Ol' Grumpy's guide to player reeducation

Sometimes the problem is you. (Sometimes, it's even me. I know you're shocked.)
If you've been playing WoW for a while, one fact is indisputable. You learned how to play your class or role by playing. It is in groups that we learn our toolkits, how to perform our role properly, and each dungeon or raid we run not only teaches us how to run that dungeon or raid but gives us the context we need to tackle new content down the road. We learn by doing, and moreover, we learn by interacting with our groups, be they guild runs or pickup groups. PUGs can be hard schools, but they're invaluable in jogging you out of your comfort zone and getting you to think about what you do and why.
If you think of your instance runs as where you go to farm a quick batch of justice or valor points, you're part of the problem.
You are there to learn and even to teach.
You are there to work together with four other people you may or may not even know. You are there to share knowledge, to help the group succeed, to learn skills you'll need later, and to help other people learn them. While some people will always have better reflexes than others, the general difficulty of even current heroics is not so great that a group cannot succeed even doing things with a brute force approach, trying to smash down every pull. What group coordination and information sharing can accomplish is to make it all much easier, take less mana on the part of your healer, and train everyone (including you, no matter who you are and what your role is) to do things more efficiently and with less downtime.

Part of the problem
Modern heroics are designed to effectively cause a good group to reeducate its members. When game design changes, it's the players, not the designers, who do the work of teaching each other what to do. If you're not willing to learn (no matter how awesome you think you are) and not willing to teach, then you're not helping the group succeed. That's what it all comes down to.
If you think you're too good to do either one of these things, then don't queue. You're not helping. It doesn't matter how well geared you are, how long you've been playing, or how awesome your numbers are, if you decide to be a drag on the group by not listening to what others share with you or not sharing what you yourself know. If you're going to get impatient, slag everyone off and leave the group in a huff, you just wasted everyone's time, including your own.
Right now, we're all learning. We're all teaching. If you can do either of these, you can get through a PUG. It's that simple.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
rdakotab Jan 3rd 2011 4:05PM
Here! Here!
Asmor Jan 3rd 2011 4:28PM
It's "Hear! Hear!"
Aruhgulah Jan 3rd 2011 4:38PM
Hare Hare!
omedon666 Jan 3rd 2011 4:43PM
"Jooorrrrbbb!"
Sorry, I don't know why, but this comment thread made me think of Coach Z.
Felix_NZ Jan 3rd 2011 6:49PM
Hare! Hare!.... oh you missed it, it ran away...
Mep Jan 3rd 2011 4:05PM
My biggest pet peeve is when a player leaves after the boss they want... uuuuuugh that's so annoying.
Mep Jan 3rd 2011 4:14PM
Also, some advice I've noticed is that giving out compliments to people for doing the right thing, no matter how basic it seems is definitely a good help. I'm a shaman, and the other night I hexed a mob that was beating up on our healer... after wards the whole group thanked me for being on top of the CC... to me, a "Since Vanilla beta" player, this is second nature, but still felt good as my hex button has been relatively unused for the last year and a half.
phoenixblight Jan 3rd 2011 4:53PM
I have actually done the same thing only with MC(shadow Priest) and the group did the opposite. They chewed me out because I wasn't dpsing.
Mep Jan 3rd 2011 5:38PM
There are some occasions when MC is useful because some of those mobs hit REALLY hard... but it's not always the best option... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you knew what you were doing.
Zanthexter Jan 3rd 2011 7:30PM
Keeping a mob from eating the healers face seems to be a "Good Plan".
Kinda hard to keep your DPS if you are dead ya know....
Sleutel Jan 3rd 2011 7:47PM
Best: Healer leaves after the boss they want but makes sure to wait until the second after I pull a giant pack of trash.
phoenixblight Jan 3rd 2011 9:20PM
It was one of the Runecasters in Halls, that the tank had broken sheep and was going right for the healer. I saw this and used MC. I thought it would save us from wiping and it did but the group specifically the tank still chewed me out.
Nitride Jan 3rd 2011 4:14PM
All the problems with various players in Heroics is why I am power-leveling a worgen mage instead of smashing things with my DK tank.
Yes I can insta-queue Heroics as a tank, but I refuse to, making your wait times longer until you figure out what CC means and wait for the Tank to start a pull instead of your pet/minion.
Nitride Jan 3rd 2011 4:16PM
Also, please, get some fear-breaking trinket (even if its supposed to be for PvP). OR learn what your "interrupt" spells are.
It's not the Tank's fault you ran off into a mob that was previoudly ignoring you because you were fear'd with no way to break (or prevent) it.
Zalaron Jan 3rd 2011 4:49PM
So as a healer with no interrupts its my fault that the tank did not pull the group away when there was a mob that Fears? Good to know!
Moeru Jan 3rd 2011 5:07PM
I think you're embracing the same attitude they're trying to discourage in here. Dungeons are becoming more like mini-raids, more so than in BC, and that means more than just 'smashing through' stuff.
Also the fact that you 'power level' gives me, personally, the impression you'd rather get to 85 quickly without learning effectively your class through practice than to have fun doing it, so you can get into dungeons quickly.
Astoreth Jan 3rd 2011 5:27PM
Refusing to tank/heal "until people learn to DPS" is like taking away someone's bike until they learn to ride. No one learns to be a better player in dungeons by sitting in a queue.
I'm not arguing with your ultimate decision not to tank -- if you'd rather be a mage, go be a mage. But as a tank, as said elsewhere, this attitude makes you part of the problem.
gastin Jan 3rd 2011 6:14PM
and you could always help them in game instead of on here. you certainly dont seem the type to drop group right after something like that happens. ;)
MusedMoose Jan 3rd 2011 7:20PM
I've got this radical, way-out-there idea. No, don't leave, hear me out, it might be worth it. Here goes:
If you need someone to CC, or not pull, or do something so things don't get screwed up... TELL THEM. I doubt you're doing PUGs with telepaths, and nobody instinctively knows what to do in every dungeon situation. It's sad to see that this article's entire point has been lost on you.
Now, if you try to tell someone that you need them to CC a mob or to stop pulling, and they say something like "STFU AND TANK NOOB", then yeah, they're an ass and they deserve to be kicked into the world's longest queue. But if you get mad at people for not doing what you couldn't even be bothered to tell them? Then *you* are just as much part of the problem as they are.
Rob Jan 4th 2011 9:35AM
One word: Patience.
I'm actually leveling a Tankadin. I'm learning the class, learning the spec, and learning the role. So, I go slower, I am more conservative with my pulls, but I'm also trying desperately not to screw something up.
What I don't appreciate is some random DPSer telling me to "pick things up". Especially after I point out the above. A little patience and encouragement go a long way, and frankly, we need tanks, so you shouldn't be greifing on them at all, it will just cause there to be fewer tanks, which is a problem for everyone.
Oh, and stop linking Recount stats to party chat. It just shows that you're a complete jerk. No one links Recount when they're at the bottom.