunwell.
After her death, she was raised as a servant of the Lich King. She managed to break free of that grasp, becoming her own entity, but her fate was perilously close to the one that Arthas suffered. In Northrend, the Lich King raised the undead as servants to his cause -- total eradication of life on Azeroth. Now, it seems as though Sylvanas is doing exactly the same thing. Perhaps the most chilling comparison can be found in the cinematic of Arthas' death:
"I see .. only darkness before me."
Sound familiar? It's exactly what Sylvanas said after her resurrection. The parallel to Arthas is made blatantly clear -- leading us to believe that there really is very little preventing Sylvanas from stepping up as a Lich Queen of sorts. For a time -- particularly during her attempts to get the blood elves included as members of the Horde -- it seemed as though Sylvanas was perhaps reaching back to her living roots in an attempt to steady herself, but those connections have all but slipped away in Cataclysm.
As for the answer to Garrosh's question ...
From tortured leader to triumphant overlord, in Cataclysm, Sylvanas has stepped up her role as leader of the Forsaken in a major way. But her plans beyond expanding Forsaken borders and boosting the population of the formerly living residents of Lordaeron are for now unclear. Will Sylvanas ultimately bow to the might of the Horde and take her place as a valuable ally, or will her continued use of the Forsaken blight and her odd alliance with the val'kyr prove to be her downfall? Hopefully we'll see some of these questions addressed with future Cataclysm content.Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Isn't it obvious, Warchief? I serve the Horde.
Sylvanas mockingly salutes Garrosh.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 6)
$am Dec 20th 2010 7:39AM
@Omegan01
"The reason nobody trusts the Forsaken as a whole is because they started acting like genocidal freaks to begin with."
No.
FIRST thing happened was try to burn them alive (undead) and destroy everything they were, not listening to their plies that they finally broke free and deny their existence itself.
Even nature itself disgust them after they broke free (first mission wc3 when sylvanas talk to her banshee)
NO ONE, trust them, you name very few people, who are treated good, most people only from day one tried to end them
And Lordearon for the record is considered "wiped out" by Arthas, so whatever humans left in it, they are too few to consider them a nation.
On other hand, we have now most of people who DIED defending it, are now back as forsaken and want their lands, after all, they DID die for it.
Pls check King Terenas II tomb at entrance of UC to see if undead are actually evil who kept their evil methods, not humans who forced to go that way.
Why undead when risen are loyal to forsaken ? because they know that their human "friends" will try to burn them on sight, because that is what they did and died trying to. Assume you are in an army fight, where each side has complete very unique cloth set, and your cloth got burned so you wear the cloth set of your enemies, in a heated fight, what is the chance your "friends" won't fire first then discover their mistake later ?
If I die and got rez by sylvannas I'll swear loyalty to her, because I died trying to wipe her and I know that who didn't die yet will try to wipe her and her people, which I'm automatically assumed one of them (they won't listen to me, they never listened to the original forsaken from start, they never did and never will)
Omegan01 Dec 20th 2010 2:23PM
OK, here we go.
@ Amaxe:
Sorry, my terminology is a little rusty. :)
@ N-train:
"You're also right in that the Forsaken didn't really make any attempts at reconciliation or peace, but why should they?"
Because morally, it would have been the right thing to do. They didn't even make the attempt.
"Plus, Garithos, the de-facto leader of Lordaeron, came straight out and told the Forsaken that they did not belong here, which probably came to a shock to any Forsaken who still (rightfully) identified him/herself as a citizen of Lordaeron."
Gee, maybe Garithos told them to get out because Sylvanas had promised to help him retake his kingdom:
Varimathras: Come now, you have no intention of giving them their lands back.
Sylvanas: Of course not. The humans are simply a means to an end.
Maybe if Sylvanas had actually tried to broker some kind of deal the man might have actually gone to the negotiating table. Again: SHE DIDN'T EVEN TRY.
We come back to this again and again: the Forsaken didn't even attempt to broker peace, negotiate, or bargain. From word one Sylvanas was plotting assassination, mind control and mass murder. It wasn't until the Forsaken were threatened with a massive curbstomping from the Scourge that she ran to the Horde. Right from the get-go Sylvanas divided the Forsakens' world into one big "us vs them" scenarion. You can talk all day about how this might have happened or that might have happened, but it always comes back to the fact that Sylvanas didn't even put in a token effort. She was power-hungry and murderous from the very beginning. She IS evil and she only cares about the Forsaken insofar as much as they'll do one thing: keep her in power. As we saw in Arthas, Rise of the Lich King, she's quite content to use her own citizens as test subjects if it means securing her own power base. Sylvanas and her people as a whole have been very little other than evil, evil, evil since the beginning.
@ $am:
"NO ONE, trust them, you name very few people, who are treated good, most people only from day one tried to end them"
I like how you break your own logic. "NO ONE TRUSTS THEM except for you know who anyone who works with those guys you named."
Has it ever occured to you that people don't trust the forsaken BECAUSE THE FORSAKEN DON'T ACT TRUSTWORTHY.
When invidivual Forsaken show that they are capable and willing to deal with others fairly, they are treated fairly. Go to EPL nowadays and you find Leonid Batholomew engaged in spirited debate with a member of the Brotherhood of the Light, a group that prides itself on being nearly as hardline as the Scarlet Crusade.
"Pls check King Terenas II tomb at entrance of UC to see if undead are actually evil who kept their evil methods, not humans who forced to go that way."
While I'm checking a stone monument that may or may not have been put up by the Forsaken, how about you go down to the Apothecarium and take a look at the human beings kept in cages and used as test subjects for plague experiments.
"Why undead when risen are loyal to forsaken ? because they know that their human "friends" will try to burn them on sight, because that is what they did and died trying to. Assume you are in an army fight, where each side has complete very unique cloth set, and your cloth got burned so you wear the cloth set of your enemies, in a heated fight, what is the chance your "friends" won't fire first then discover their mistake later ?"
Bullshit.
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
An invidivual might make this decision given a chance to consider it, but hardly EVERY SINGLE ONE is going to do it ON THE SPOT.
Do you honestly think that every single soldier, farmer, and worker being Forsakened in Silverpine and WPL is thinking "I hate the Forsaken, oops now I'm undead, guess I hate humans now!" in the span of a few seconds?
You're deluding yourself if you honestly think that's what would happen.
Lillian Voss' reaction to her undeath is much more realistic: she goes nuts. She can't be a Scarlet Crusader anymore, but she still hates the Forsaken, so she strikes out on her own.
In every instance following that, it's abundantly clear that the val'kyr are brainwashing people, turning them into good little pro-Sylvanas robots for the war machine.
THEY ACT NO DIFFERENT FROM THE SCOURGE. THEREFORE THEY ARE TREATED LIKE SCOURGE.
If you want to willingly submit yourself to being ruled over by a power-hungry she-tyrant, knock yourself out. Me? I'm putting on the white and gold and hanging out with the guy who's already killed one ruler of the undead.
Al Dec 20th 2010 6:34PM
@$am, you're utterly wrong.
The first time the Alliance encountered the Forsaken, they teamed up to take back Lordaeron city. Then got betrayed and slaughtered by the Forsaken. First impressions count, and the Forsaken chose to make theirs one of brutal murderers who can not be trusted.
lilywillylover Dec 19th 2010 10:08PM
Sylvanas' Val'kyr can only resurrect humans as undead. Hence why the 7th Legion soldiers in Silverpine are all non-humans.
Nina Katarina Dec 20th 2010 9:23AM
Right, and Sylvanas wasn't human, she was a hot, er, high elf.
Ilmyrn Dec 20th 2010 11:54AM
@ Nina: True, but Sylvanas was also raised by Arthas himself, pre-Lich King to be sure, but he was still the Lich King's greatest champion at the time, and the Lich King was channeling enormous power into him. Also, from the movie Blizz released of it, it looked like a fairly involved ritual to raise her, far from the almost offhanded way the Scourge were able to raise dead humans.
Cure4Living Dec 19th 2010 11:39PM
Other than that pretty good article. Too bad I didn't get to enjoy the Lord Godfrey quest in Ruins of Gilneas (stupid phasing bug).
Although there is one correction the Forsaken are still allowed to use the blight, just not the full strength version. Its said as much in by several NPC in Silverpine and also in Shadowfang Keep. Although the Forsaken do tend to resort to it quickly (although from their point of view its a very very effective tool since it kills everything).
Jaena Vashj Dec 19th 2010 11:52PM
I love it all, I really want to reroll an undead character now just to see all of this.
No matter what Sylvanas' motives are I believe I have a pretty good idea about what is going to happen next.
Sylvanas will continue to expand her borders, killing humans and raising them as 'Forsaken' untill the whole northern part of the Eastern Kingdoms is hers, except from the Blood Elf lands. I have a feeling that if she tries to push further south than that the Alliance will devote a large scale force to try and put a final stop to her.
Garrosh will let this happen because 1. He doesn't know Sylvanas is using the all-purpose blight 2. He doesn't know Sylvanas' true intentions 3. None of the allies of the horde have suffered from her actions.
Now consider this, she reaches a standstill with the alliance forces and she starts to take heavy losses, how will she find more troops? Clearly she wants the Horde backing her up against 'her' war with the Alliance, but about when their usefulness finally comes to an end. She may secretly begin to make new forsaken from the fallen Horde members, but those won't be in large enough numbers surely, she may end up mass killing all of the living Horde within 'her' kingdom, and why stop there? There are alot of living Blood Elves very close by, undeath has been good to her, she's just doing her former countrymen a service. Then Garrosh see's the light, and the Horde and Alliance go for Sylvanas.
Of course I doubt that all of the original forsaken, with their wills intact, will want to be a part of Sylvanas' crusade, either because they see it as wrong, or they see that she is just mad and know that should she win she won't make their lives easy. Seperate Forsaken faction?
A small question of her past. When she started her quest to kill the Lich King her forsaken followers went along with her because they shared the same goal. The lich king tore them from their old lives, lives with families, friends, jobs, communities. Essentially a happy life for most, and then turned them into the undead, and made them kill thousands more of their kinsmen to be raised as more undead. Hell I'd want to kill the guy who did that to me. They didn't exactly like the living after that either, hell they still had their lives, so some clearly didn't worry about killing them or using them in plague experiments. What now?
The lich king is dead, his goal of turning all life in azeroth into his undead slaves is over. Sylvanas and her Forsaken loyalists now don't know what to do. Whether it's because they were risen by Arthas, exposed to his influence, or some other reason that we don't yet know, the Forsaken have taken up his cause. They are now killing the living and raising them into undeath against their will, and from the sounds of it they share the same mindless unwavering loyalty to Sylvanas that the Lich King's scourge had for him. Similar much?
Admittedly it is quite a turn around for Sylvanas, but perhaps the last few years have finally broken what was left of her High Elf decency. Maybe it's mind control, maybe its just pure posession, or maybe she and Deathwing have something in common.
Last bit I swear.
What I want to know is, what are the Argent Crusade and the Knights of the Ebon Blade doing now?
Yes we see the Argent Crusade taking up some of the Scarlet crusades old holdings, and why not? Did use to be their home. But can they be so naive as to completely ignore what is happening on their doorstep? The Forsaken are using their plague to kill innocent farmers (in some cases), and then raising them into undead against their will, and in the process they are blighting the land which many have worked hard to heal. I know they don't interfere with Horde and Alliance conflicts, but this goes beyond simple politics.
Also the Knights of the Ebon Blade, where are they? Of course we haven't heard from them so they are probably helping to clear up the scouge in Northrend, since we haven't heard a peep from them in the Eastern Kingdoms or Kalimdor, aside from the normal. I don't count Thassarian or Koltira since they are working for seperate factions, and heres my point.
We see what happens to Koltira, well the horde do, and understandably Sylvanas would be pissed off, but I don't think she is going to just lock him up. Free will sounds like a big issue with Sylvanas doesn't it? Now I can understand that the Knights wouldn't interfere with the battle he took part in, since it was his choice, but he is still their brother, as shown by his conversations with Thassarian, faction disputes can't tear them apart baby. Perhaps not currently, but eventually when word spreads of Koltira's fate many Knights will stand in arms againts Sylvanas, she is all for what they are also against.
Well that's what I believe :) Rant over
mingdi9 Dec 20th 2010 1:35AM
Well, to just address one point, we've already had it established that Sylvanas' val'kyr can only raise humans, so there's actually no reason at all for her to kill any Horde race - she can't actually make Forsaken out of them.
StClair Dec 20th 2010 3:01AM
There IS a reason for the Forsaken to kill Horde also: do unto them before they do unto you. Again, the Forsaken mentality is that the only way they'll be safe is if everyone is either "one of us" or dead-dead.
Astalnar Dec 20th 2010 12:40AM
Nobody understands Sylvanas. She had to watch Varimathras for so many years playing with plague and turn a blind eye to it. Now, with Varimatras gone, she can play with her toys to her hearts content.
akheloios75 Dec 20th 2010 1:54AM
Great article, but I think you're misunderstanding the nature of obligation. In mythology, especially Greek, a bargain and/or obligation is sacred, and to break it is the worst of sins. If Blizzard are using classical tropes, then the Val'kyr aren't sacrificing themselves because they necessarily think they'll get something of equal or greater value, but because they have made a bargain in the past to support Sylvanas, on whatever terms, to allow her to remain dead would be against the spirit of that agreement.
If the trope is followed, then the Val'kyr would certainly not have made any bargain that included the explicit sacrifice of their own lives, but instead the circumstances would force them into the sacrifice as the situation changed. The Val'kyr already have what they wanted, who knows what it is, a place in society? power? protection? Sylvanas' death is a surprise, but if the only way for them to honour their existing agreement is to sacrifice themselves then that's what they have to do, even if the original terms of the agreement never mention it.
It's one of the great things about classical mythology, the bargain that has unforeseen consequences that leads to great hardship for the parties involved, think of the Trojan war and the alliance of the Greek Kings had, the kidnap of Helen couldn't have been foreseen, and the kidnap of one person led to 10 years of war for all involved.
To the Greeks, and the Val'kyr in this case, breaking an agreement is simply impossible, honour and obligation are more important than your own life.
This quest-line is why I'm so in love with the Forsaken (and Blizzard) this expansion, it's literally epic storytelling.
mingdi9 Dec 20th 2010 2:09AM
I notice there are comments on the first page. Man, how did that even happen? I didn't think it could. But for people who didn't notice, there's a short discussion on the free will of the Forsaken raised by the val'kyr there.
So, because I can't reply to that thread, lemme tell you a story from the beta here (apologies).
Here's the Wowpedia link to a quest from the WPL: http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Combat_Training. Here's the Wowhead version: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26938. Do you notice a difference?
That's right, the Wowpedia version tells the player to "Charm" newly risen Forsaken, while the Wowhead version says to "mobilize" them. This is almost certainly because the Wowpedia version reflects what was in the beta, while the Wowhead version reflects what is on live. (Someone should probably fix that, by the way.) You can see the change in these quests as well: http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Ace_in_the_Hole. You need to go to the Wowhead link from there, it won't let me post more than three urls.
Now, I was in the beta, and played through Tirisfal Glades, Silverpine Forest, Hillsbrad Foothills and both Plaguelands, and, to my knowledge, this was the only place that ever suggested that the val'kyr had any sort of mind control ability (and thus is why people began to claim that Sylvanas was brainwashing her new Forsaken). As this was the only place that suggested it and the val'kyr's Charm ability had absolutely no flavor dialogue attached or even a description in the tooltip, I left feedback about the inconsistency, and probably lots of other people did too, saying that either:
1) if the val'kyr are meant to mind controlling the new Forsaken, then we should be made perfectly clear on that fact, with dialogue and such to boot, or
2) if the val'kyr are not meant to be mind controlling people, then the ability should be renamed "Recruit" or something, because it would change absolutely nothing about the quests except for the text, that's how little flavor their Charm ability had.
You can see they've evidently gone with the latter choice, which I think should clear up any doubts about the free will of the people raised by the val'kyr.
Here's another one. You know the new 1-5 Undead starting area? The one that tries very well to show you that the Forsaken risen by the val'kyr have free will? That wasn't the first revamp Blizzard did of the area. The original revamp was a lot more like the one for the orc starting area, where the biggest change were that the first thing you're asked to do is open four coffins to wake up new Forsaken, revealing two new Forsaken, a hostile Deathknell Scourge that is immediately one-shotted by a guard, and Lillian Voss. If I recall correctly, the 1-5 Undead starting area was revamped after the rest of Tirisfal Glades, Silverpine Forest and the Plaguelands were ready for testing, so that strongly suggests that the new Undead starting experience was designed to drill in the idea that the val'kyr aren't mind controlling anyone.
Bodrake Dec 20th 2010 2:35AM
In my eyes, the val'kyr look and act very much like spirit healers. So that begs the question, where do spirit healers come from, what is their relationship to the val'kyr, and do they derive their powers from the same source?
If you want Tinfoil Hat Edition, could it be that the Spirit Healers were some kind of Titan-created defense mechanism (recalling some members of their created races back from death's door), but which the Arthas (with Old God help ?) managed to corrupt by creating the Val'kyr?
Sintraedrien Dec 20th 2010 3:12AM
Oooohh! Me like!
Also, at BlizzCon, Metzen implied that they ("Blizzard") "Loves redemption stories". While not necessarily directly applicable to Sylvanus, or even the Horde, there is a what-if that can be tossed out for consideration.
Who on the Horde side can be "redeemed"?
Garrosh? He's a dishonorable war-mongering jack-@**, but not evil enough to "need" redemption.
Sylvanas? Evil enough that she NEEDS redemption, probably wouldn't take it on her own.
Voljin? Not evil, doesn't need redemption, needs to just one-shot Garrosh.
Baine? (RIP, beloved and honored Cairne) Evil? LOL.
Lorthemar? Who is he? Besides, the Sunwell already "redeemed" the Sindorei.
Although, it would be hilarious, because logically, now the Sindorei are "redeemed" already, there would be no huge reason for them to not join the Alliance, and I'm sure King Chin would love a new base and a "largely" intact force to help "contain" Lorderon, especially with the East Coast under the threat of Cho'Gall &ct.
Sintra E'Drien of the Ebon Blade, né Sindorei (formerly of the Horde, now only an ally of convenience)
Trueberry Dec 20th 2010 5:32AM
Well, there is a huge reason for the blood elves to not join the Alliance, actually, or more specifically three huge reasons.
1. From a blood elf POV, humans have, again and again, treated them like trash and even on purpose forced them into battles that would lead to their death.
2. From a human POV, blood elves are traitorus scum who will defect or switch allegiances when it's convenient.
3. From a night elf POV, the blood elves use of arcane magic will weaken reality, bring back the Burning Legion, and end all life (and undeath) on Azeroth. You may argue that humans, trolls, gnomes, draenei and a lot of other races, even the night elves themselves, use arcane magic but there is a difference there: the magic-users of other races are a small number of individuals, while the blood elf is a race where EVERYONE uses magic to some extent, and not only that but they are mostly gathered in a single place and not spread across nations, which means that reality weakens much easily in that place.
Yes, the blood elves are aware of this and yes, it is the magic used by humans, not by blood elves, that have been bringing in demons through holes in the fabric over the centuries, but who is gonna tell that to the night elves? I don't see humans telling them that "the blood elves are ok, it's our mages that are the threat here" and blood elves and night elves aren't exactly on speaking terms, they prefer to let swords and arrows do the talking. (Check the blood elf starting area if you don't believe me, the night elves attack on sight and without any provocation. I honestly wish we could get a little more night elf ruthless badassery back in the game. I miss the Tyrande that would kill other night elves that were only doing their duty if it was necessary. Then again, it was kinda treason not obeying her, but still.)
rukamich Dec 20th 2010 3:14AM
In a bizarre set of circumstances, the Tauren and Forsaken (and their lore) are my favorite races in Warcraft. I absolutely LOVE the turn Sylvanas and the Forsaken have taken in Cataclysm. It's a wonderful story/plot line in this new post-apocalyptic world, and one would have been foolish to assume that ALL of the alliances would be as strong as they were following the Lich King's death.
Now if only Baine Bloodhoof would rise up...
Michael Dec 20th 2010 3:38AM
I am surprised Tirion and the Argent Boys haven't hopped on this yet. The biggest undead capital in the entire Eastern Kingdoms is next door to his lands... The fight against the undead doesn't stop at the Lich King.
I say the Queen needs to be taken down a notch by the Argent Crusade.
Ata Dec 20th 2010 1:54PM
Tirion has many Undead within his ranks, and he -very well- understands that it's the actions of a person that dictate their worth and not the actions of their people. He knows full well that the Forsaken are not Scourge, which is what he fights. He doesn't fight rational people, he fights the mindless Scourge.
uncaringbear Dec 20th 2010 3:47AM
The soft glow of the monitor casts a shadow of a figure hunched over a keyboard. With a slight smile that could easily be mistaken as a grimace, Knaak ponders the situation.
"What to do with you, Sylvanas? What to do..."