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1-26-2011 @ 5:56PM
Wall of Text Incoming!I have a rather crackpot theory about Grim Batol, though Grim Batol is just a piece of the theory. I've been waiting for an appropriate KYL post for me to share it. If you're not a fan of TFH posts then please, feel free to ignore this very long post. If you are a fan of TFH, enjoy.My theory wraps around Deathwing, the Dark Iron Dwarves, and the Old Gods and ties them all together in a very twisted, but solid knot. And, believe it or not, the Dark Iron Dwarves come out as the innocent victims of this relationship. I will state a list of facts, and then tie them together.Fact 1: The events that ended the War of the Three Hammers. We all know the story, the Dark Irons gambit and ultimate annihilation as an organized society, brought down by one foolish dwarf's dying act. This later ended in the Dark Irons being enslaved. In short, Thaurissan's summoning of Ragnaros. Fact 2: Grim Batol was cleared out because of Modgud's curse.Fact 3: Thaurissan and Modgud were the supreme leaders of the Dark Iron Clan. Just establishing this for a later point.Fact 4: Grim Batol was used as the launching pad for the Twilight Dragonflight. Fact 5: The Twilight Dragonflight is one of the most powerful weapons used by the Twilight's Hammer, and through them, the Old Gods.Fact 6: The Twilight Dragonflight is a creation of Deathwing. Fact 7: Sorry to reference this for the Knack-haters, but in Night of the Dragon, the Skardyn, a group of former Dark Iron dragon-like dwarves cursed into the shape by Modgud's curse that cleared out Grim Batol, assist the black dragons in their work in Grim Batol.Fact 8: A nation is only as strong as its leaders are. It will follow them to the end.Fact 9: Due to the fact the Wildhammer did not inhabit Grim Batol anymore, it was open for first the Dragonmaw, then later the Twilight's Hammer.Fact 10: Deathwing summons Ragnaros into Azeroth at Hyjal.Fact 11: Deathwing is excellent at manipulating entire governments. See Day of the Dragon for more info.Fact 12: Deathwing's corruption was brought on by the Old Gods. Fact 13: Deathwing is one of the most powerful beings in World of Warcraft. Fact 14: Thaurissan and Modgud were only dwarven sorcerers.Fact 15: Deathwing is a servant of the Old Gods.Let’s start with the Dark Iron Leaders, Thaurissan and Modgud. Both admittedly powerful sorcerers, they both have greatly furthered the plans of the Old Gods. She cleared out Grim Batol, leading to its current occupation of the forces of the Old Gods. He summoned Ragnaros, one of the Old Gods’ most powerful lieutenants. They served also Deathwing’s plans as well, creating a place for him to start his Twilight Dragonflight. All of these things had tremendous consequences for the future. And I ask the question. How is it possible for a single dwarf sorcerer to have the knowledge to summon the most powerful Elemental Lord of Azeroth into existence? How does a single dwarf sorcerer have the knowledge to cast such a potent curse that it cleans out an entire city and turns the remaining inhabitants into dragonlike creatures that just HAPPEN to help its future inhabitants?In my theory, they don’t…until they meet someone.Deathwing is undoubtedly serving the Old Gods’ wishes at the moment. He summoned Ragnaros into Hyjal. Pause – who summoned Ragnaros before? Thaurissan of the Dark Iron Clan.Deathwing’s servants in Grim Batol were lucky enough to have Skardyn slaves and a place to carry out their plans. Pause – who allowed this happen? Modgud of the Dark Iron Clan.Now for the crackpot theory…Deathwing was behind the actions of the leaders of the Dark Iron Clan during the years after the first War of the Three Hammers. I honestly do not know if he would’ve appeared to them as an advisor or as a dragon, this is irrelevant. He convinced them to attack both clans at the same time, a suicidal mission if one considered that the Bronzebeards had already defeated them once and they had to siege two cities at once. A sane person doesn’t throw his or her life away like that. He also taught them his secrets while they put his plans into action. He taught Modgud the curses of the dragons, forbidden ones like the one on Grim Batol that turns dwarfs into dragon creatures. He taught Thaurissan the secrets of the Old Gods, like how to summon their Elemental Lords into the Material Plane. He took over the Dark Iron Clan and used it for his and the Old Gods’ gain. The Dark Iron Clan, just like any organized group, followed their leaders to the end. To them, assaulting Ironforge would be reclaiming their birthright, not a matter of greed. Attacking the Wildhammer? A means of self-defense, not an immoral act. It's not difficult to convince your own people what is good and what is evil. The entire Clan was unknowingly a weapon of Deathwing’s. The Dark Iron people, as a whole, were not evil as now perceived, rather mislead by a pair of power-hungry leaders who doomed their own people. Deathwing managed to place himself in a terrific position through Thaurissan and Modgud. He got Ragnaros into Azeroth, secured a base for the Old Gods, found a place for future plans for his Twilight Dragonflight, and all he had to do was whisper in the ears of a couple dwarves. Even if he had not done this, the two dwarves did more for Deathwing and the Old Gods than most of their minions. So where does this leave the Dark Iron Dwarves? Without Deathwing interfering, perhaps as a stalwart supporter of the Alliance. Perhaps they could’ve settled their differences as the Wildhammer had. Furthermore, during the First, Second, and Third Wars, instead of having one strong dwarven clan and a weaker clan, there could’ve been three powerful dwarven clans. The orcs would’ve been wiped out much quicker in the Second War. The Dragonmaw would’ve had nowhere to hide due to Grim Batol being taken. And our in our present? Who knows…Deathwing probably would’ve found somewhere else to launch the Twilight Dragonflight, but Grim Batol could’ve been a massive foothold for the forces of good in the Twilight Highlands. The possibilities are too many to write about.TL; DR VersionThe Dark Iron Clan could’ve been a great ally for the world, but Deathwing corrupted the leaders of the Dark Iron Clan, sending the clan on a suicidal mission that destroyed it while bringing about the Old Gods plans and Deathwing’s own plans in Grim Batol.If you read through all of this, you are a crazy person indeed. But thank you for your time.Otherwise, this is pure Tinfoil Hat so don't take it TOO seriously.
1-26-2011 @ 11:40PM
That was fantastic. Thank you for that.
1-27-2011 @ 4:01AM
Awsome stuff... and it fits in very well with everything we already know. Thanks for sharing mate :D
1-27-2011 @ 5:16AM
Hey, if you wrote all that then you are indeed also crazy. :DBut really, that was very awesome and well put. I want this brought up with Chris Metzen ASAP, in a personal sort of way. Like, in-your-face-with-a-camera-and-mic sort of way. I want to see what he says.I bet I can already guess his response though. ".... So, you're the wizard that does all that stuff?"
1-27-2011 @ 8:14AM
Some excellent ideas, they fit with the story AND make sense. Reading your wall of text was a pleasure :P
1-27-2011 @ 2:07PM
Fantastic, Thank yous go to both Rossi and Ganatola =)Great Read(s), made my morning that much more informative haha
1-27-2011 @ 3:44PM
Edit: I meant to place this in Reply the 1st time and not start a new block. D'oh!This dose not really address the main thrust of your point but in vanilla it was pretty obvious that the Black dragonflight (and what was left of the old Orcish horde from Warcraft II) opposed and fought with the dark irons and servants of Ragnaros.This leads me to believe that the old gods/ twilight's hammer alliance with Deathwing and his dragons is a recent affair. Also I was under the assumption that Deathwing and the Old gods were more using each other for short term gain as opposed to having a faithful master servent relationship. Just because they corrupted Deathwing dose not mean they can control him.Also In Blackrock depths it is pretty clear that Thaurissian and had the help of least 7 other powerful dwarven mages of 1 stripe or another helped him summon ragnaros so its not like he did it alone.None of this means that Deathwing or someone else didn't plant the ideas in their head, or give them pointers on the summoning ritual. Though sometimes you can benefit immensely from some one the actions of some one else, without starting some massive conspiracy to get them to act that way. Sometimes you jut luck out.
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