I'm guessing that is in response to the heroic dungeons? I think it's a fair point, even though the hardcore elite constantly reply to that with "get a guild and do dungeons with them" and "l2pnub." I think both of those responses are shallow and don't quite get to the heart of the matter, which is that running heroics can be very frustrating for the casual player who isn't anchored to a good guild.

Running heroics aren't the first consideration of someone not anchored to a good guild, getting that anchor is.

Priorities. This is an MMO.

There is no group content, there is only team content.

Don't worry, by the time 4.1 comes out, we'll be back to our Wrath ways of zerging everything. Once people start getting epics and learning the strats, heroics get pretty trivial. Just today I tanked a H-VP where we didn't use CC and just AoE'd everything. True, I was being healed by a guildie and we were both wearing several pieces of raid loot, but the gear threshold for being able to ignore CC is a lot easier to reach than most people seem to think.

The best way to make your complain heard is cancel your account. Only when blizzards sees that their less-than-hardcore players (that are 90% of the paying customer base) are leaving in droves they are going to see that BC2.0 is a bad idea.

bdew, I'm very very not hardcore. Raiding is not my gig (if that's where you draw the "hardcore" line), but I AM a fan of a comfortable, healthy community. A community not poisoned by a large sum of people all "soloing in group content".

We should want each other. We shouldn't NEED each other, that's co-dependency, we should WANT each other. That's co-operation. You should WANT, and thus WANT to seek a group of your own. You should NOT feel "I don't need friends, I have the dungeon finder"... at least, not if you have goals any higher than regular dungeons (which is just fine, by the way).

WOTLK gave birth to, or at least gave rise to "you're not the boss of me", "I don't need you guys, I'll just queue again", and "gogogogo". These ideas DIE at cataclysm heroics, (which are, handily enough, the mandatory gateway to cataclysm raids) and thank everything decent that that's working as intended.

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Actually I have a wonderful guild and a decent skill threshold of my own. Even if I put heroics on the calendar, it would still take an hour for people to finish what they were doing, do the cooking daily, go bio or read their kids a bedtime story, etc. By then, we don't even have 3 hours for a heroic anymore anyway. I'm raid-ready myself, but it's a little slower for everyone else, since I'm just about the only active healer left.

So yay, heroics are great for other people, but what am I SUPPOSED to do with the time I do have, that I want to fritter away in an enjoyable manner? WoW doesn't provide anything for that anymore.

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My thoughts exactly. At current, I feel the game is much better now than it was at ANY POINT during WOTLK. I truly hope that Blizzard does not cave to the people who want to go back to the mindless AoE spam nonsense.

Prior to WOTLK, it felt like I actually accomplished something when I cleared an instance or raid with a group. Unless you were in a guild that was serious about hard modes, there was absolutely zero sense of accomplishment to anything in the last expansion.