Know Your Lore: Honor, Krom'gar. Never forsake it.

I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever...
"Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
The Stonetalon Mountains, nestled in the heart of western Kalimdor, are one such location that's come under heavy fire from both sides. Formerly home to the Venture Company, the Stonetalon Mountains are now under contention by both sides, in an effort to grab what resources and land are immediately available. For the Alliance, it's a harder fight than previously thought. Not only is the Alliance dealing with Horde forces, they're also dealing with an ancient evil lurking beneath Stonetalon Peak.

What's interesting about Stonetalon Peak isn't just the story -- it's the shift in attitude. It doesn't just serve to highlight what's been going on in the Stonetalon area; it serves to highlight what's going on in the Horde itself. Gone are the days when NPCs quietly beseech you to help heal the Charred Vale. Now as a member of the Horde, players are expected to arm land mines in order to blow up any night elves encroaching on Horde outposts. The shove for supremacy is strong here, just as it was in the snowy hills of Icecrown.
In Icecrown, the Horde forces sought to not only wipe out the Scourge that served the Lich King, but also the Alliance forces, even though the Alliance forces had the same goal in mind: to destroy the Lich King and his army once and for all. The lunacy of the situation didn't occur to the Horde. It was simply a matter of wiping out their enemies, even when those enemies were at their weakest. Especially when those enemies were at their weakest.

Horde scouts reported that the night elves were preparing their own weapons of mass destruction and hiding them within an ancient tree to the north. Since the bomb could not be used on Windshear Hold, it was flown instead to Cliffwalker Post. Cliffwalker Post was a small tauren outpost situated high above Battlescar Valley, where fighting between the Alliance and Horde armies had reached a brutal climax. But upon arrival at Cliffwalker Post, a startling revelation was made by the tauren that called this area their home.
The night elves weren't holding weapons of any kind. In fact, the night elves of the area were young druids in training, and the ancient tree was nothing more than a druid grove called Thal'darah. Druids, both night elf and tauren, studied there together for generations, and there was no reason to suspect that these nature-loving creatures would do anything to destroy the fragile land around them. High Chieftain Cliffwalker tried to convince the Horde General of this, but General Grebo wouldn't hear of it, accusing Cliffwalker of treason -- and so the High Chieftain sent his son Orthus into the valley to speak with the night elves thereand prove that the druids had no weapons of any kind.

Players sent to meet Orthus manage to find the young tauren -- or what remained of him. The glade itself was full of frightened young druids, running in terror with nowhere really to go. Armies of Alliance and Horde surrounded the glade, and the sounds of battle ripped through the air, the little druid glade trapped smack in the middle of it all. Orthus lay dead at the top of the ancient tree along with several night elf bodies. There were no weapons in sight, no obvious signs of foul play, but Orthus' dead hand clutched an insignia. Not an Alliance insignia -- the insignia of a Krom'gar General. Grebo's insignia.
High Chieftain Cliffwalker was furious. His son had been betrayed, murdered by the Horde who supposedly followed an honorable path. He ordered his wife to leave, but she refused to leave her husband's side. After giving the insignia back to General Grebo, High Chieftain Cliffwalker let the general know that his lies had been exposed. Instead of apologizing for his actions, the general called Cliffwalker a coward, spineless and a disgrace to the Horde, and attacked the Chieftain and his wife. Forced to defend themselves, the Cliffwalkers killed General Grebo.

Cliffwalker's wife was the first to fall to Krom'gar's army, the small tents and huts at the outpost set ablaze. And as High Chieftain Cliffwalker watched in horror, Overlord Krom'gar ordered the bomb released to Thal'darah Grove, forcing the chieftain to watch as it detonated and destroyed the ancient tree as well as the few frightened druids that remained behind. Women, children, innocents ... all dead, and a smoking crater was all that remained of the druid's precious grove. And as Overlord Krom'gar gloated over his victorious plans, a newcomer arrived on the scene. Warchief Hellscream.
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief! I... I was carrying out your command!
Garrosh Hellscream says: My command? Was my command to murder innocents, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief... Sir... I...
Garrosh Hellscream says: Am I a murderer, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: No, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Then I ask you again: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Krom'gar begins to cower before Garrosh.
Garrosh Hellscream says: I sent you into Stonetalon Mountains with an army. Your orders were to secure this land for the Horde. Instead, you laid waste to the land. Murdered innocents. Children even... I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever... "Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
Garrosh Hellscream says: Overlord Krom'gar, you have disgraced the Horde. You have brought shame to us as a people. By my right as Warchief, I hereby relieve you of your duty.
Garrosh picks up Krom'gar by the throat and lifts him over the edge of the lift bridge.
Garrosh Hellscream says: YOU ARE DISMISSED.
Garrosh drops Krom'gar off the edge, sending him to his death.
This is one of the pivotal moments of Cataclysm, because it highlights one of those changes that we didn't see in the end of Wrath -- the moment when Garrosh realized that the fighting he encouraged in the Northrend war was no longer an acceptable option, that it simply did not apply in southern Azeroth because there were civilians potentially at risk. It's one thing to be fighting an army that is prepared to fight; it's another thing entirely to attack a defenseless group of druids who not only are doing nothing to provoke an attack but also have no real way of defending themselves. The druids of the glade were not warriors; they were not members of the Alliance army. They were innocents caught in the midst of battle.

It may also very well be why Garrosh's reaction to Overlord Krom'gar's acts was so strong. The death of a tauren by orcish hands, and once again, that death was a dishonorable one -- it was an echo of the shame he felt when he learned that Cairne's death was not an honorable one and that he had murdered someone who couldn't fight back. This time though, it wasn't a treacherous Grimtotem who poisoned the blade and paved the way for his shame -- it was an orc Overlord who had been trusted with the position of command, an orc that Garrosh himself had placed in that position of command. There was no reason for Krom'gar to act the way he did, other than sheer bloodlust. And it is obvious from Garrosh's reaction that mindless bloodlust will not be tolerated.

Which makes the rest of Cataclysm even more interesting. Garrosh is learning, and Garrosh has stated that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated -- and yet that behavior is being acted out in other areas of the world, notably in Silverpine Forest and Hillsbrad Foothills, where the Forsaken have gone wild and ignore the Warchief's wishes. It may be that Garrosh Hellscream will soon discover what kind of strain Thrall was under as Warchief, that a Warchief's eyes cannot watch everything at once. How he chooses to deal with this knowledge is still up in the air; however, I don't think it's likely that we'll see Garrosh willingly give his position to another -- he's far too determined to lead, and lead the right way.
The eyes of Hellscream are upon us, but they aren't the eyes of an orc driven to bloodlust. They are the eyes of a cautious leader, a watchful leader, one who has a very defined line between what is honorable and what is not. Stonetalon remains as a cautionary tale to any who cross that line ... and they will learn in the instant before their death the folly of dishonor and what it means to cross a Hellscream.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
- Garrosh Hellscream
- High Overlord Saurfang
- Sylvanas Windrunner
- Current Horde Politics: the Orcs
- Cairne Bloodhoof
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.Filed under: Lore, Know your Lore






Reader Comments (Page 3 of 6)
Juzelle Jan 16th 2011 2:30PM
This's a pretty excellent article. As a dedicated horde player, the initial news of Thrall stepping down as warchief to be replaced by Garrosh was met on my part somewhere between shock and anger. NOBODY liked Garrosh. He was in many ways initially perceived to be the antithesis of what the horde had come to represent.
And after leveling through the new content on an alt, and playing up through the endgame, I have a newfound respect for the character. He's not nearly as two dimensional as my initial first impression. I mean, he'll never be Thrall, or have Thralls charisma or dashing good looks. But it's not nearly as bad as I expected.
True, he's a bit of a bastard, but a bastard in a way that's good for the Horde. And he's kind of amazing. One need only experience the Horde's entry quest into Twilight Highlands, where he single handedly one-shots a dragon.
He's a character of the times, and the times they are a'changin.
Hamr Jan 16th 2011 2:33PM
Garrosh could do with heeding his own words, he himself acted extremely dishonourably on the journey back from Northrend slaughtering most of the crew and passengers of an Alliance ship that was flying a flag of truce after nearly being sunk in a squall and in Hilsbrad the Forsaken are committing far worse crimes. I am Horde player and this isn't some tirade against Garrosh I just wish Blizzard would continuity in their story telling.
Hamr Jan 16th 2011 2:35PM
have some continuity*
Boobah Jan 16th 2011 3:23PM
I'm not sure what lack of continuity you're implying here. The Forsaken, unsurprisingly, don't report directly to Garrosh or any other orc. They report to Sylvanas, who reports to Garrosh (or his representative.) And when he puts limits on what she may do, she says "Sure!" and then carefully doesn't tell him about doing those things she's not allowed to do.
Eventually, she will be found out. Sylvanas is either counting on being in a strong enough position that Garrosh can't discipline her, or that Garrosh of all people will be pragmatic enough to be more glad for her successes than pissed about how they happened.
Artificial Jan 16th 2011 3:40PM
I suspect you don't actually know what's going on in Hillsbrad, by the way. Assuming you actually meant Hillsbrad (which is a town) and not Hillsbrad Foothills (which is the zone it's located in), you can't exactly accuse even Sylvanas and her people for any crimes being committed there, much less Garrosh, given that it's not under their control.
icepyro Jan 16th 2011 3:59PM
I have never seen Garrosh give quarter to his enemies. This article is about the honor of killing innocents and civilians. As you point out, this is an Alliance ship from Northrend, full of Alliance soldiers. Fair game.
As for Silverpine, by this ideal of honor, giving no quarter but also not slaughtering innocents, raising the dead is the only crime punishable. Using the plague is probably sanctioned. Anyways, Garrosh leaves High Warlord Cromush to watch Sylvanas. He also sends reinforcements so that she doesn't have to raise the dead. He makes it clear he doesn't approve, so he provides alternatives. Given that Cromush is pretty much on the Forsaken side at the end and the others are so incompetent, I doubt he ever hears of any more rising. Granted, I wouldn't admit to raising Godfrey either after that debacle, but still...
Gossamer Jan 16th 2011 4:35PM
I don't really see an alliance ship battered by a storm, beaten, broken and begging for mercy as "fair game"...
icepyro Jan 16th 2011 4:55PM
Truth be told, I don't consider that situation "fair game" either. A flag of truce is still a flag of truce. Although that also never means they move on unmolested as it were.
But the question is about continuity between the honorable Garrosh in Stonetalon and his previous actions against said ship. I'm just saying that in Garrosh's version of honor and his code of ethics, an enemy is an enemy and a soldier is a soldier. They were still Alliance, they were still soldiers, they were still "fair game".
I would like to think he adds more exceptions/rules to this code of honor, but the fact does remain that at the very least, he has remained consistent, or at least that he is learning.
Nonette Jan 16th 2011 8:53PM
Hey, guys, don't be so hasty to downvote Artificial. He's actually correct; Warden Stillwater acts on his own initiative. He even locks up the inspector from the RAS, who was sent on Sylvanas' behalf to make sure the place is up to standard. That same Apothecary is the one who tasks you with trashing the place and destroying the Warden.
Elsewhere in Hillsbrad there's a couple of nasty things going on too, but we have no idea how much of that is truly condoned all the way to the top. How much is again the acts of extremists trying to get away with things outside their mandate?
The only thing Sylvanas has done that she was explicitly forbidden by Garrosh was using the full strength plague on Gilneas. Keep in mind, even using the val'kyr wasn't forbidden. Garrosh only warned her to be careful and expressed his utter distaste; he didn't make a hard decision to ban them.
Don't be too hasty to assume Sylvanas is completely treacherous and cruel. She is certainly driven by hatred and spite, but that doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't have standards. She doesn't mind using the plague because she's objective about it. It looks horrible, but is quickly melting into goo really worse for a victim than, say, slowly bleeding to death from a gut wound? Well, it is if they're hoping to be brought back as Forsaken, but in that case surely most would consider it a blessing. Besides, it was mostly worgen she used it on, who she can't make undead.
So, yeah. Just like this article shows a lot of people have been too hasty about Garrosh, maybe some of you are too hasty about Sylvanas.
Suzaku Jan 17th 2011 12:42AM
Why's Artifical downranked? If you roll a Horde character and travel into Hillsbrad, you'll see he's absolutely correct. Warden Stillwater is a psychopath who rebels against the Forsaken in order to conduct horrific experiments at his labor camp, and he's eventually killed under orders from Sylvanas.
And after unleashing the Forsaken Blight in Gilneas, Sylvanas does indeed comply with Garrosh's orders, as the RAS is forced to develop and uses a "neutered" version of the Blight which is far less effective (almost completely uneffective), resulting in them eventually being driven back out of Gilneas.
Tenken32 Jan 16th 2011 9:33PM
A character's personality changing as a result of conflict as a story progresses? How absurd! (Sarcasam off). Garrosh has won me over. I don't expect him to be a stratigical genious, but I enjoy his violent tendencies and outright hatred of the alliance.
BlindWorg Jan 16th 2011 3:04PM
''The Stonetalon Mountains, nestled in the heart of eastern Kalimdor, are one such location that's come under heavy fire from both sides.''
Pretty sure its on the west side :3
devilsei Jan 16th 2011 3:11PM
http://files.warriornation.net/Sajjy/Wow_Kalimdor.jpg
Aye it is.
icepyro Jan 16th 2011 4:09PM
WTB updated map-wow images. Seriously, anybody know how that was done so it can be updated?
But yes, that is the west side.
Anne Stickney Jan 16th 2011 5:13PM
Little known fact: I am one of those people that has to hold up her hands to differentiate from left and right. (The L hand is the left!) Thank you for the pointer, it's been corrected!
BlindWorg Jan 16th 2011 5:33PM
My pleasure. C:
cidninja Jan 16th 2011 3:06PM
such an awesome questline. i haven't done them all but so far stonetalon is my favorite redone zone.
quit with the garrosh hate, folks.
jealouspirate Jan 16th 2011 3:16PM
I play Horde, but I find this whole situation extremely silly. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Essentially, I see Garrosh saying "Hey! Conquer the Elves NICELY! Don't kill their children, kill their PARENTS and chop down their homes! Then, once the children and grown up and can fight back, we'll kill them. For the Horde!". I mean, really. I'm not sure how Garrosh defines "honor", but I'd like to know. I certainly doubt anyone in the Alliance appreciates their 'honorable' method of conquering.
I prefer the Garrosh that doesn't make excuses. I really like his voice line "Serve the Horde, or be crushed beneath it!" That, right there, I can get behind. It's honest, it's direct. It's what is actually happening. Talking about an honorable conquest of the Night Elves just doesn't make any sense. All they ever wanted was to be left alone in their trees.
jasonkidd1234 Jan 16th 2011 3:26PM
The whole thing is about honor. It doesn't take any honor to kill people who are defenseless.
I don't think the horde is looking to wipe out the alliance completely, they are just trying to "win" the war, I.E the alliance would surrender their land or reach some sort of treaty.
By not killing the children, it's showing that they aren't trying to simply wipe the alliance as a whole out, sending the message that even though they are trying to conquer them, they aren't going to do so by any means (Granted that only would really apply to at most the Night Elves and Dranei, as the Humans are currently being wiped out by the Forsaken who have no interest in owning land, rather just wiping out the alliance alltogether.)
Boobah Jan 16th 2011 3:36PM
Having actually read the article, I'd suggest that he's got plenty of reasons to be pissed at Krom'gar. Y'know, little things like murdering their tauren allies.
I doubt if all Krom'gar'd done was kill off some helpless night elves Garrosh would've cared much, but the orcs (and Garrosh in particular) owe a tremendous debt of honor to the tauren. Krom'gar attacked and killed the tauren not because they were enemies, but because it was politically expedient.
It doesn't help that his bomb wasn't used on the Alliance, but on the Cenarion Circle, a group that (despite an overwhelmingly night elven leadership) has been carefully neutral for the past half-decade at least.