Know Your Lore: Honor, Krom'gar. Never forsake it.

I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever...
"Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
The Stonetalon Mountains, nestled in the heart of western Kalimdor, are one such location that's come under heavy fire from both sides. Formerly home to the Venture Company, the Stonetalon Mountains are now under contention by both sides, in an effort to grab what resources and land are immediately available. For the Alliance, it's a harder fight than previously thought. Not only is the Alliance dealing with Horde forces, they're also dealing with an ancient evil lurking beneath Stonetalon Peak.

What's interesting about Stonetalon Peak isn't just the story -- it's the shift in attitude. It doesn't just serve to highlight what's been going on in the Stonetalon area; it serves to highlight what's going on in the Horde itself. Gone are the days when NPCs quietly beseech you to help heal the Charred Vale. Now as a member of the Horde, players are expected to arm land mines in order to blow up any night elves encroaching on Horde outposts. The shove for supremacy is strong here, just as it was in the snowy hills of Icecrown.
In Icecrown, the Horde forces sought to not only wipe out the Scourge that served the Lich King, but also the Alliance forces, even though the Alliance forces had the same goal in mind: to destroy the Lich King and his army once and for all. The lunacy of the situation didn't occur to the Horde. It was simply a matter of wiping out their enemies, even when those enemies were at their weakest. Especially when those enemies were at their weakest.

Horde scouts reported that the night elves were preparing their own weapons of mass destruction and hiding them within an ancient tree to the north. Since the bomb could not be used on Windshear Hold, it was flown instead to Cliffwalker Post. Cliffwalker Post was a small tauren outpost situated high above Battlescar Valley, where fighting between the Alliance and Horde armies had reached a brutal climax. But upon arrival at Cliffwalker Post, a startling revelation was made by the tauren that called this area their home.
The night elves weren't holding weapons of any kind. In fact, the night elves of the area were young druids in training, and the ancient tree was nothing more than a druid grove called Thal'darah. Druids, both night elf and tauren, studied there together for generations, and there was no reason to suspect that these nature-loving creatures would do anything to destroy the fragile land around them. High Chieftain Cliffwalker tried to convince the Horde General of this, but General Grebo wouldn't hear of it, accusing Cliffwalker of treason -- and so the High Chieftain sent his son Orthus into the valley to speak with the night elves thereand prove that the druids had no weapons of any kind.

Players sent to meet Orthus manage to find the young tauren -- or what remained of him. The glade itself was full of frightened young druids, running in terror with nowhere really to go. Armies of Alliance and Horde surrounded the glade, and the sounds of battle ripped through the air, the little druid glade trapped smack in the middle of it all. Orthus lay dead at the top of the ancient tree along with several night elf bodies. There were no weapons in sight, no obvious signs of foul play, but Orthus' dead hand clutched an insignia. Not an Alliance insignia -- the insignia of a Krom'gar General. Grebo's insignia.
High Chieftain Cliffwalker was furious. His son had been betrayed, murdered by the Horde who supposedly followed an honorable path. He ordered his wife to leave, but she refused to leave her husband's side. After giving the insignia back to General Grebo, High Chieftain Cliffwalker let the general know that his lies had been exposed. Instead of apologizing for his actions, the general called Cliffwalker a coward, spineless and a disgrace to the Horde, and attacked the Chieftain and his wife. Forced to defend themselves, the Cliffwalkers killed General Grebo.

Cliffwalker's wife was the first to fall to Krom'gar's army, the small tents and huts at the outpost set ablaze. And as High Chieftain Cliffwalker watched in horror, Overlord Krom'gar ordered the bomb released to Thal'darah Grove, forcing the chieftain to watch as it detonated and destroyed the ancient tree as well as the few frightened druids that remained behind. Women, children, innocents ... all dead, and a smoking crater was all that remained of the druid's precious grove. And as Overlord Krom'gar gloated over his victorious plans, a newcomer arrived on the scene. Warchief Hellscream.
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief! I... I was carrying out your command!
Garrosh Hellscream says: My command? Was my command to murder innocents, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief... Sir... I...
Garrosh Hellscream says: Am I a murderer, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: No, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Then I ask you again: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Krom'gar begins to cower before Garrosh.
Garrosh Hellscream says: I sent you into Stonetalon Mountains with an army. Your orders were to secure this land for the Horde. Instead, you laid waste to the land. Murdered innocents. Children even... I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever... "Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
Garrosh Hellscream says: Overlord Krom'gar, you have disgraced the Horde. You have brought shame to us as a people. By my right as Warchief, I hereby relieve you of your duty.
Garrosh picks up Krom'gar by the throat and lifts him over the edge of the lift bridge.
Garrosh Hellscream says: YOU ARE DISMISSED.
Garrosh drops Krom'gar off the edge, sending him to his death.
This is one of the pivotal moments of Cataclysm, because it highlights one of those changes that we didn't see in the end of Wrath -- the moment when Garrosh realized that the fighting he encouraged in the Northrend war was no longer an acceptable option, that it simply did not apply in southern Azeroth because there were civilians potentially at risk. It's one thing to be fighting an army that is prepared to fight; it's another thing entirely to attack a defenseless group of druids who not only are doing nothing to provoke an attack but also have no real way of defending themselves. The druids of the glade were not warriors; they were not members of the Alliance army. They were innocents caught in the midst of battle.

It may also very well be why Garrosh's reaction to Overlord Krom'gar's acts was so strong. The death of a tauren by orcish hands, and once again, that death was a dishonorable one -- it was an echo of the shame he felt when he learned that Cairne's death was not an honorable one and that he had murdered someone who couldn't fight back. This time though, it wasn't a treacherous Grimtotem who poisoned the blade and paved the way for his shame -- it was an orc Overlord who had been trusted with the position of command, an orc that Garrosh himself had placed in that position of command. There was no reason for Krom'gar to act the way he did, other than sheer bloodlust. And it is obvious from Garrosh's reaction that mindless bloodlust will not be tolerated.

Which makes the rest of Cataclysm even more interesting. Garrosh is learning, and Garrosh has stated that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated -- and yet that behavior is being acted out in other areas of the world, notably in Silverpine Forest and Hillsbrad Foothills, where the Forsaken have gone wild and ignore the Warchief's wishes. It may be that Garrosh Hellscream will soon discover what kind of strain Thrall was under as Warchief, that a Warchief's eyes cannot watch everything at once. How he chooses to deal with this knowledge is still up in the air; however, I don't think it's likely that we'll see Garrosh willingly give his position to another -- he's far too determined to lead, and lead the right way.
The eyes of Hellscream are upon us, but they aren't the eyes of an orc driven to bloodlust. They are the eyes of a cautious leader, a watchful leader, one who has a very defined line between what is honorable and what is not. Stonetalon remains as a cautionary tale to any who cross that line ... and they will learn in the instant before their death the folly of dishonor and what it means to cross a Hellscream.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
- Garrosh Hellscream
- High Overlord Saurfang
- Sylvanas Windrunner
- Current Horde Politics: the Orcs
- Cairne Bloodhoof
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.Filed under: Lore, Know your Lore






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
Necromann Jan 16th 2011 2:09PM
For The Horde!
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Vodkamartini Jan 17th 2011 6:47AM
The Dalaran Street Journal
Horde Offensive Halted By Ethics Panel
Orcs debate how far to take their bloodlust
ORGRIMMAR -- Warchief Garrosh called for a temporary cease-fire in the Alliance-Horde conflict after the Orcish military command went into an uproar over a recent revelation.
The atrocities in the Stonetalon Peaks -- and execution of Orcish Overlord Krom'Gar, who oversaw the ruthless and successful Horde military actions in the area, as well as a controversial punitive strike to partisans who killed a Horde general -- only came to light recently after the Web site Wonkyleaks detailed the incident from anonymous mercenary sources and leaked Horde reports.
"I let him go," was the only comment from the Warchief concerning his conversation with the late overlord, who was last seen being throttled by Garrosh while being held aloft over a cliff.
Orcish military high command has been in a frenzy since Krom'Gar's dismissal, but many of its members are publicly taking an obsequious tone as they wish not to join the overlord's fate. A few old high-ranking warriors, however, have privately disputed the Warchief's ruling, noting the mission was accomplished.
"We are currently reviewing conduct and procedures in the battlefield," a nervous speaker for the Orc overlords said after the Warchief's cease-fire decree. "After the panel comes to agreements and the Warchief approves their recommendations, our scribes may produce an updated Scroll of Conduct for our soldiers, fellow Horde members and contracted mercenaries to follow."
But lost are the common orc soldiers, who can't fathom following rules of conduct on a battlefield where souls are stolen, bodies ripped asunder and bases and graveyards raped.
"Has the Warchief Pro Tem lost his goddamn mind? Do those overlords in the fort remember what it's like to be the trenches?" said a veteran grunt who spoke on condition of anonymity. "This doublespeak is like Thrall's, only worse. I mean, it's one thing to be all preachy on the peace thing and still look the other way when you're bludgeoning guys from the other faction in the Eye of the Storm, Nagrand, Wintergrasp or other out-of-the-way places. This? Being all warlike and talking tough, fighting the Alliance when they're fighting a common foe or just standing there, then chickening out over some vague sense of honor and the fact you didn't like the way Krom'Gar got the job got done? It's like Garrosh be tellin' us, 'Yeah, I want you to kill them and be at war, but I want you to be all polite about it. No women, no children, no druidic college students.' The hell you say Warchief? You ain't been out here in the (expletive) where there are no rules. You be out here in the (expletive), it changes you bro. It's ruthless. Hell, Garrosh, I know you weren't on the battlefield in Northrend. Nah, big bad Garrosh be spending the whole damn time in that comfy fortress in front of the campfire, lookin' tough and tellin' the impressionable mercs to go kill some rats or deliver a message to walrus man or buffalo guy or whatever.
"And no women and no children? Please," the grunt added. "How the hell can you tell the difference between a kid and a gnome in the heat of battle? If something a foot tall is on the battlefield and ain't got friendly ID in the second I sees it, that's a dead little mofo, I don't care how old it is. I ain't gettin' my big green butt shanked by a kneecap-high gnome rogue no way no how. And has our seasoned veteran leader noticed most of them Nelfs and Drannies are chicks packing heat? Does our leader know they got vicious werewolves fighting for them now? Fanged, bloodthirsty, furious WEREWOLVES? Why should us Orcs limit ourselves? Besides, have you taken a good hard look at our fellow Horde members and their battlefield conduct? Warlocks with their evil magics and demon lackeys? The Trolls, who take frickin' heads and shrink them for trophies? The Blood Elves? They take a hit of magic essence if they sniff a hint of it off a corpse, and go crazy if the dead folk be wearing good threads. Our new battle brothers, the goblins? They practically check each body for gold teeth or silver fillings. And don't say the Tauren ain't violating no wartime convention rules, cause some bull that weighs a ton and wields a tree log for a weapon ain't gonna leave a corpse a mortician or necromancer could fix for an open casket funeral. But that's better than the Forsaken, who use enemy corpses for triage, buffet and potential recruits in undeath. So you're gonna call me, a trained killing machine of the Horde, 'honorless, paranoid or drunk on the bloodlust,' for how I got the job done? Whatever. My job is to kill whatever I'm pointed at. So what on how I did it. At the end of the fight, I'm gonna be alive and here to say in the face of my dead opponents, 'Lok'tar, mission accomplished! For the Horde mother (expletive)!' Oooh'aah!"
Asked in the Stormwind Throne Room on how the Alliance viewed the schism in Horde ethics, King Varian Wrynn, Worgen leader Genn Greymane and Draenei Emissary Taluun responded in unison a two-word comment which cannot be used in a family-friendly newspaper.
Their sentiment is echoed on the streets of Stormwind to the treehouses of Darnassus. "The only honor from a Horde warrior, is the points you get from killing one," Leafett Toomi, a Night Elf druid back from the Warsong Gulch skirmishes, said.
Kroof Jan 16th 2011 2:17PM
I find it interesting that you mention that "this kind of behavior will not be tolerated".
When in fact during the beginning Twilight Highlands quests we see Garrosh act in just such a manner. Attacking Alliance boats without any sort of provocation.
This was not Horde territory, and more importantly it went against any decent military strategy.
If Garrosh is learning, he is learning extremely slowly.
I do not care for Garrosh. I shall continually set my Basic Campfire upon the Orgrimmar throne. Until either the Campfire becomes warchief, or Varok Saurfang comes down from Northrend to a cozy warm seat.
Sharalack Jan 16th 2011 2:29PM
The thing is Kroof is that Garrosh is condemning the murder of innocents in this instance.
By the point in the story where the Alliance and Horde and moving into the Twilight Highlands it's been firmly established that the two are both at war. Any Alliance commander worth his salt would've done the same had the Horde been in a weak spot.
Asides from that, the Alliance isn't dumb enough to send boats full of innocent civilians into enemy territory, the majority, if not all, on those boats would've been soldiers/sailors etc.
Whilst I agree he can be pig headed and rash, the incident in the Twilight Highlands is not comparable to the bombing of innocent druids.
jasonkidd1234 Jan 16th 2011 3:22PM
In fact, the alliance to practically the same exact thing to the horde in the Goblin starting quest.
The goblins are trying to escape Kezan, the alliance fire upon them for no real reason. Not only that, they attack the boat that Thrall was on (Who was on his way to try to stop the Maelstrom), capturing him despite the fact that he had no real intention of attacking them back (We can assume. At this point thrall was on his way to maelstrom, thus he probably had no reason to attack the alliance.)
So the logic that garrosh's "unprovoked" attack on the alliance was "immature" comes back at the alliance in the same exact way.
While he does believe in Honor, the alliance and horde are still at war. In a war, you don't let your enemies drive by if you think you have an advantage. The alliance did it just as the horde did, in fact Garrosh's attack made more sense, as they were heading to the Twilight highlands mainly to get horde territory, seeing enemies on a territory you are interested in acquiring is about as good of a reason to attack them as any. Whereas the alliance that attacked Thrall made less sense. Assuming they didn't know he was going to try to help keep the maelstrom in order, they still attacked a neutral ship, which eventually causes the goblins to join the Horde (And Thrall, somebody who wasn't going to attack them) kill hundreds of them in a fury :V
So yeah, don't knock on Garrosh for making a military attack against a military fleet when the alliance did the same thing for a more stupid reason.
Al Jan 16th 2011 3:46PM
The Alliance spotted a Goblin flotilla headed their way during a battle. Taking the split-second considerations of
A. They weren't aware of any Goblins in the area
B. Goblins are mercenary creeps who'd sell their own mother
Were the Alliance supposed to stop shooting while the Goblins sailed through the battlefield? They weren't flying a white flag or anything.
Revrant Jan 16th 2011 4:17PM
Wow, Al, no.
No.
I urge you to watch the actual cinematic, it is made clear they have no idea who they are and don't care, no witnesses was the order, it would not have mattered who happened in on the battle, the Alliance would have annihilated them in that instance.
Apple Jan 16th 2011 4:50PM
Flotilla (noun): a formation of small warships.
You may want to watch that cinematic again. A few things pop up.
-There was only one goblin ship.
-It wasn't apparent to the humans who owned it, so it really could have been anyone.
-The goblins tried to turn around and escape while the humans were talking, so they weren't actually in the way of anything.
-Goblins may be bastards, but they were virtually all firmly neutral in the Alliance/Horde conflict at the time. Even if the humans could tell it was a goblin ship, that would actually be a reason not to fire on it.
-The actual, stated reason why they fired on the ship was that they were ordered to capture a "Horde Target" and ensure there were "no witnesses".
vocenoctum Jan 16th 2011 5:35PM
The Alliance ships were after Thrall, the goblins were witnesses to a discrete military operation. While it seems "clear" this was an alliance attack, I haven't seen anything on Alliance side about it to show that it was a real, Varian Sanctioned attack. There WAS a high placed alliance Twilight agent, so that makes some sense I guess. (Like the warship attack in Deephome)
I didn't finish the goblin part enough to know if Thrall was on his way to the Maelstrom or just on a trip of some random sort. Either way I don't think it was commonly known where to, and it would have been within days of Deathwings emergence. (And taking a ship is one of those story elements that makes little sense in a game of flying warships and teleporting...)
Joseph Smith Jan 16th 2011 6:38PM
*Spoiler Alert* (If necessary, i think most that want to have played the Goblin start zone by now)
The attack on the Horde ship (and by extension, the Goblins), was not in my opinion, sanctioned by Varian or any other official authority within the Alliance. My reasoning for this is that it definitely seems like SI:7 were the ones in command of the mission from the beginning, and say what you will about clandestine intelligence gathering organisations, they don't usually wait for their government to tell them when kidnapping/assasination is a good idea. Generally to give them plausible deniability. ;)
/unequip [Tinfoil Hat]
Eldoron Jan 16th 2011 7:51PM
"Attacking Alliance boats without any sort of provocation."
Yep, that's called WAR. You do not wait for provocation. If Americans saw Vietkong marching down a road they'd attack them, cause they were at WAR.
Snuzzle Jan 16th 2011 9:15PM
I agree with Joseph, at least somewhat. It's not made 100% clear that those were Alliance ships that attacked the goblins. I'm not firmly convinced. It just makes no sense, otherwise why would they have held Thrall hostage and not killed him when there were supposed to be "no witnesses"? What were they planning to do with him?
No, the more you think about it, the less it makes sense that those ships were sailed and sanctioned by the Alliance. And I'm Horde and I can see that.
Quasi Jan 16th 2011 10:25PM
The alliance ship attacked the goblins because they were witnesses to a secret mission. I cant quote the cutscene, but I think the captain or admiral of the alliance vessels actually said "no witnesses" before they opened fire. It could have been a merchant vessel full of humans and it would have suffered the same fate.
Zanathos Jan 16th 2011 10:47PM
There's a very simple reason the humans shoot at the goblins.
They need some reason for them to join the horde.
Suzaku Jan 17th 2011 12:42AM
@Joseph Smith: You might want to read The Shattering, in which Varian personally LEADS an SI:7 operation to assassinate the rightful heir to Magni's throne, only to be stopped by his son, Anduin. SI:7 is essentially Varian's black ops force.
@Snuzzle: Go play the goblin starting zone. It's the Alliance. There's an entire fleet of Alliance warships trying to take down one Horde vessel in order to capture Thrall. There are a ton of SI:7 operatives. Later, a batallion of famed Alliance paratroopers and a squad of Gnomeregan stealth figher pilots are sent in for support. They're even called the Alliance in Blizzard's own official descriptions of the zone.
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Vrykerion Jan 17th 2011 4:48AM
Joseph Smith may be on to something with the SI:7 connection. /dons tinfoil hat. After all, we find out in the Twilight Highlands prequests that **SPOILER**
SI:7, in part, has been infiltrated by Twilight's Hammer. Major Samuelson's files are kept up in SI:7's HQ, and he's Varian's go-to guy for the investigation in the city. If someone that high up could pass along orders to stop the VIP from screwing things up in the Maelstrom for the cult, it would be him. Those orders would definitely justify a no-witnesses-super-secret-mission attitude as well.
...Of course this is extremely off topic but Smith made an excellent point that I felt should be emphasized on. :D
Kroof Jan 17th 2011 11:43AM
Everyone keeps mentioning that Garrosh's attack on the Alliance ships makes sense because The Horde is obviously at war with The Alliance.
I understand this completely, attack enemies.
However, it made no sense tactically. They were supposed to be heading to Twilight Highlands where they knew they were to run into NON -ALLIANCE enemy forces. The alliance boats posed no immediate threat to the airships. It is not like he ordered a full halt and had his whole armada attack the alliance.
No, he ordered his fighter escorts to harass them. There was little hope that the fighters themselves could do much damage to the ships. Indeed, they did not, as the alliance were in good enough shape to attack Horde ships that came later AND still make it to Twilight Highlands.
He made a stupid military mistake (waste resources before the planned operation).
He made another stupid military mistake (leaving his main force unprotected).
My biggest problem with Garrosh is that he cannot seem to make up his mind about how he wants to act. Sometimes he talks to fellow horde members (mostly orcs) with honor and pride. Other members, he treats like dirt and filth (Sylvanus and Vol'jin, as well as the rest of their race).
To me, he is a racist meathead. Exactly like the Alliance Grand Marshal Garithos. The man who due to poor judgment and blatant racism caused the Blood Elves to leave the alliance and eventually join the horde.
If things continue as they are I could completely believe Trolls and Undead leaving the Horde. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least some Tauren go along with them. (I highly doubt this would really happen, it would break the game too much for Blizzard. The idea is still sound though).
Gossamer Jan 16th 2011 2:18PM
Garrosh: OMG don't murder people!
Krom'gar: But you said...
Garrosh: No! *murder*
Gee, I can't imagine why some members of the horde might be confused as to what their new Warchief is after...