Know Your Lore: Honor, Krom'gar. Never forsake it.

I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever...
"Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
The Stonetalon Mountains, nestled in the heart of western Kalimdor, are one such location that's come under heavy fire from both sides. Formerly home to the Venture Company, the Stonetalon Mountains are now under contention by both sides, in an effort to grab what resources and land are immediately available. For the Alliance, it's a harder fight than previously thought. Not only is the Alliance dealing with Horde forces, they're also dealing with an ancient evil lurking beneath Stonetalon Peak.

What's interesting about Stonetalon Peak isn't just the story -- it's the shift in attitude. It doesn't just serve to highlight what's been going on in the Stonetalon area; it serves to highlight what's going on in the Horde itself. Gone are the days when NPCs quietly beseech you to help heal the Charred Vale. Now as a member of the Horde, players are expected to arm land mines in order to blow up any night elves encroaching on Horde outposts. The shove for supremacy is strong here, just as it was in the snowy hills of Icecrown.
In Icecrown, the Horde forces sought to not only wipe out the Scourge that served the Lich King, but also the Alliance forces, even though the Alliance forces had the same goal in mind: to destroy the Lich King and his army once and for all. The lunacy of the situation didn't occur to the Horde. It was simply a matter of wiping out their enemies, even when those enemies were at their weakest. Especially when those enemies were at their weakest.

Horde scouts reported that the night elves were preparing their own weapons of mass destruction and hiding them within an ancient tree to the north. Since the bomb could not be used on Windshear Hold, it was flown instead to Cliffwalker Post. Cliffwalker Post was a small tauren outpost situated high above Battlescar Valley, where fighting between the Alliance and Horde armies had reached a brutal climax. But upon arrival at Cliffwalker Post, a startling revelation was made by the tauren that called this area their home.
The night elves weren't holding weapons of any kind. In fact, the night elves of the area were young druids in training, and the ancient tree was nothing more than a druid grove called Thal'darah. Druids, both night elf and tauren, studied there together for generations, and there was no reason to suspect that these nature-loving creatures would do anything to destroy the fragile land around them. High Chieftain Cliffwalker tried to convince the Horde General of this, but General Grebo wouldn't hear of it, accusing Cliffwalker of treason -- and so the High Chieftain sent his son Orthus into the valley to speak with the night elves thereand prove that the druids had no weapons of any kind.

Players sent to meet Orthus manage to find the young tauren -- or what remained of him. The glade itself was full of frightened young druids, running in terror with nowhere really to go. Armies of Alliance and Horde surrounded the glade, and the sounds of battle ripped through the air, the little druid glade trapped smack in the middle of it all. Orthus lay dead at the top of the ancient tree along with several night elf bodies. There were no weapons in sight, no obvious signs of foul play, but Orthus' dead hand clutched an insignia. Not an Alliance insignia -- the insignia of a Krom'gar General. Grebo's insignia.
High Chieftain Cliffwalker was furious. His son had been betrayed, murdered by the Horde who supposedly followed an honorable path. He ordered his wife to leave, but she refused to leave her husband's side. After giving the insignia back to General Grebo, High Chieftain Cliffwalker let the general know that his lies had been exposed. Instead of apologizing for his actions, the general called Cliffwalker a coward, spineless and a disgrace to the Horde, and attacked the Chieftain and his wife. Forced to defend themselves, the Cliffwalkers killed General Grebo.

Cliffwalker's wife was the first to fall to Krom'gar's army, the small tents and huts at the outpost set ablaze. And as High Chieftain Cliffwalker watched in horror, Overlord Krom'gar ordered the bomb released to Thal'darah Grove, forcing the chieftain to watch as it detonated and destroyed the ancient tree as well as the few frightened druids that remained behind. Women, children, innocents ... all dead, and a smoking crater was all that remained of the druid's precious grove. And as Overlord Krom'gar gloated over his victorious plans, a newcomer arrived on the scene. Warchief Hellscream.
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief! I... I was carrying out your command!
Garrosh Hellscream says: My command? Was my command to murder innocents, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief... Sir... I...
Garrosh Hellscream says: Am I a murderer, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: No, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Then I ask you again: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Krom'gar begins to cower before Garrosh.
Garrosh Hellscream says: I sent you into Stonetalon Mountains with an army. Your orders were to secure this land for the Horde. Instead, you laid waste to the land. Murdered innocents. Children even... I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde in that time. While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever... "Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... never forsake it."
Garrosh Hellscream says: Overlord Krom'gar, you have disgraced the Horde. You have brought shame to us as a people. By my right as Warchief, I hereby relieve you of your duty.
Garrosh picks up Krom'gar by the throat and lifts him over the edge of the lift bridge.
Garrosh Hellscream says: YOU ARE DISMISSED.
Garrosh drops Krom'gar off the edge, sending him to his death.
This is one of the pivotal moments of Cataclysm, because it highlights one of those changes that we didn't see in the end of Wrath -- the moment when Garrosh realized that the fighting he encouraged in the Northrend war was no longer an acceptable option, that it simply did not apply in southern Azeroth because there were civilians potentially at risk. It's one thing to be fighting an army that is prepared to fight; it's another thing entirely to attack a defenseless group of druids who not only are doing nothing to provoke an attack but also have no real way of defending themselves. The druids of the glade were not warriors; they were not members of the Alliance army. They were innocents caught in the midst of battle.

It may also very well be why Garrosh's reaction to Overlord Krom'gar's acts was so strong. The death of a tauren by orcish hands, and once again, that death was a dishonorable one -- it was an echo of the shame he felt when he learned that Cairne's death was not an honorable one and that he had murdered someone who couldn't fight back. This time though, it wasn't a treacherous Grimtotem who poisoned the blade and paved the way for his shame -- it was an orc Overlord who had been trusted with the position of command, an orc that Garrosh himself had placed in that position of command. There was no reason for Krom'gar to act the way he did, other than sheer bloodlust. And it is obvious from Garrosh's reaction that mindless bloodlust will not be tolerated.

Which makes the rest of Cataclysm even more interesting. Garrosh is learning, and Garrosh has stated that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated -- and yet that behavior is being acted out in other areas of the world, notably in Silverpine Forest and Hillsbrad Foothills, where the Forsaken have gone wild and ignore the Warchief's wishes. It may be that Garrosh Hellscream will soon discover what kind of strain Thrall was under as Warchief, that a Warchief's eyes cannot watch everything at once. How he chooses to deal with this knowledge is still up in the air; however, I don't think it's likely that we'll see Garrosh willingly give his position to another -- he's far too determined to lead, and lead the right way.
The eyes of Hellscream are upon us, but they aren't the eyes of an orc driven to bloodlust. They are the eyes of a cautious leader, a watchful leader, one who has a very defined line between what is honorable and what is not. Stonetalon remains as a cautionary tale to any who cross that line ... and they will learn in the instant before their death the folly of dishonor and what it means to cross a Hellscream.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
- Garrosh Hellscream
- High Overlord Saurfang
- Sylvanas Windrunner
- Current Horde Politics: the Orcs
- Cairne Bloodhoof
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.Filed under: Lore, Know your Lore






Reader Comments (Page 6 of 6)
ronso12 Jan 17th 2011 12:39AM
Funny, cause I've seen it another way completely. I read the shattering, I did the questlines in cata, and at the end of it all, all I saw in character was a complete tool of a character, being manufactured for the people crying for WAR in WARcraft, nevermind the story.
His character development is terrible, and his reason for becoming warchief is shallow. This whole thing of him needing to apparently prove himself as a leader, even though he's warchief Now, is a massive flaw to the whole thing, because every other faction leader I can think of so far has had a genuine reason to be a leader, either by the death of there superior, or forced into it to protect there people. Garrosh had none of this, and now he's meant to somehow learn how to be a leader when already the leader of one of the most powerful faction on azeroth? Its bullcrap.
If I hadn't joined and played as the horde for the last 5 years, at this moment there honestly would be nothing to make me want to join it now, because the most intresting thing that made me want to play horde was that feeling of playing a faction overcoming its past mistakes. At of cata, those mistakes have come full circle, and Garrosh is one of the major reasons for it.
And one other thing, remembering Metzen's claim that Garrosh was Thralls foil and simply used as part of a much larger story? And saying to be fixated on Garrosh? In the last 5 months all they've droned out is nothing BUT Garrosh and forcing people to pay attention to him. So honestly, talking out your arsh there Metzen.
Nick Jan 17th 2011 2:10AM
In the sort story recently released on the WoW site ( forgot the name) It details Garrosh first trip to Orgrimmar, while also detailing thralls reaction to his work in Northrend. When Garrosh goes to Orgrimmar he is seen as a symbol, a symbol of hope, for he has the brown skin. On top of that his father was a Hero of the Orchish people, yes we know he drank the blood first yada yada, but he is still a revered warrior in Orcish recent history. Garrosh kicked ass in Northrend, this is according to lore, he won the hearts of the Orcish people and he is leading them as a noble ORC. Now orcs are not humans, they dont live by the same code. Orcs live by honor in combat, and personal honor. I'm all for the Horde that is on the horizon, we will crush the Alliance, and we will do it with HONOR. LOKTAR OGAR BROTHERS
Ickabob Jan 17th 2011 12:28AM
The fact that people are willing to get into arguments over the lore of a game (or any other media) is testament to the quality of the storytelling and it's authors. If this game's story was just 'fluff' we probably wouldn't even be reading an article like this.
pandaba Jan 17th 2011 1:34AM
I hope the lore will go further into the dark side of the horde, especially orcs, since any society that embraces "honor" as a core ideal tend to be rather nasty and dangerous places because of the ways the "dishonorable" or those who are "beneath honor" are treated. If someone insults your honor, you have to respond and usually violently. It's not just war time, but everyday life as well which is dangerous. For example, the dueling & lynching culture of the antebellum American South, which was a place absurdly obsessed with honor.
Not to mention honor usually goes hand-in-hand with a cheap sentimentality and unthinking patriotism which paradoxically leads to some nasty abuses when the enemy is encountered or the underclass must be dealt with. For a WoW-based version of this, I'd love to see the orc peons get their own version of Nat Turner, or for one of the orc warriors decide that he's going to be a green-skinned reincarnation of John Brown, and then let's see how far honor and honorable treatment goes when Garrosh has to deal with a full-fledged serf insurrection.
Ehlmaris Jan 17th 2011 5:01AM
You know, I really used to hate Garrosh. He was a bloodthirsty savage in Northrend, lacking any respect or honor. Hell, aside from my friends playing Alliance, Garrosh is part of the reason I switched sides away from the Horde. While I had my reservations about the Alliance, most of them centered on Varian - a character who, as we saw in ICC after Deathbringer was brought some death, is capable of setting aside the conflict for a moment to be honorable. That moment, for me, was Varian's redemption.
This is Garrosh's. He's realized that there are some things you just don't do, even in war. The Alliance/Horde war is fought not so soldiers can be glorified, so kings can be conquerors; it is fought so that civilians can continue to be civilians, so they won't have to live in fear. While many have willingly placed their lives on the line by joining the military, they do this so that others (hopefully) won't have to. Garrosh knows this, and shows us in Stonetalon that there is a very distinct line separating soldier from civilian, and the war cannot be allowed to cross that line. There is no honor in it. Maybe because civilians don't have the means to defend themselves, maybe because they never agreed to put their lives on the line. The reasoning behind his decision isn't important, I feel, because it was the right decision.
Sityl Jan 17th 2011 2:04PM
Wow, I just rolled a goblin warlock, and did this quest literally 3 hours ago, and then I logged on wow insider and you were talking about it!
I was sick to my stomach, thinking that the quest would end with Krom'Gar killing Cliffwalker, with me getting rewarded for the senseless slaughter of a man who was just defending himself.
I was SO relieved to see Garrosh port in, though I was still saddened to see that Masha was slain.
phoenixxx73 Jan 19th 2011 12:32AM
I've been going back through the KYL articles (particularly the dragon lore) and I couldnt help but notice that some of these articles are PRE-WRATH!!
Could we possibly get these articles updated? or a wuick one paragraph shout at the top of an article stating the intentions of the authors whether or not to do these updates?
Awesome article archive, but needs to be kept up to date.
NielsdeJONG Jan 19th 2011 11:57AM
No offence to the writer of this article, but this reeks of Horde fangirlism
It's good that he has a sence of honour, but does
He really think that firebombimg Astranaar wouldn't cost innocent lives?
And please don't get me started on Taurajo, had Hellscream not invaded Ashenvale then there would have been no reason to attack it.
Looking forward to the point where the Alliance retailiates in the storyline :) No matter how honourable a person is, an invader is still an invader.
Garfuncle Feb 1st 2011 12:05AM
He's still a warmonger. Gilneas, the redoubled efforts in Ashenvale...
Hell, he has an entire speech in the Twilight Highlands proclaiming that the Horde will rule the ENTIRE world.
I don't know about you, but a proclamation of world domination sounds a tad aggressive to me. Varian has acted defensively. He has tried multiple times for peace while every time Garrosh has opened his mouth he has declared that the Horde should take what they want and conquer the "pathetic" Alliance in the process.
Oh, and in before Barrens. Sorry Horde, but the Alliance isn't playing nice anymore. You've gotten away with invading Alliance lands since launch, and you've gotten away with invading more recently. Barrens is justified payback for Ashenvale, Hillsbrad, Arathi, Hinterlands, Gilneas, and so on.
Deal with it. While your not black/white villains you've still been beaned with the villain bat.
lionelmessi Feb 21st 2011 9:12AM
Are you invariably sure of that ? A http://www.professeurpoker/ sure of that ?