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2-01-2011 @ 8:07AM
Killing Garr in MC with all his adds up.
2-01-2011 @ 8:43AM
off-topic: Love you icon there Sorphius!
2-01-2011 @ 9:03AM
I agree with you entirely, Stella. Achievements *should* be relevant. Much as professional athletes can't compete in high school sports, you should be able to run around at lvl 85 picking up achievements you missed out on years ago.That having been said, if there had been achievements in the game during vanilla I think killing Garr with all his adds up would have been a good one. Maybe also one for killing Ragnaros before his sons came out to play.
2-01-2011 @ 9:50AM
/agree with Elwoods!But on-topic: I agree things should be relevant (like the World Event achieves-- gotta do them while the event's going on) BUT going back to do, for example, MC past its relevance is an achievement in a way, too. Some people couldn't be bothered with going back and doing old raids because they're just that: OLD. No relevant loot, nothing special, nada zip zilch, I wave my hand at Magmadar and /yawn, he falls down, etc.For some people, the incentive of getting an achievement is enough. A lot of people, like me, have never seen the content and *want* to just experience it, even if it's a watered down version of it. I did it at 70 with some friends: It was still challenging to a degree and, for people who were now used to flying around Outland, we had to find the nearest flight path and then ride there by ground. Plus, there's attunement! So what was originally one run and maybe two hours of romping through fiery doom is now two runs and three or more hours of romping through rocky fiery doom plus fiery doom.If anything, the achievement that pops up at the end of the run, regardless of level, is a hat tip to those who have the dedication to go there past its relevance, whatever their reasons (or lack of reasons) might be for doing it. As much as I would like to have been there at the opening of Ahn'Qiraj or the Dark Portal on BC launch, I wasn't and I don't have that achievement. I can say hi to AQ and Blasted Lands as much as I like and still won't get it. An idea that I'm sure has been brought up many times by many people is to have a tiered system for achievements like this-- e.g. an achievement for doing it at level 60 (or below 70) with an appropriate group of peers as opposed to an achievement for just doing the instance at a higher level.
2-01-2011 @ 9:55AM
@Stella,I see where you're coming from and I partially agree with you. Doing something like killing Garr at 85 while his adds are up is laughably easy at 85. It's almost more challenging to get people together to do the old world raids than the raid itself.Regarding Loremaster and doing old zones at a high level I do disagree. See, doing older quests at level 85, while no doubt faster than had you done them at the correct level, is still a massive investment in time and energy. It's not something you can sit down and knock out in a day. You still have to content with RNG, Other people questing, terrible spawn rates, full bags, etc... On top of that, you're taking away time you'd normally have spent working on your end game content. The achievement has a different meaning at high levels. It's a massive time sink that not very many people are willing to invest in. I believe it is completely worthy of being an achievement no matter when you decide to do it.
2-01-2011 @ 10:47AM
Re. Achievements you outlevel. One thing to bear in mind is that achievements are date-stamped. My main has achievements for TBC raids that were clearly picked up during Cataclysm (when a bunch of guildies went on a glorious all-night romp through old content and had bags of fun doing it). Anyone who cares about these things can see in an instant that I didn't kill Lady Vash at level 70. By the same token, my Kingslayer title is date-stamped within Wotlk: people can see it and know that I did that content 'at level'. This allows the achievement system to serve two functions. It is, as another poster pointed out, a checklist of things you've done and places you've been on a character. That's what Lady Vash is for me. It's also, perhaps to a more limited extent, a list of some of the challenging things you've managed on a character. That's what Arthas is for me. By including the datestamps Blizzard do provide some solace for those whose knickers are prone to twist about such things.@Stella: I'd also like to join the chorus of people pointing out how illogical your first comment is. So, you know, consider that done.
2-01-2011 @ 2:36PM
> e.g. an achievement for doing it at level 60 (or below 70) with an appropriate group of peers as opposed to an achievement for just doing the instance at a higher level.Given that you can't de-level in WoW, you are essentially inventing feats of strength. For instance, to do a "level appropriate MC", you would have had to gather a group of 40 people, all on your server, and all who either didn't have BC and above, or who halted XP gain at level 60. And then, they'd have to defeat Raggy. I'd call it a feat of strength just to get the raid group.Look, for instance, at "A Tribute to Dedicated Insanity" for an example of a Feat along the lines you're thinking of. It is in the "no longer possible" Feat category, though, instead of the "freaking hard" category.Of course, you realize that you will have locked out everyone who'd already passed level 60 from getting that Feat. The amount of QQ that would generate would be enormous.
2-01-2011 @ 2:50PM
@Eirik: Yeah, I know... it was purely hypothetical and far from perfect. It was just my lame attempt at trying to find a happy medium/compromise =/
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