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1-14-2011 @ 3:11PM
I've been selling gold to real life friends for a long time, although I never offer it in guild chat for just this reason. It is against the TOS but as a house husband I like to provide at least some extra income and it helps out my buddies that have less play time than myself. I'd just kindly tell him to keep the selling private and out of guild chat and to be honest (as they have mentioned here) about what he's using the CDs for. I know if I'm in a guild run and others need on an orb, I pass. Simply cause I don't 'need' it, it's just there for some extra gold / money. The guy just sounds overly greedy to be putting his 'needs' above everyone elses but it's hard to say what he's spending the money on.
1-14-2011 @ 4:38PM
Judging from the amount of downrating, it seems that most people fail to understand that a conversation requires both sides to give input. I didn't say anything negative or flame anyone, just throwing in my two cents. Just because someone has a different opinion than yourself doesn't make them wrong.
1-14-2011 @ 4:43PM
I could be wrong, but I think you were downrated for admitting to gold-selling.
1-14-2011 @ 4:46PM
Well then I think it's time for me to remove wow.joystiq.com from my RFF since it's odviously not net neutrality friendly and isn't a forum for open discussion, just a bandwagon of people who don't want to see the whole picture. Thanks for all the past articles.Sorry for the double post, it didn't auto reply for some reason.
1-14-2011 @ 4:50PM
Um, the readers downrated you, not WoW Insider.
1-14-2011 @ 5:00PM
aww...goin to run away cuz someone doesn't like you? QQ
1-14-2011 @ 5:12PM
"Net Neutrality."You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
1-14-2011 @ 5:14PM
I know what it means, it means I've already received a message stating I've been reported. Meaning that they used information sent over their website.
1-14-2011 @ 5:27PM
He seems to be confused as to the difference between supporting net neutrality and tolerating gold selling. I suspect many people here join me in being pretty hep to the former, not so much to the latter.All non F2P MMOs have a pact with their users that the monthly subscription fee is all the cash outlay you need to excel in the game. (Riding a sparklepony != excelling at WoW.) Gold selling violates that pact: all other things being equal, the person who buys gold has a meaningful in-game advantage over the person who does not. When you sell gold, even if you earned that gold yourself "legitimately" rather than through exploiting, you are creating unfair conditions on your server. I think this is why people want to vote you down.
1-14-2011 @ 5:28PM
so "they" are out to get you huh? despite the fact you publicly admit you have been breaking the TOS and have finally been caught, you still think that the writers of this blog had anything to do with it? paranoid much?also, you definitely have no idea what "net neutrality" means. i would look it up if i was you...
1-14-2011 @ 5:31PM
1-14-2011 @ 5:33PM
Yeah, you still don't know what "net neutrality" means. Look it up. While you're at it, look up "Terms of Service" and "ethics".
1-14-2011 @ 5:40PM
Net neutrality is about the free flow of information through different comanpies' servers. Pfft.
1-14-2011 @ 5:46PM
Terms of Service and Ethics? Have you ever let a friend make a character, if only to try the game for a few minutes? You broke ToS, have you ever used a name that was loosely based upon a historical character? You broke ToS. Have you ever gave someone ingame gold? That can be seen as a ToS break.The fact that Blizzard doesn't punish every single person is their choice, but I don't see how helping out real life friends and me being able to afford to give my wife a present that isn't bought with her money is bad. If I was to sell to a website, yeah that's bad, but basically giving a friend some gold isn't. Anyhow, I've had my fun trolling for the moment, you guys need to learn to think about all the sides and not just live in your black and white lives. Nothing is simply black and white.
1-14-2011 @ 5:49PM
>>since it's odviously not net neutrality friendly
1-14-2011 @ 6:04PM
You know what this situation calls for?A tin foil hat.
1-14-2011 @ 6:28PM
Wow. It's nice to know there are MULTIPLE aspects of the law you are completely ignorant about. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
1-14-2011 @ 6:30PM
Throwing in my own 2p I'd like to:a) Support Celldweller in his comment "a conversation requires both sides to give input".b) Suggest that the most important part of every discussion is finding out *why* people do as they do.Only a very, very tiny minority of people do harmful things because they enjoy being harmful. The vast majority of people either don't see the full impact of their actions, or believe that they are making an overall non-harmful set of actions. This last point is phrased in a slightly confusing way, so to clarify I am talking about people who do the "lesser of two evils", or talk themselves into thinking "it isn't all that bad really".Conclusion: Celldweller, please take note of *why* people are giving for downrateing you. I think you're in a worse position than you think you are. Everyone else, please don't dismiss Celldweller so quickly. He has a very valid point of view, and learning from his point of view will give the rest of us better verbal armaments against other casual gold-sellers.
1-14-2011 @ 8:21PM
Cell, ol' chap, this calls for a switch to a new MMO, DC Universe Online. You'd make an excellent Captain Panic./popcorn
1-14-2011 @ 10:33PM
Captain Panic happens to be a personal hero of mine, I may just take you up on that. On a side note, net neutering is still wrong.
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