Know Your Lore: Honor, Krom'gar. Never forsake it.

I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever...
"Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
The Stonetalon Mountains, nestled in the heart of western Kalimdor, are one such location that's come under heavy fire from both sides. Formerly home to the Venture Company, the Stonetalon Mountains are now under contention by both sides, in an effort to grab what resources and land are immediately available. For the Alliance, it's a harder fight than previously thought. Not only is the Alliance dealing with Horde forces, they're also dealing with an ancient evil lurking beneath Stonetalon Peak.

What's interesting about Stonetalon Peak isn't just the story -- it's the shift in attitude. It doesn't just serve to highlight what's been going on in the Stonetalon area; it serves to highlight what's going on in the Horde itself. Gone are the days when NPCs quietly beseech you to help heal the Charred Vale. Now as a member of the Horde, players are expected to arm land mines in order to blow up any night elves encroaching on Horde outposts. The shove for supremacy is strong here, just as it was in the snowy hills of Icecrown.
In Icecrown, the Horde forces sought to not only wipe out the Scourge that served the Lich King, but also the Alliance forces, even though the Alliance forces had the same goal in mind: to destroy the Lich King and his army once and for all. The lunacy of the situation didn't occur to the Horde. It was simply a matter of wiping out their enemies, even when those enemies were at their weakest. Especially when those enemies were at their weakest.

Horde scouts reported that the night elves were preparing their own weapons of mass destruction and hiding them within an ancient tree to the north. Since the bomb could not be used on Windshear Hold, it was flown instead to Cliffwalker Post. Cliffwalker Post was a small tauren outpost situated high above Battlescar Valley, where fighting between the Alliance and Horde armies had reached a brutal climax. But upon arrival at Cliffwalker Post, a startling revelation was made by the tauren that called this area their home.
The night elves weren't holding weapons of any kind. In fact, the night elves of the area were young druids in training, and the ancient tree was nothing more than a druid grove called Thal'darah. Druids, both night elf and tauren, studied there together for generations, and there was no reason to suspect that these nature-loving creatures would do anything to destroy the fragile land around them. High Chieftain Cliffwalker tried to convince the Horde General of this, but General Grebo wouldn't hear of it, accusing Cliffwalker of treason -- and so the High Chieftain sent his son Orthus into the valley to speak with the night elves thereand prove that the druids had no weapons of any kind.

Players sent to meet Orthus manage to find the young tauren -- or what remained of him. The glade itself was full of frightened young druids, running in terror with nowhere really to go. Armies of Alliance and Horde surrounded the glade, and the sounds of battle ripped through the air, the little druid glade trapped smack in the middle of it all. Orthus lay dead at the top of the ancient tree along with several night elf bodies. There were no weapons in sight, no obvious signs of foul play, but Orthus' dead hand clutched an insignia. Not an Alliance insignia -- the insignia of a Krom'gar General. Grebo's insignia.
High Chieftain Cliffwalker was furious. His son had been betrayed, murdered by the Horde who supposedly followed an honorable path. He ordered his wife to leave, but she refused to leave her husband's side. After giving the insignia back to General Grebo, High Chieftain Cliffwalker let the general know that his lies had been exposed. Instead of apologizing for his actions, the general called Cliffwalker a coward, spineless and a disgrace to the Horde, and attacked the Chieftain and his wife. Forced to defend themselves, the Cliffwalkers killed General Grebo.

Cliffwalker's wife was the first to fall to Krom'gar's army, the small tents and huts at the outpost set ablaze. And as High Chieftain Cliffwalker watched in horror, Overlord Krom'gar ordered the bomb released to Thal'darah Grove, forcing the chieftain to watch as it detonated and destroyed the ancient tree as well as the few frightened druids that remained behind. Women, children, innocents ... all dead, and a smoking crater was all that remained of the druid's precious grove. And as Overlord Krom'gar gloated over his victorious plans, a newcomer arrived on the scene. Warchief Hellscream.
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief! I... I was carrying out your command!
Garrosh Hellscream says: My command? Was my command to murder innocents, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief... Sir... I...
Garrosh Hellscream says: Am I a murderer, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: No, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Then I ask you again: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Krom'gar begins to cower before Garrosh.
Garrosh Hellscream says: I sent you into Stonetalon Mountains with an army. Your orders were to secure this land for the Horde. Instead, you laid waste to the land. Murdered innocents. Children even... I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever... "Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
Garrosh Hellscream says: Overlord Krom'gar, you have disgraced the Horde. You have brought shame to us as a people. By my right as Warchief, I hereby relieve you of your duty.
Garrosh picks up Krom'gar by the throat and lifts him over the edge of the lift bridge.
Garrosh Hellscream says: YOU ARE DISMISSED.
Garrosh drops Krom'gar off the edge, sending him to his death.
This is one of the pivotal moments of Cataclysm, because it highlights one of those changes that we didn't see in the end of Wrath -- the moment when Garrosh realized that the fighting he encouraged in the Northrend war was no longer an acceptable option, that it simply did not apply in southern Azeroth because there were civilians potentially at risk. It's one thing to be fighting an army that is prepared to fight; it's another thing entirely to attack a defenseless group of druids who not only are doing nothing to provoke an attack but also have no real way of defending themselves. The druids of the glade were not warriors; they were not members of the Alliance army. They were innocents caught in the midst of battle.

It may also very well be why Garrosh's reaction to Overlord Krom'gar's acts was so strong. The death of a tauren by orcish hands, and once again, that death was a dishonorable one -- it was an echo of the shame he felt when he learned that Cairne's death was not an honorable one and that he had murdered someone who couldn't fight back. This time though, it wasn't a treacherous Grimtotem who poisoned the blade and paved the way for his shame -- it was an orc Overlord who had been trusted with the position of command, an orc that Garrosh himself had placed in that position of command. There was no reason for Krom'gar to act the way he did, other than sheer bloodlust. And it is obvious from Garrosh's reaction that mindless bloodlust will not be tolerated.

Which makes the rest of Cataclysm even more interesting. Garrosh is learning, and Garrosh has stated that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated -- and yet that behavior is being acted out in other areas of the world, notably in Silverpine Forest and Hillsbrad Foothills, where the Forsaken have gone wild and ignore the Warchief's wishes. It may be that Garrosh Hellscream will soon discover what kind of strain Thrall was under as Warchief, that a Warchief's eyes cannot watch everything at once. How he chooses to deal with this knowledge is still up in the air; however, I don't think it's likely that we'll see Garrosh willingly give his position to another -- he's far too determined to lead, and lead the right way.
The eyes of Hellscream are upon us, but they aren't the eyes of an orc driven to bloodlust. They are the eyes of a cautious leader, a watchful leader, one who has a very defined line between what is honorable and what is not. Stonetalon remains as a cautionary tale to any who cross that line ... and they will learn in the instant before their death the folly of dishonor and what it means to cross a Hellscream.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
- Garrosh Hellscream
- High Overlord Saurfang
- Sylvanas Windrunner
- Current Horde Politics: the Orcs
- Cairne Bloodhoof
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.Filed under: Lore, Know your Lore






Reader Comments (Page 2 of 6)
MusedMoose Jan 16th 2011 2:32PM
There's a big difference between what Krom'gar did and Garrosh's actions. Looking at the article, Krom'gar was assuming treachery despite the evidence, assuming cowardice when given reasonable explanations, and he basically just wanted to kill things. Garrosh was laying down the law - a brutal law, but a law nonetheless - and doing so in a way that would (at least in theory) discourage others from behaving like Krom'gar did.
I'm not saying that simply banishing Krom'gar, or removing him from command, wouldn't have been the better option. That's a debate that's got more sides than a bag full of dice. All I'm saying is that from Garrosh's perspective, killing Krom'gar was punishment and/or justice, not murder.
kaminari Jan 16th 2011 2:53PM
he was executed for war crimes, no trial was held but we all know he did it =P
Gossamer Jan 16th 2011 4:20PM
Maybe it wasn't the best example, but my point is he just killed some one for crimes he has not only committed, but previously promoted. He's been very "death to the alliance... no matter what!" since leaving Northrend. As some one already pointed out, this is very nearly the same scenario as when Garrosh ran across a beaten and battered alliance ship in horde territory and killed nearly everyone though it was obvious they had not meant to be there and were defenseless. He's obviously learned a little since then and may become a better leader for it, but he may find he has no one to lead if he punishes his most loyal followers for doing something he originally seemed to revel in, and so.. irrevocably.
razion Jan 16th 2011 9:06PM
You seem to have missed the entire point of the article. He was like that in Northrend--but that isn't he Garrosh we're dealing with now. The Garrosh we're dealing with now was influenced at the end of Wrath by Saurfant. The introductory quote, actually, explains this.
"Honor, Krom'gar, no matter how fierce the battle--NEVER forsake it!"
Garrosh wouldn't slaughter innocents. He killed Krom'gar, but Krom'gar was HARDLY innocent--he had committed genocide. He is guilty of war crimes. As acting leader of the Horde while Thrall is away, it is very well within Garrosh's realm of control to enact harsh Horde justice on his cowardly genocide-enabling tooshie.
Nick Jan 16th 2011 11:52PM
Except once again, those weren't alliance soldiers. Death to the Alliance is fine, its a WAR. Defending innocents has earned some respect for Garrosh from me. Also its called character development, good stories have it :)
Superstone Jan 17th 2011 12:11AM
Every General, every commander, is expected to know the Rules of War (yes, there's such a thing) before leading his people into actual battle. There are a few leaders who would sanction the murder of innocents and children but, we call them butchers and murderers; not leaders.
While it seems that Garrosh is definitely a loose cannon at times, his growing pains as a leader is to realize the value of psychological warfare. Winning hearts and minds. This General didn't just cross Hellscream and forsake honor, he destroyed the potentially positive opinion of the denizens of Ashenvale. While both Horde and Alliance are definitely giving everything to claim the resources of the area, there are also potential allies to be had in the civilian population and having some druids-in-training speaking highly of you and your sense of decency to their friends and neighbors is definitely a boon to your war effort.
Why do we fight wars? To win resources. How do you fight in an enemy territory and win? By winning hearts and minds. How do you do that when your commanders are sadistic and foolish? You don't.
Pythagos Jan 26th 2011 5:28PM
Garrosh is not "acting leader"; he IS the Warchief.
Elmouth Jan 16th 2011 2:22PM
Nice article, its a shame Saurfang is still grieving in Northrend, I'm sure Garrosh could use the help.
Sintraedrien Jan 16th 2011 2:39PM
In my own opinion, Garrosh could use Saurfangs' axe - embedded within his parietal lobe.
Sintra E'Drien of the Ebon Blade, né Sindorei (are the Worgen recruiting? I'd go furry)
devilsei Jan 16th 2011 3:09PM
Sin, as much as I'd normally agree, I can't just ignore the fact that Garrosh has been led away from the crazed version we knew of during Lich King. He's learning, and much of his dialogue shown throughout Cataclysm lends to this.
I bet if, shown how he was in the precursor to Lich King, that he'd be in Thralls shoes dueling his younger self.
Karen Lindsay Jan 17th 2011 10:51AM
I really lobbied for Saurfang to take over while Thrall attended to the Maelstrom, but I can definitely see why he went with Garrosh. Especially after reading "The Shattering". I just wish they'd have put more of that bridging storyline into the Cata lead-in quests.
Yeah, okay, I know about the Twilight Hammer - but if I hadn't read the book I'd be lost with the Horde leadership stories.
I'm sure there are pieces of the puzzle missing on the Alliance side as well. I managed to get an Alliance character to Outland so I could see the pre-shattering quests, and I'm really glad I did. Can't help loving the Horde though. :-D
Hanak Jan 16th 2011 2:26PM
It's easy to forget that what we as players see of our leaders in-game is but a snapshot of their history. For two years we saw Garrosh act in a way that made us root for Basic Campfire for warchief. But those two years was nothing more than a few moments for the lore-characters, repeated over and over for each new player that came along. We didn't get to see all that happened to our leaders and other prominent lore-figures. Reading this article makes me wish to reroll again, just to be able to see as many of those precious few in-game lore-moments as possible.
CDave Jan 16th 2011 8:09PM
This snapshot that we see in game frustrates me. I don't mean to bash the books, but important changes (Malfurion coming back, Garrosh's COMPLETE character turn around, Varian returning, etc) should have some in game presence. Sure, expand upon the moments with books, comics, etc., but let the largest audience of your product (us gamers) see it in the primary form. For instance, there are many books, radio plays, and movies of Doctor Who, but only things from the TV series is considered truly canon. Heck, ignore all the Star Wars spinoff media (which they want us to think of as canon) and you still have a functional story in the movies. WoW really needs to adopt this practice; we should be able to experience the story of the game without having to leave it. Alright, I think that's good enough for a comment /end rant :P
PS: notice I was able to do that without saying Blizzard is just trying to make money. Trollers, take note
SillyString Jan 17th 2011 4:41AM
Well, think about it this way. If Blizzard put every single thing into the game from the supplemental materials, then there would be so much altering of the game, altering of the characters, altering of the zones, and just so much altering period that players would be completely lost. Quests and cutscenes would be constantly changing and being added and taken out, character locations would jump everywhere, it would be a total mess. To say nothing of the strain on the servers and programmers who have to handle all of that, especially when they were busy with the Cataclysm expansion.
With something as intertwined and expansive as WoW's lore and history, you can't tell the entire story in the game itself, unless you feel like watching more cutscenes than Metal Gear Solid 4 had for half of your gaming time. It may be annoying to some (the lazy ones, anyways), but that's what the books, comics, WowWiki and other resources are for, to give the nitty-gritty details and character development that would be difficult to do in the game proper.
MusedMoose Jan 16th 2011 2:27PM
Interesting. ^_^ I see that I'm missing out on quite a bit by only playing Alliance-side, though the same could be said of anyone who plays Horde exclusively. Would that I could clone myself so I could do all the questlines and still go to work. Heh.
It is good to see, though, that there are people on both sides with and without honor, and it's all reflected in how they fight this war. Both sides have done horrible things, but there are still good people on both sides, trying to fight without making the whole war more of an atrocity than it already is.
As for Garrosh himself... After reading "The Shattering", I found that I liked who Garrosh had become more than who he was at the start of the book. For me, his Crowning Moment of Awesome - and the point where I actually started to like the guy's style - was the letter he sent to Magatha Grimtotem. I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't read it, but damn... that was not a letter she wanted to get. Bwa ha ha.
Necromann Jan 16th 2011 3:11PM
I'd recommend stonetalen and silverpine if you want to experience some awesome Horde quest lines.
tman76 Jan 16th 2011 3:48PM
And that is part of the problem, most of the best alliance storylines stop and go to the horde side to finish. Silverpine and Stonetalon are good examples. While I do not see any horde stories stopping and going to the alliance to finish.
Sintraedrien Jan 16th 2011 2:27PM
If the mighty Warchief of the Horde claims sole personal authority over it, then he by definition bears the sole personal responsibility for all actions comitted by its weakest and meanest member- power and responsibility are one and the same. It is his sole shame and disgrace, and it is to his blame and dishonor that he did murder innocents. He is not fit to be a leader of cockroaches, or a warchief of dung-beetles.
Yes, Garrosh Hellscream is fully and completely to blame. His hypocrisy is disgusting, and the web of lies he weaves to cover his own incompetence is nauseating. He murders the overlord /he/ promoted for what reason? I submit that the overlord did exactly as Garrosh wanted (though possibly not aloud), but was then sacrificed in a lying attempt to appease the Tauren people politically.
I spit on the Horde.
Garrosh is no Warchief of mine, and I'd sooner ally with the putrid gnomes of blighted Gadgetzan than with the son of Hellscream. I remember what the Horde did to Quel'Thalas.
Sintra E'Drien of the Ebon Blade, né Sindorei (are the Worgen recruiting? I'd go furry)
Sintraedrien Jan 16th 2011 2:32PM
Gadgetzan did I say? I meant Gnomeregan. I'm a silly undead Sindorei.
Sintra E'Drien of the Ebon Blade, né Sindorei (are the Worgen recruiting? I'd go furry)
Eldoron Jan 16th 2011 8:04PM
Could you drop the annoying signature? Thanks