Drama Mamas: The case of the gold-selling guildie

I received the gift of massive drama for the holidays, which is why we went on an unscheduled hiatus. But that hiatus ends now. The promised roundup post will be next week, which means there is still time to get us the results of a letter we answered should you wish to be included. Just drop us an email at DramaMamas@wowinsider.com.
In the meantime, we have what this week's letter writer calls a "dilly of a pickle."
Dear Drama Mamas,
I have a situation in my guild that I could use your advice on. I am a senior officer in my guild, and some troubling news came to my attention a few days ago. It seems that one of my guild members is selling gold in real life. He's been using guildies' cool downs and the other guildies' professions to make items to sell on the AH. Originally, I thought it was to make items for himself, but that turned out to be false. The dilemma is that he's been in the guild for a while. He was an original member, then left, and came back about 4 months back. The other thing is that he's not selling the gold on a website. He's selling it to his real life friends because he's on work disability and his disability money will not allow him to play WoW, so he supplements his income by selling his WoW gold.
Thank you.
There are plenty of reasons this situation stinks:
- It sounds as if the guildies whose cooldowns and crafting time are being used may be in the dark about what their efforts are actually funding.
- It wouldn't be hard to raise $15/month. Where's the extra money going, and how does your disabled guildie rationalize that part of the equation?
- You have a guild to run, and encouraging anything sheisty is extremely counterproductive to the health of the guild.
- How long is this gonna go on, anyway?
Taking advantage of your guildmates for profit is downright sleazy. Even if they're aware and willing, selling gold is against the game's Terms of Service. And then you have the feelings of anyone who's participating but perhaps reluctantly, or anyone who's heard about it and disapproves. Don't condone this; it's a time bomb of anger waiting to blow up in your face.
Game time's cheap. If this guy's earned the kind of real-life guild rep and loyalty you seem to feel is there, why not just make an effort to round up some game cards for the guy?
- My first reaction: Eep! He's disabled! Does that make this okay?
- My second reaction: "Work disability" = short-term disability = he's recovering from an injury or illness and most likely has his job and a return to prosperity to look forward to in the very near future.
- My next reaction: It's only 15 bucks a month.
- My final reaction: Even if he is disabled for life, it still doesn't make it right to abandon ethics and morals.
Of course, if we misinterpreted the letter and the guildies are consenting to have their cooldowns used for his profit, it does change things a bit. If he's been up front about that, he's not really harming the guild with his abuse of the Terms of Service. I'm not saying you should condone the gold selling, but if he's just selling it to friends and not supporting the hacking sites -- well, he's really only causing his account potential harm. I would still ask him to stop or leave the guild, but you're not really going to be able to prove he stopped if he stays. It really doesn't sound like he has the guildies' consent, however.
Justice is really the best way to prevent drama in a guild. And injustice (perceived or real) is the best way to cause it. I'm all for taking a collection for the guy (in game cards as Lisa suggests, not cash). But separately, I think he has to be given the ultimatum to stop both the exploiting and the goldselling, or he will need to leave the guild.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
Sylvina Jan 14th 2011 3:07PM
Why not just report him to Blizzard as a confirmed gold seller? It leaves you free of any confrontation and it all goes into Blizzard's lap. :o
ambermist Jan 14th 2011 3:29PM
Because passing your problems to someone else is not something a good leader does.
Josin Jan 14th 2011 3:36PM
A good leader WILL take issues up the chain of command, though. In this case, Blizzard's the top of the chain.
Shiggs Jan 14th 2011 3:53PM
If I didn't like the guy, i would jsut report him.
Beli Jan 14th 2011 3:56PM
A good leader will take the time to talk to the person about the issue first, before escalating it. Talk to him, let him know it's not OK. If he keeps doing it, then feel free to escalate it as needed.
Shiggs Jan 14th 2011 3:56PM
Just*
If he was a friend, I would donate him a 3-mo game card. Just as long as he was looking for a work at home job he could do from his PC. There are plenty out there...
AGx07162 Jan 14th 2011 4:47PM
He would have to be a friend of mine, otherwise I would report him.
Mike Jan 14th 2011 4:51PM
Can't say that I agree with this. I wouldn't go to my lieutenant and tell them this private is sleeping on watch. I would slap the private and tell him to stop sleeping on watch.
Either way. It seems to me like you have 4 choices.
1. You decide to condone it.
2. You ask him to stop using the guild's cooldowns, etc for personal business and take up a collection to help him get some game time.
3. You ask him to stop using the guild's cooldowns, etc for personal business. Where he finds the game time is his business.
4. You boot him for being shady about the whole thing.
Pick one and go with it, but don't push the responsibility to someone else. Be a man (or woman) and tell them yourself.
Fingal Jan 14th 2011 9:02PM
Seems like this could be looked at another way.
He plays the AH for his friends who don't have time or interest in such things and gives them the money. In turn they donate time for him to play.
It's not like he's selling gold to strangers, spamming gchat or trade.
So, I only see a problem here if he's using people's CDs who aren't in the loop, and those people would use their CDs for other things (personal profit or more importantly - guild progression)
For example, I rarely use my Alchemy CDs. If a guildie wanted them for whatever reason they'd be welcome to them.
Superthrust Jan 15th 2011 12:25AM
The way i see it, Like i have actually had to do in the past is this.
The gold is a favor / benefit of paying another person's wow time. Like, say Jack has no wow time, and i pay his wow time. I, later on, want to buy a mechanohog. He gives me 10k gold to buy it. Why? I gave him wow time.
And there is such thing has permanent disability. I was temp-disabled and my dad is permanently. We were in a car accident with some drunk drivers a long time ago, and due to that, my work choices are slim, and his are none. And let me tell you another thing...the gov does NOT pay a whole lot for disabled folk. My dad's check wont even cover half a month of rent in most, if not all places. And that's for a whole month.
Solitha Jan 17th 2011 4:32AM
@Stella
"In a sense, Blizzard are selling gold too by the back door. Let's say the Celestial Steed were available in game for 10,000 gold, or £20 from a website. In that case, buying it from Blizzard for £20 is the same as paying £20 for 10,000 gold, which is gold buying (at ripoff prices!), so it's difficult to come down too hard on Wow players who buy gold when Blizzard is trying to get a slice of the same market too."
So let's make up a scenario that isn't actual reality, then say Blizz is bad for doing it. Wait, what?
guardianaj Jan 14th 2011 3:09PM
once again the ole addage about not lending money (directly or indirectly) to friends or family comes to mind. it always ends up bad.
Boocat Jan 14th 2011 5:20PM
It migt be just me, but if it gets out that someone in your guild is selling gold it might look pretty bad for the guild. Also there are ton of other things a person can do to make extra cash besides selling gold in WoW and more of it as well.
Celldweller Jan 14th 2011 3:11PM
I've been selling gold to real life friends for a long time, although I never offer it in guild chat for just this reason. It is against the TOS but as a house husband I like to provide at least some extra income and it helps out my buddies that have less play time than myself. I'd just kindly tell him to keep the selling private and out of guild chat and to be honest (as they have mentioned here) about what he's using the CDs for.
I know if I'm in a guild run and others need on an orb, I pass. Simply cause I don't 'need' it, it's just there for some extra gold / money. The guy just sounds overly greedy to be putting his 'needs' above everyone elses but it's hard to say what he's spending the money on.
Celldweller Jan 14th 2011 4:38PM
Judging from the amount of downrating, it seems that most people fail to understand that a conversation requires both sides to give input. I didn't say anything negative or flame anyone, just throwing in my two cents. Just because someone has a different opinion than yourself doesn't make them wrong.
Robin Torres Jan 14th 2011 4:43PM
I could be wrong, but I think you were downrated for admitting to gold-selling.
Celldweller Jan 14th 2011 4:46PM
Well then I think it's time for me to remove wow.joystiq.com from my RFF since it's odviously not net neutrality friendly and isn't a forum for open discussion, just a bandwagon of people who don't want to see the whole picture. Thanks for all the past articles.
Sorry for the double post, it didn't auto reply for some reason.
Robin Torres Jan 14th 2011 4:50PM
Um, the readers downrated you, not WoW Insider.
Portals Jan 14th 2011 5:00PM
aww...goin to run away cuz someone doesn't like you? QQ
Sunaseni Jan 14th 2011 5:12PM
"Net Neutrality."
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.