All the World's A Stage: So Sue me

All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. In World of Warcraft, that player is you! Each week, Anne Stickney brings you All the World's a Stage with helpful hints, tips and tricks on the art of roleplay in WoW.
Of all the various topics among roleplayers, none is quite as cringe-worthy as the Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is a character who is just too good to be true -- no flaws to be found, undeniably amazing according to the author, and generally seen as nothing more than a self-insertion of what the author wishes he or she could be. The term actually originates from fan fiction, but it has leeched its way into the RP community as well.
The inherent flaw in playing Mary Sues is that they are "too perfect" -- they lack any flaws and thus lack any realism whatsoever. So how do you know if you have a Mary Sue? What does a Mary Sue look like? What are the qualities of that kind of character? And more importantly -- how can you avoid making one when you're developing a character for RP? It's all about rooting your character in lore in a way that isn't over the top and keeping your character's traits realistic.

The first tip off that people attribute to a character being a Mary Sue is being attractive beyond all reason. When you are writing out your character description, it's tempting to not only make your character gorgeous but to write out every single last detail of their sparkling eyes, winsome smile and heaving ... attributes. This is entirely unnecessary for the purpose of RP. Sure, make your character attractive, but describing every last detail makes it appear as though you're wallowing in how perfect your character is.
And that's exactly what sets people off -- it's not just the fact that there is a Mary Sue present, it's the general conception that Mary Sue characters are created solely for the purpose of rubbing people's noses in how wonderful their character is. When you're writing your character description, whether it be outside of game, or using an RP addon to make it public, try to keep an objective stance on your character.
By that, I mean don't get invested in making a character that everyone's going to instantly fall in love with. Let's look at this from a realistic standpoint. In game, all character avatars look pretty much the same. People aren't going to be keeping that description in mind too overly much when they are talking to you; they are going to be paying attention to what it is your character has to say (unless, of course, they're looking for an entirely different kind of roleplay). Before you write that eight-page soliloquy triumphantly exclaiming over the virtues of your character's glorious buttocks, ask yourself what exactly you're hoping to get out of revealing that to other characters.
The ironic part of a Mary Sue is that whoever created that character made them that way so that everyone would love them, yet by doing so, they've guaranteed that their character is anything but loved by the players around them. What Sue authors fail to realize is that conflict and clashes between characters are not only common, but also part of what makes playing that character exciting. Don't get hung up on making everyone love you; concentrate on making that character interesting for his own merits instead of interesting based on something as shallow as appearance.

Another tip-off to potential Mary Sues is that they are somehow related to major characters in lore. Some people say that there are lore characters themselves that are Mary Sues, but that's kind of a fallacy in thinking. An author writing a work for pay isn't really writing a Mary Sue, because it's not fan fiction -- it's a universe of his or her own making. Can author-created characters be self-indulgent? Absolutely. Can author-created characters be self-insertions? Oh, you bet they can. The difference between self-insertion and a Mary Sue lies in whom the original author of that universe is.
It's a little tricky to understand, but the best way to frame it is that the author is writing the character into the lore. By doing so, he is rooting that character in the lore of the universe he created. A Mary Sue, on the other hand, is an author outside of that universe who isn't writing a piece of lore so much as a wishful "gosh, I wish this could happen!" view of that established world. When someone who isn't the author takes liberties with characters that author has created, that's where the Mary Sue label comes into play.
When you are creating a character, it's important to look at whom that character could realistically be related to. Taking a character and saying it is the illegitimate child of Kael'thas and Sylvanas the Banshee Queen is absurd -- those two characters have no established relationship to each other in existing lore and timeline, so there's no way they could have a child. Saying your character is related to some small NPC in town, though -- that's entirely possible, because there hasn't really been any established lore written surrounding those characters.
So yes, you can fit your character in as a relative of someone in game, but there are a couple things you want to keep in mind when you do it. First off, has there been any established canon written about that NPC? If so, do your research and figure out whether or not your idea fits within the lore. If not, go ahead and make a distant cousin to the bread vendor in Ironforge. Secondly, what does making your character a relation of an NPC actually do for your character? If there's nothing there to further your story, you may want to just cut it out entirely.

It is tempting to make your character powerful beyond all reason, incredibly smart, immortal, or otherwise "special" in relation to other characters. But think about that for a minute -- if you start off with a character who is perfect and play his perfect life in which nothing bad can ever happen, what's the point of playing that character? If your character is already a demigod at level 1, what's the point of traveling around the world? If your character is always going to win a fight, what's the point of even fighting in the first place?
RP is all about conflict, and characters that are too "perfect" lack any kind of conflict, other than the vague sense of irritation other players feel at having to interact with them. A character with no faults has nothing to strive for, nothing to accomplish. You have to think of a character not only in the dynamic of RP, but the dynamic of storytelling. Good books follow the same basic format of exposition (the basic introduction of a character and situation), conflict (whatever is preventing that character from getting what they desire), and resolution (the point at which that conflict is resolved).
The difference between a book and RP, or even a book and life, is that that basic format is cyclical. Once one conflict has been resolved, another emerges. After that, another emerges, and so on and so on until the point that the character dies. So how does this all fit in with special characters? A character with no disadvantages has no conflict. With no conflict, there's no resolution, no peak to the story, no further conflict. You already know everything is going to work out all right in the end, so there's no excitement.
The urge to make a character extraordinary right off the bat is a big one, but the best authors out there take the opposite tack -- the character itself is ordinary, but the situations surrounding that character are extraordinary ones. Take The Hobbit, for example. A small town character living a very normal life in their universe is suddenly confronted with a situation so extraordinary that that character must rise to the occasion and deal with it. Or Harry Potter -- another normal person, in this case a young boy, who has an extraordinary situation thrust upon him.
When you're tempted to make an extraordinary character with some sort of grand, perfect life, think about instead reversing the situation. After all, in Warcraft, we all start from level 1 in a relatively ordinary setting, and as time goes on and we continue questing our way to 85, it's the situations around us that get more extraordinary over time. It's not about being a hero to begin with; it's about rising up to the challenge and becoming that hero as a result of your actions.

The urge to take your character and make him into the most perfect, incredible example of a night elf or orc or dwarf imaginable is a strong one. But once you've made that powerhouse of a description and that gigantic tangle of backstory, in reality, you've got very little left to play with. My suggestion for beginner roleplayers is to keep it simple. Don't get too cluttered with the details, because those details will ultimately bog you down and may get you into a situation you simply can't play with.
The less you put out there, the more reason other characters have to interact with you. Instead of having to keep a billion and a half nitpicking details about your character in mind, it leaves you free to just concentrate on the RP at hand. The simpler you keep your story, the more you have to work with over time and the less you have to worry about writing yourself into a corner that you can't get out of. Don't get so caught up in the details that you're swept away with your character's perfection -- otherwise, you may see the Sue label applied to yourself.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Saeadame Jan 16th 2011 8:13PM
Another thing - I don't know how much it happens in RP but it happens a lot in fanfiction - giving your character a flaw doesn't make it not a Mary Sue if it has all the other characteristics of a Mary Sue. Your beautiful, powerful, perfect character who just happens to be forgetful is no less a Mary Sue than someone else's beautiful, powerful perfect character who has no discernible flaws.
Iano Jan 16th 2011 8:49PM
I gotta say, here, I disagree, and I think your statement misses much of the point of this article.
An absolutely beautiful, charming, beloved IDIOT of a dumb-blonde isn't a Mary Sue.
That Sorcerer who made a demonic pact for power- and is now ugly as SIN- that's not really a Mary Sue, to me, either.
I think the character you describe still CAN be a Mary Sue, but even a single flaw can defuse the whole Mary Sue bit quite well.
For me, it's all about sources of potential conflict- a perfect character will always take the right course, always know what to do to beat the bad guy, and will never look bad doing it. That's no fun. It isn't even about the number of flaws- it's about the prominence.
Characters just need some balance- in fan-fic and RP- it reminds me of old Live-action role-play games, where different attributes had point values assigned to them. It costs 3 points to be superhumanly strong, for example, but if you take that attribute, you have to balance the score back to 0- by, say, having a colossal weakness in the back of your heel. XD
Saeadame Jan 16th 2011 8:55PM
I guess to me it just depends on the flaw. Superficial flaws, like being forgetful or, say, clumsy don't really change anything about a character in a real sense, especially if the flaw is just being inserted in an effort to make a character "not a Mary Sue". If being forgetful is something that really affects the character - they're very bothered by the fact that they can't remember things in their life or people's names or whatever - that's a bit different. If someone's ugliness is something they're self-conscious about, it's also quite different than someone creating what is basically a Mary Sue, but then saying "but I have a nasty scar on my face..." and then them ignoring the "scar" completely in that its effect on their appearance doesn't affect their personality at all.
Tribunal Jan 16th 2011 11:37PM
Agree, completely.
Too many people give their characters an over-the-top dramatic flaw and think it saves them completely.
Or too often their "big flaw" is 98% of what makes them a Sue (think Wesley Crusher's attempt to enter Starfleet and failing the test).
A Sue is a too-perfect character that is some self-inseretion for the author (or designed to be that for the reader). Being an orphan, or a non-magical person in a magical world, or the only part orc-draenei-human (who's rejected for that, mind you!) in no way saves them.
Sue is a case-by-case basis. There are no hard and fast rules. And it bothers some people more than others, etc.
aaronthecow Jan 17th 2011 1:33AM
I have written into my lore a crazed, yet beautiful and skilled gnomish mage (A), who is ever jealous of her 'best friend'(B) for winning the attention of an Arcane Arts school, now, my question is; Would (A) be considered a Mary Sue? I mean, she is beautiful and skilled, but she also has the 'flaw' of being crazed, aswell as apparently not being so skilled as to gather the attention of the Arcane school?
Killik Jan 17th 2011 5:52AM
"Crazed" covers a lot of ground, from being a ranting maniac to just acting a little intense sometimes. So "crazed" doesn't really say that much. Jealousy is an excellent trait you can work with though.
I think a good example is the classic tragic hero - an amazing person with one character flaw that has the potential to destroy everything they strive to achieve.
Haro Jan 17th 2011 6:36AM
Actually, being clumsy can be a pretty large flaw, if toyed with smartly. Just think of a Jar-Jar-esque clumsiness.
Mary Sue isn't terrible in itself, it's just a noticeable sympthom of bad writing, because a Mary Sue almost inevitably invites god-modding canon characters to gravitate around her.
My Mary Sue test is "if you are so awesome, what were you doing while the canon characters were saving the world in the canon story?".
Lux Jan 17th 2011 6:59AM
Killik I like how you bring up classic heroes. The more powerful and perfect the person the more damaging their flaws. Narcissus is a good example of a super humanly beautiful person destroyed by a personality flaw. Personally I feel that when you are RPing it is better not to write much of an in game description of your looks. Just stick to some vital statistics such as height, weight, color of their eyes/hair given in a short list. Keep it simple and try to make connections and flesh out your story with others in game while talking.
Dakos Jan 17th 2011 11:42AM
The problem with clumsiness as a flaw is that, inevitably, the Mary Sue RPer controls when it 'kicks in' so to speak. In a situation where it wouldn't matter, or would be fortuitous, it will go off all the time, like dropping something during a social RP in town, or tripping and falling during a fight at just the right moment to avoid an otherwise unavoidable attack. In a situation where the clumsiness would mean something, like during a 'fight for life' situation, or a chase scene, the flaw is always completely forgotten. This is, actually, the problem with typical Mary Sue flaws in general; most Mary Sue characters ignore whatever flaws they add in, unless the flaw benefits them in some way at that moment. Mary Sue isn't just in the character itself, it's in the execution of that character.
While it is alright if you are attractive, or are among the best in your field at something, or have done work directly with the major canon characters in the world (I mean, if you are level 85 without having taken and performed at least one quest that involves a faction leader, you've been questing in all the wrong zones) the problem arises when those background and cosmetic factors overshadow your character actually having a real personality. If after an RP, the only thing you remember about a character is that they are in the top percentile of Shadow Priests, they have item level 400 epic breasts, and that Sylvanas is their older sister, that is a Mary Sue. That same character is not a Mary Sue if you encounter them, and find that their lisping speech and outrageous conspiracy theories about the Argent Dawn are what you remember after the RP is over.
furrama Jan 17th 2011 12:30PM
@ Haro (sorta)
First, I'm going to apply Mary Sue-ism to all major works instead of just limiting it to fanfiction. Those of us who read narrative a lot almost have to in order to better identify bad character design. It's just too juicy a descriptive to pass up.
Clumsy can be a good flaw, but adding flaws to a Mary Sue just makes them a Mary Sue with flaws. It's like having a Zoolander character who's only flaw is being ridiculously good looking. Lets take a look at one of the best Mary Sue's in popular literature at this time.
Bella Swan.
The only (intended) flaw or negative characteristic her author really gave to her was... being clumsy. But she's still a Sue through and through simply because the entire world revolves around her character for no good reason. She just trips once in a while, and it adds nothing to anything.
I would like to refer you to here for my favorite tips for avoiding the Sue Blues: http://droemar.deviantart.com/journal/31026231
Arrowsmith Jan 16th 2011 8:33PM
Anne, while I do understand your distinction between characters written by official authors and characters written by the rest of us, there unfortunately ARE times when a character written by an official author comes off as so ridiculous and so over-the-top that the best thing to call them is a Mary Sue.
Exhibit A - Bella Swan.
But thank you for this lovely and informative article? Now to go figure out where that disgruntled Dwarf Hunter went with the skin of Dargonarth...
A_V Jan 16th 2011 8:53PM
I have to agree there. That character is the biggest Mary Sue out there, official author or not. The woman writes like a fifteen year old with her first fan fiction.
Anne Stickney Jan 16th 2011 9:01PM
Shh. We do not speak of the T-word here.
Anne Stickney Jan 16th 2011 9:22PM
Although all I have to say about that particular 'novel' is that it isn't that the characters are Mary Sues so much as the whole horrendous piece of tripe is just one woman's masturbatory self-insertion fantasy. :D
itsthebrent Jan 16th 2011 9:35PM
Anne, I just fell in love with you.
Drakkenfyre Jan 16th 2011 10:14PM
I have to say, it's very possible for a professional author to write a Mary Sue.
Just because you are getting paid for it, and you have the authorization of the original company, does NOT mean you can't write a Mary Sue.
We all know who is being referenced here. To have a character written, who steps on lore written 15 years ago, go back in time and suddenly pop up and be the teacher to one lore figure, an inspiration to another, and fighting along side others, no, that's a Mary Sue. Especially considering the description of his perfect figure, and perfect hair. And how he scores a chick who normally wouldn't even look at one of his kind as a mate, and not only that, but has twins with her, something that is extremely rare with her race.
Then to have that character placed in-game, where before you could ignore him by not reading the books, now he's facing you, literally, as you turn in quests to him.
That's a Mary Sue. Paid for the work or not. Imagine someone went back, and rewrote Star Trek, so they somehow all magically fell into place, and were united as a crew ten years before they were supposed to. And they all fell into their roles, with no training beyond academy training. And they somehow were kept on as the crew, despite their age.
Oh, wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IptbC3p2lCk
(Note, I am not calling anything in Star Trek a Mary Sue, but just how changing lore can piss people off.)
roseclown Jan 16th 2011 10:40PM
As a wannabe-author, gotta agree. My own summary and complete go-to rule for deciding a Sue is this one line-
"If the character bends the spoken and/or unspoken rules of the universe their inhabit for their own benefit on a consistent basis, they are a Sue."
Too-perfect? No human creature (and by the logical flow, humanOID creature) is perfect. It's impossible. Grats, your character is bending the laws. The is more obvious when a character is placed into a world full of characters with flaws.
Attracts everyone around them? Um, just from the description I'm not attracted, and every human creature has their own tastes with some lines of similarity. So yeah, not everyone is gonna be bowled over by your sparkling beauty.
A half-fay/Artha's child/Tyrande's child hybrid? Shouldn't exist according to the rules of the universe, so you are breaking the unviverses' rules every time you log on.
Bella is a great example of this for a book Sue. She exists in a world that for all intents and purposes, is ours. The only exceptions are that vampires and werewolves exist. Yet, she attracts every man, is the envy of every woman, and by the end of the novels breaks a boatload of previously declared absolutes within the novel itself. (Has a half-vampire child naturally, does not have the newborn hunter crazy blood-lust, etc.) Ergo, Sue.
When a author seeks to bend or break the rules of the universe the character is in, whether a previously made universe or a new one made by that author, then it's a Sue. Because the only reason you do it is because that character is your author's darling/self-insert/ego-stroking tool, which is what most Sue's are. I have never seen a person consistently bend or break the rules for a character who wasn't fulfilling one of these roles, and that wasn't a Sue.
jimbobfredsamuel Jan 16th 2011 11:50PM
Talking of official. There are also quite a few arguable Mary-Sues in WoW. Tirion Fordring anyone?
Talaamu@Spirestone Jan 17th 2011 12:36AM
@ jimbobfredsamuel
I actually don't think tirion is a mary sue. Blizzard purposefully made many paladins have seemingly perfect attributes, etc. As each "Mary sue" of a paladin is explained by lore and fit into the story the way they are, they are not Mary sues.
Like was said in the article, if the characters are part of the world, they are not Mary sues. This is why tirion is not a mary sue, and yet, like people said earlier in the comments, Bella in the twilight series is - she is put by the author into our world, in Which those attributes are impossible.
If you want a good understanding of how paladins such as bolvar and tirion can be so selfless, read the wow insider lore article on the light.
Hope I provide some new insight! :)
Shadowwind Jan 17th 2011 2:30AM
Going to Saeadame's above comment on whether a flaw could unmake a Mary Sue, I believe that that would put Tirion solidly out of the Sue realm. If you look at Tirion's story in Vanilla WoW, the very traits that he displays in Wrath (treating races equally, his stubborn belief in what is 'right', faith that the Light would favor the just, and so forth) not only affected him, they came close to destroying him! Tirion was a Lord in Hearthglen before he chose to save an orc's life. That act cost him him his lordship, his family, his friends, EVERYTHING but his life. He was living alone as a hermit when we first met him in Vanilla. His decision to reunite with his son led directly to Taelan's death. If you want to extend that a bit, his decision to obey the terms of his exile and not help defend the towns and villages of Lordaeron probably caused many helpless civilians to die for lack of protection.
While his fortunes in Wrath have taken a turn for the better, he's still very much the same man. (And I'll remind you that his predictability very nearly got all of us killed when Arthas decided to let Tirion do the recruit training for a change. Aka: the end of the LK fight when we discover Arthas' master plan.) The only difference is that Tirion's bullheadedness and his faith in the Light have attracted followers, followers who wanted the LK dead, but didn't know how to recruit and prepare a fighting force.