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1-02-2011 @ 3:30PM
Usually I don't agree with the Crusade's doings but "It's Undead, no longer the life it remembers being, kill it."Is a policy I can get behind.Down with the Forsaken, Redeath to the Dark Lady.-Urdunai, Tauren Shaman
1-02-2011 @ 6:07PM
Work for Magatha, do you? It's so rare to see a tauren who embraces evil so openly as you.
1-02-2011 @ 7:02PM
Actually, Taurens have wanted to 'cure' the Forsaken but they're quite openly demonstrating in Cataclysm that they don't WANT to be cured. Their conquest and open use of the plague and devastation of land should be appalling to any Tauren sensibilities. And an undead is the reason an entire camp in Felwood which was once a horde outpost (mostly Tauren) are dead. A Tauren making an exception and hating the undead is entirely something that can fit their worldview and there's plenty of reason for hem to be horrified by what the Undead are doing. The Tauren were run out and almost made extinct by the centaurs...the Forsaken openly shout "Death to the living!" They don't say "Death to the Alliance". The Tauren have reason to have issue with this philosophy. They're the ones who work with night elves and draenei in the Earthen Ring and the Cenarian Circle. They, of all the Horde races, are the closest to finding the nature expressed by the Forsaken as horrifying. Heck, this is even shown in WOTLK where a Tauren grimly keeps an eye on the forsaken in Dragonblight. A Tauren thinking the Undead need to go? It is not 'embracing evil'. It's actually quite a natural thing for them to feel.
1-02-2011 @ 7:21PM
To the tauren, the undead are an abomination of the Earthmother and of life itself. Scars on the Earth and her children must be healed before they begin to fester and spread, but the Forsaken don't want to be healed. They've shown that they're anything but trustworthy as a whole, in fact they've proved time and time again that they revel in their festering and depravity.The Grimtotem on the other hand, view the Forsaken as allies, because Magatha does. Why, we don't know for certain, but I suspect it's something to do with their alchemical skills and the fact that she had been slowly poisoning Cairne. Perhaps the poison that finally took his life was crafted by a Forsaken Apothecary?A tauren who would like the Undead all killed is about as likely to be a Grimtotem as Varian is to kiss an orc. It's still a bit of a rebellious mindset (after all, even the Forsaken are the Earthmother's children, corrupt and deformed as they may be) but not entirely out of the realm of reason for a Tauren.
1-02-2011 @ 8:14PM
@Artificial - I am still waiting the Tauren to come to their collective senses and stop being evil and join the Alliance.
1-02-2011 @ 9:46PM
@ ArtificialUh, no. Magatha and the Grimtotem allied with the Forsaken and are in fact the ones implied to have manipulated the Forsaken into the Horde for whatever nefarious purpose.
1-02-2011 @ 11:18PM
May I suggest you check out the recruiters over at the SunWalkers booth...
1-02-2011 @ 11:57PM
@Fox, Anteia, et al.: I am aware of all that. This does not alter the fact that Alchemistmerlin is openly advocating the killing of innocents out of racial hatred. Yes, an undead was responsible for what happened in Felwood, at the Wrathgate, etc. But evil is still evil. A good person wants to bring *the people responsible* to justice. An evil person wants to wipe out all of the members of the race that those people belonged to. You don't kill innocents because another person who happened to look like them was guilty. I know, that's a hard concept for Alliance people to swallow, but it's the truth. Alchemistmerlin's post advocated straight-up evil. If you don't see that, you're as evil as him, I'm afraid.@Wolftech: They can't "stop being evil" to do that. In fact, it's only the Grimtotems that are siding with the Alliance in Cata zones, which makes perfect sense. The good tauren would never join an organization like the Alliance, they have far too much respect for life to descend to the kind of racial bigotry that permeates the Alliance. Alchemistmerlin excepted, of course.
1-03-2011 @ 12:01AM
Artificial:The undead are not, in fact, a race. The undead are a plague. Beings created by magical infection, willingly and purposefully infecting others.Viruses don't get to play the race card.
1-03-2011 @ 12:16AM
@Artificial: I enjoy the part where you chastise everybody for being racist bigots and stereotyping people based on their race, and then casually stereotype everybody in the Alliance as evil based on their race. Well played, sir! Well played!@Alchemistmerlin: "Viruses don't get the play the race card." Win. Pure win.
1-03-2011 @ 12:44AM
@xoxotl: It's the old saying, "turnabout is fair play". You can't very well engage in racial prejudice and then get mad when people turn it against you. One would hope you take my meaning here -- if it's unfair for me to call all Alliance members evil (which I didn't, actually, but I stepped right up to that line when I said "bigotry permeates the Alliance", true enough) because of the way some or even many act, then it's equally unfair for the Alliance to be doing the same. It gets frustrating to see comments like Alchemistmerlin's getting such a pass when they're "hey, lets wipe out an entire race", whereas the only thing that draws anyone's ire for stereotyping is my nowhere near as over the top "bigotry permeates the Alliance". "Hey, that kind of stereotyping is unfair... when it's applied to me! But the OP was fine..." *sigh*
1-03-2011 @ 3:20AM
I can definitely understand Tauren being appalled by the Forsaken. I also wonder how they manage to turn a blind eye to the wreckage and vileness that is spread by goblins wherever they go (I mean come on, strip mining? You think Earthmother approves of THAT?). How do they justify the rapid Orcan deforestation of the ancient forests of Ashenvale? Or hey, what do you think the Tauren think about the Orcs putting furbolgs in cages and leaving them there, like animals?I'm a proud Tauren. I'm also a proud Horde. But it's true, they're in denial about a lot of things. Now that Thrall is no longer acting warchief, what is the place for the Tauren in the Horde anymore?
1-03-2011 @ 5:17AM
@ Artificial:Big difference is that the leaders of any other race on Azeroth aren't openly calling for the wholesale slaughter (and rebirth as undead) of every living thing on the planet.Even the leaders of the Alliance that you hate so much has been willing to pursue peace with the Horde on several occasions. Sometimes it worked out, sometimes it didn't. But at least they understand the value of it.There's only one other faction who openly calls for the indiscriminate death of all living things: the Twilight Hammers. And they're considered enemies of every sane sentient on the planet.
1-03-2011 @ 8:46AM
Hey Mon, Have more respect for ya Horde brothas and sistas, I know da Forsaken are darka din da rest of us, but dey still our allies. And da Forsaken as a whole fully support and would die for da Horde. The Dark Lady herself just be have a hard time copin' with da new found power she havin'. But don't worry Mon, Hellscream, Vol'jin and da other leadas of da Horde will keep her in check.
1-05-2011 @ 7:49PM
F you assholeFor The Forsaken!!! For the Dark Lady!!oh yea.. Fuck Garrosh!
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