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1-12-2011 @ 2:41PM
Is there any reason to believe that Baine or Cairne would have been able to defeat Garrosh in combat?I didn't read the shattering, but I'd be interested to see who is actually stronger from a lore standpoint. Garrosh seems pretty unstoppable, as I always looked at Thrall as being the single strongest being in the horde, and Garrosh apparently was on his way to beating him in one on one combat. (I say so because of his abilities in various quest, between summoning hurricanes, obliterating people with lightning, and holding pieces of the planet together.) And I don't see Garrosh losing his throne anymore. While he did a lot of questionable things in WOTLK, I think he's showed a lot of maturity in Cataclysm, the Stonetalon quest chain in particular (If you are horde and hate Garrosh, I highly recommend doing it, I bet it will change your opinion on him, it did mine. )
1-12-2011 @ 2:46PM
Cairne was beating Garrosh into the dirt until Garrosh wounded him slightly and the poison took effect. A pretty one sided thrashing, too.
1-12-2011 @ 2:56PM
I did read The Shattering, and my recollection of the Cairne/Garrosh fight as presented in the book was that Cairne would probably have won if it weren't for the poisoning. Garrosh, of course, had advantages of speed and strength because of his much younger age, but in the book Cairne is presented as having more skill. But some people might disagree with this assessment of what the book presented. The book doesn't state it outright. This is just my impression of how it was written.As to a Baine v. Garrosh fight, there's nothing that I recall in The Shattering that would tell us who would win that fight.
1-12-2011 @ 3:05PM
Cairne was virtually toying with Garrosh in their arena combat. He played on Garrosh's impetuousness and left him to take rash actions while he evaded all attacks and was surprisingly (to Garrosh) quick and agile enough to parry and counter-attack. It was only the slightest nick from Garrosh's poisoned axe that downed Cairne.One assumes that Baine would have followed the same strategy, and one would also assume that Garrosh would as well...no matter how much he has "reformed" after Cairne's death, he's still a hothead and would have seen red if Baine had challenged him.
1-12-2011 @ 3:51PM
Ah, so Garrosh's downfall was his lack of patience. That makes sense, even if Garrosh is technically more talented or stronger/more agile, I guess his lack of patience would make it pretty one sided against somebody who is wise.
1-12-2011 @ 4:03PM
Garrosh may be stronger, but his experience in actual combat comes down to a handful of duels, whereas Baine (and Cairne) spent years battling various threats.Garrosh may bring the War, they bring the Craft.
1-12-2011 @ 8:39PM
Though, for all the poisoning, in the end Garrosh did break Cairne's spear and strike a mortal blow. It wasn't as if he went down from a tiny nick shrieking 'Oh the poison, the terrible poison!' with green foam on his lips.
1-12-2011 @ 9:36PM
It does seem like they are trying to evolve Garrosh's character into someone more fit to lead the horde. That said, I like the faction leaders who aren't always level headed and who have questionable motives. You can't have good fiction without conflict and the more conflict, the better.
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