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1-30-2011 @ 8:13AM
I really enjoy PUGing. I think they get a bad rap too much. My guild hates on PUGs all the time which gets a bit annoying as I'm on at a time when most my guild is not so PUGs are my only option. The start of Cata was a bit shaky but once most people learned the fights, my PUG experiences have been great. There's something really fun about 5 random strangers getting together and kicking ass!
1-30-2011 @ 10:33AM
^^ This!I too have many guildies and friends that flat out refuse to PUG because they 'hate' them and think it's nothing but a painful experience of people failing and being jackasses over and over. While in reality.. most of the PUGs I run have nice skilled people and run much much smoother than the guild/friend runs I do! I have even begun to dread the run with friends versus the PUG runs.. they are not bad players at all, but sometimes they just have a few things that make a run so much longer. And the thing with fried runs is.. you stick with them. So this run might just take up your entire evening when it goes bad. In a PUG, when people keep screwing up, they usually leave or get kicked. Or I can leave myself and find a new one. This makes it all much faster if you happen to land in a group that is struggling a lot. I very rarely kick or leave myself, but still the option is there. I see my friends in Deadmines for three hours, and then am glad I finished it in 1/3 of the time with a nice skilled group of random uber strangers :)Another thing PUGs have going for them, is that you meet all kinds of people that play in different ways. Especially on my healer, I've learned a LOT from this; I learned cope with healing the super speeding tank, the dps that tries to die every pull, learned to see which groups can go fast or need to be slow, see different ways of pulling packs of mobs or killing bosses... it is nice to see things from so many different perspectives as opposed to your guild/friend group which might do things the same way they always do.And the most important thing about PUGs: your mindset. Stay happy, it's just a game, learn to laugh about things that go wrong! Often when players have a difficult time, it pays to just help them and be nice instead of raging and votekick. I've had many groups where people learned new things, and it's awesome to see! When you have people making not so nice comments, counter with sarcasm. If you have the asshat of all asshats in your group... learn to toy with them :P Believe me, it's much more fun to keep misdirecting to them or something than just kicking the guy ^_*All in all: I love PUGs! They're really not so bad as everyone thinks, far from it :)
1-30-2011 @ 11:05AM
This is how I feel too. Pugs aren't always going to be the easiest of times and there's even days when running with a bad pug makes me want to bang my head against a wall, but I try to keep a positive attitude and I'm willing to push through a lot just so a group can run successfully. I think going into a group with a positive attitude is the most important thing; if you think a group is going to fail, it probably will. If you're willing to give it a shot, it will go better overall.
1-30-2011 @ 11:59AM
I so agree with everything you all have said! My guildies are afraid of PUGS and most distressingly, are afraid of heroics...so I have to PUG all the time. What have I learned from this? PUGs almost always go better than the guild run. Which is weird and sad.
1-30-2011 @ 1:15PM
that's funny because I'm the exact opposite. I hate guilds. usually when I get in a group with all guildies I TK them. being a healer I don't have to wait that longalso I've been in some really bad guild runs before that you would otherwise assume was a full pug
1-30-2011 @ 1:41PM
People remember bad experiences over god ones. Thats the real issue here.
1-30-2011 @ 2:12PM
I've just had a heroic Throne of the Tides pug where we died a total of 5 times, from tanks not waiting for CC, pulling too much, generally failing etc. This is all before the first boss.Then we die to the boss.Then the group ENTIRELY disbands (this has also happening in BRC before the *final* boss!), which means that I'm kicked to the bottom of the queue again. I hate cata pugs and the DF is only good for grinding ez-mode heroics, not for hard heroics which can have gear ninjas and vote-kick bullying.
1-30-2011 @ 5:22PM
In all honesty, I've been enjoying PUGing. All it takes is communication, and 9 times out of 10 people listen and work together, leading to little or no wiping.Reading forums and comments, it just seems like people would much rather get angry at others than take a few minutes out of their time to explain how things work....and then they complain about how horrible PUGing is afterwards. It's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
1-31-2011 @ 11:05AM
I've been doing a fair number of PUGs with the dungeon finder because my play time outside of raids has been inconsistent and is often at times there aren't many other people on in my guild. Most of them have gone pretty well and haven't been a source of major headache or problems. Some are better than other but I have only quit on or kicked people in a couple cases.Now obviously some roles have more influence on the overall result of the dungeon than others but I suspect that if people are constantly getting horrible groups they need to look at what part of the cause of bad groups falls on them. After all, the only person that is in every group you get is you.
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